Lot of crap in this thread so I'll just stick to the original question then get out quick (and take a shower or something)

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
How is it that Hezbollah using crude unguided weapons is striking Military targets at a much higher ratio then civilian targets?

Simple.
Hezbollah is hiding amongst the civilian population using them as shields and to gain support (when they die)
Israel's military is not hiding among the civilian population

Originally posted by stumason
Guess the pro-Israel guys ignore the call for the full withdrawal of ALL foreign forces from Lebanon in UNSC res 1559. I don't suppose this includes Israel at all, no? Sheba farms? Regular incursions by both Air and Land forces into Lebanon by Israel?

Israel withdrew from all Lebanese territory on May 22, 2000 in accordance to UN resolution 425 and the UN certified the Israeli pullout as complete.

Sheba farms was under Syrian Control when it was captured by Israel in the 1967 war from Syria. The claim of Lebanese sovereignty over Sheba Farms has not been acknowledged by the UN. More maps and other historical documents indicate Syrian sovereignty of the Sheba Farms area than Lebanese claims to it.

Originally posted by pavil
Israel withdrew from all Lebanese territory on May 22, 2000 in accordance to UN resolution 425 and the UN certified the Israeli pullout as complete.

Sheba farms was under Syrian Control when it was captured by Israel in the 1967 war from Syria. The claim of Lebanese sovereignty over Sheba Farms has not been acknowledged by the UN. More maps and other historical documents indicate Syrian sovereignty of the Sheba Farms area than Lebanese claims to it.

Even Syria says it's Lebanese, so why not give it back? I forgot, it's rather productive land, isn't it? Hmmm...

Thats ignoring the regular incursions into Lebanese territory by the Israelis since 2000. Not to mention every other country that borders Israel. They regularly flout international law whilst hiding behind it at the same time.

All this bs about Hizbollah hiding behind civilians is bogus. Every video I've seen shows rockets being fired in forested areas. There was maybe 2 that were in built up areas. It is a country with Cities, towns and villages after all and the Israelis are attacking the cities. Its just an excuse for Israelis to kill innocent civilians is all. They chose to make this the big deal that it is when they chose to collectively punish the entire population of South Lebanon. Lets not lose sight of this. It was easier for them to have stood and dealt with the issues then run and hide behind a fighter jet and tanks because they didn't want to return what they took. Land and human lives. Unfortunately its all inevitable that in the end they will anyway so its kind of dumb to even keep holding onto it and continuing to develop illegally upon land that isn't theres to begin with.

Shebaa farms was part of Lebanon, when 2 syrians killed a policeman many years ago it was considered some type of takeover. Its hardly Israeli land.

Originally posted by stumason
Even Syria says it's Lebanese, so why not give it back?

Syria has given lip service to Lebanon's claim. Please show me any legal document that transfers Syrian soverignity of Sheeba Farms to the Lebanese as the UN has requested. Hint , there isn't any, and Syria has not formally transfered it to Lebanon.

Face facts, while Lebanon might have "claims" on the land which by the way, most historical documents disprove, for the past 50 or so years it has been under the control of either Syria or Israel without much arguement from Lebanon. Only since 2000, when Israel pulled out of Lebanon, did the Lebanese and Syrians start the "Sheeba Farms is really Lebanese territory bit". Even then the UN has acknowleded Syrian sovereignty and Syria has declined to take the proper legal steps to cede it to Lebanaon. Every historical map that they UN has (16) except for one deemed a forgery, clearly show the Sheeba Farms area on the Syrian side of the border, including some Lebanese government maps.

And yes, Israel is still in control of Sheeba Farms since 1967 and has mounted cross border strikes into Lebanon, primarly at Hezbollah/Palestinian targets.

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