Mars Alien And Government Bases PICS!!!!

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

Has all the information anyone could ever ask for. If you want to see proof of deliberate and extensive tampering of official Mars imagery you need go no further. If anyone here dares continue saying that the blacked out areas are ' just missing photo's or errors' i am not going to make the next response so general or civil.

I have done a great deal of research on this so in fact just ignore my last warning; how else will i get to use all these hundreds of links and quotes?

Thanks.

Stellar

hmm i didnt see anythin else strange on mars, like the pics of mars

If you look really closely you can see and Iraqi chemical weapons plant. (possibley a rock)

Jensy

i didnt see much on those pictures except craters with shadows, and oddly shaped rocks. But by no means does that exclude all the other mars anamoly pictures. the pyramids near cydonia are in my opinion clearly man made pyramids. with that being said there is a high possibility that the mars earth connection is actually true. but in what way? this is the fun part.

Originally posted by Murcielago
oh, BTW, the Black square area, isn't "blacked-out" it just means they havn't taken a picture there, satellites get there high detailed images by taking a BUNCH of small close-up images, and then Nasa gets the pain staking task of making a mosiac of it (aka: puting the the images together in their correct location).

I know that those kinds of images (blacked out areas) happen with the rover images. I don't think they are taking little images and pasteing them together with the rovers. It would make no sense to get images only to leave the center of the image out. Does it?

Originally posted by TeH PwNeR
i mean they did find microbes on mars, but no life.

Do we know that for sure? When Mars lost it's atmosphere life could have gone underground. I personally believe that some came to Earth.

Originally posted by mayatlantean 1
with that being said there is a high possibility that the mars earth connection is actually true. but in what way? this is the fun part.

When Mars was no longer habitable they fled, some possibly underground but some also came to Earth. Of course it is just my theory, but it is based on the facts that there are structures that resembles pyramids on Mars and there are pyramids here on Earth.

I believe that the civilization that fled Mars are the Atlanteans that Plato spoke of.

i dont believe that the atlanteans are the civilization that fled mars to earth for the simple fact that atlantis seems to fall in the timeline of being to recent in geological time. if you notice some of the pyramids in mars and the planet itself seems to be ancient as in hundred thousands of years not tens of thousands. a theory i have read in other websites of it being the remains of lucifer and his rebelling angels or at least tied to that epoch in some way.

[edit on 11-8-2006 by mayatlantean 1]

Talk about grasping at straws - you say your 'sure there governemtn buildings' based on that pic? Made me giggle anyway.....

Originally posted by StellarX
Yes they did and you really need to actually make a argument against what is known if you want to continue telling people something that is not accurate. Our best information indicates current life on Mars.

Well, from the very same link you provided I read this...

Another Viking experiment, a gas chromatograph mass-spectrometer (GCMS), built to identify organic molecules on Mars, found none to analyze.

That find threw the LR results into question. A default position adopted by a majority of scientists was that no life was present at the Viking sites. What the LR device yielded, said many of those assessing the Viking data, was a false positive result.

Cause of the result, and still widely held: A chemical practical joker is in the soil, some sort of oxidant that fooled the LR experiment.

Over the years, that verdict has been touted by many as the most likely rationale for the LR results. Moreover, that oxidant is nasty to life. It destroys organic materials, causing the surface of Mars to be a sterile, lifeless domain. Therefore, no wonder the GCMS found Mars absent of organic materials.

This tidy explanation has served well to derail talk that the Viking Landers detected life.

My emphasis, of course.

Originally posted by Stari
I don't think they are taking little images and pasteing them together with the rovers. It would make no sense to get images only to leave the center of the image out. Does it?

Actually, it would make the most sense. For example, find a brick wall and take a picture of it. Now, zoom the camera to 20X (optical) zoom and take pictures of the same area of the wall. Now piece all of those images together. Which has more detail of the brick wall?

Either they didn't need what was in the center of the image, the data was corrupted, or the CCD was burned out. Also, keep in mind that the rovers (as well as other probes and telescopes) are primarily scientific instruments. Sure, they take pretty fascinating images, but that isn't thier true function. If they don't need data froma certain spot then they just won't waste thier time and money with it, especially when they're trying to accomplish so much with such little time and money.

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Well, from the very same link you provided I read this...

Which is why your not supposed to read only ONE link and in fact do your very own research.

Maybe Mars even has life today. The evidence sent back from Mars by two Viking Landers in 1976 and 1977 was not clearcut (6). In fact, NASA's first press release about the Viking tests announced that the results were positive. The "Labelled Release" (LR) experiments had given positive results. But after lengthy discussions in which Carl Sagan participated, NASA reversed its position, mainly because another experiment detected no organics in the soil. Yet Gilbert V. Levin, the principal designer of the LR experiment, still believes the tests pointed to life on Mars (7). When the same two experiments were run on soil from Antarctica, the same conflicting results were obtained (LR - positive; organics - negative.) Soil from Antarctica definitely contains life. The test for organics was negative because it is far less sensitive than the LR experiment. The same problem could have caused the organics test on Mars to give a false negative.

www.panspermia.org...

My emphasis, of course.

You say emphasis and i say ignorance( on this issue). Just my opinion of course....

Actually, it would make the most sense. For example, find a brick wall and take a picture of it. Now, zoom the camera to 20X (optical) zoom and take pictures of the same area of the wall. Now piece all of those images together. Which has more detail of the brick wall?

Good excuse but it's not how the MGS camera works.

Either they didn't need what was in the center of the image, the data was corrupted, or the CCD was burned out.

No room for the possibility that they are actively trying to hide what the picture wanted to tell us?

Also, keep in mind that the rovers (as well as other probes and telescopes) are primarily scientific instruments. Sure, they take pretty fascinating images, but that isn't thier true function.[./quote]

Who cares what their true function is when they CAN ( and obviously should) take pictures that are not pointlessly and hopelessly distorted when so required by their 'oversears'.? It's OUR money ( well at least American/Russia/European) and they have not business deciding that the camera's should be 30 years out of date - 'off -the- shelf- 'crap' that can't do what every other camera and optical instrument ( even 10 inch home 'scopes' with digital camera's attached) on earth can apparently manage. I can stand that you think i'm stupid but everyone on the planet?

If they don't need data froma certain spot then they just won't waste thier time and money with it, especially when they're trying to accomplish so much with such little time and money.

It's OUR time and OUR money and they never asked us how we wanted to explore this solar system. Get off the high horse and stop defending people who need no help in wasting our time and money.

I am still waiting for a serious defense, on your part, and quoting from the sources i provide is not going to serve your agenda and is just generally insulting my intelligence since it assumes that i can not even spot contradictions in my own material.

Stellar

Actually, it would make the most sense. For example, find a brick wall and take a picture of it. Now, zoom the camera to 20X (optical) zoom and take pictures of the same area of the wall. Now piece all of those images together. Which has more detail of the brick wall?

Good excuse but it's not how the MGS camera works.

Well then tell us how it works. Don´t just say 'thats not how it works', one might think you don't know at all either. And last I checked, that´s how all satellite imaging systems work. They photograph the planet in parts and put the images together. Unfortunately I´m not at home right now or i´d go look in worldwind for an example, but when looking at Mars in that program, there are tons of areas, big and small that are missing some high res images. I doubt very much that it has to do with censoring.

Either they didn't need what was in the center of the image, the data was corrupted, or the CCD was burned out.

No room for the possibility that they are actively trying to hide what the picture wanted to tell us?

I guess it could be, but why do it so blatantly? I thought NASA always photoshoped there images (or so lots of CT's claim anyway). The odds of it being corrupted data or just a spot that hasn't or didn't need to be imaged are much more likely than something being censored. Think about it, if NASA wanted to hide something, the best way to do it is to not release the image.

It would also be nice to see the original images shown in the first post insted of a small collage.

Originally posted by Stari

Originally posted by TeH PwNeR
i mean they did find microbes on mars, but no life.

Do we know that for sure? When Mars lost it's atmosphere life could have gone underground. I personally believe that some came to Earth.

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That is a posibility that i will have to agree on, but many people arent willing to recieve that information. its like a firewall, it allows some information in, but other ones of non importance will get filtered out, or are blocked out

Originally posted by StellarX

Yes they did and you really need to actually make a argument against what is known if you want to continue telling people something that is not accurate. Our best information indicates current life on Mars.

"I found that the gas release was indeed rhythmic, with a period of precisely 24.66 hours, a Martian day," Miller said. This finding, along with other painstaking assessments about LR operations, the scientist feels that a Martian circadian rhythm in the experiment may constitute a biosignature - a sign of life.

[...] The presence of a strong circadian rhythm in the LR experiment further suggests that circadian rhythmicity may be an excellent 'biosignature' of extraterrestrial life," Miller said.

www.space.com...

Well...to be honest...I don't think the circadian rhythm is a sign of life...and let's imagine a simple experiment for that.

Let's take 24 galsses of water and leave them outside for a day or so, to be sure that their temperature follows that of the air.

Now, every new hour, go outside and put a sugar cube in one of the glasses and measure the time it takes to disolve. I bet it will have a strong circadian rythm as well... and it involves only water and sugar...no life at all...That's beacause the speed of chemical (physical) reactions depends on the experiment's temperature.

Now you may argue that the LR experiment wasn't conducted outside, but inside the Viking Lander, but let's not forget that the temperature variations between day and night on Mars are very dramatic due to the very thin atmosphere and that, of course, affects also the lander therefore is highly possible that the circadian rythm observed is the signature of that abrupt variation and not of a lifeform on Mars.

Originally posted by Apass
Well...to be honest...I don't think the circadian rhythm is a sign of life...and let's imagine a simple experiment for that.

So you just heard what a specialist in the field had to say...... Why exactly are you disagreeing and what does you example have in common with the one conducted on Mars? Can you give me the material you used to come up with said theory and the scientist that proposed it as alternative to the explanation this 'expert' came up with?

Keep in mind that i do not base my claims for life on Mars on this one thing alone and that there is a whole series of facts and finds that proves it.

Stellar

Originally posted by jra
Well then tell us how it works. Don´t just say 'thats not how it works', one might think you don't know at all either. And last I checked, that´s how all satellite imaging systems work.

Well i can say 'that's not how it works' cause i know and assumed that the rest of you would too... I always give people too much credit ....

They photograph the planet in parts and put the images together.

Strips yes but i am talking about editing on individual frames.

Unfortunately I´m not at home right now or i´d go look in worldwind for an example, but when looking at Mars in that program, there are tons of areas, big and small that are missing some high res images. I doubt very much that it has to do with censoring.

Since you have no idea what your talking about that is exactly what you would think and what they depend on to keep the 'game' going.

I guess it could be, but why do it so blatantly? I thought NASA always photoshoped there images (or so lots of CT's claim anyway).

Yes they do but this world is a complex place and unexpected things happens. You are also assuming that everyone in NASA wants to keep the secret when that is clearly not the case. They did not all that technology years ago as is clear with older material ..

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...
clickres=5&ox=0&oy=0&res=0&size=768&latitude=64&longitude=265&su
bmit=Use+Lat%252FLong&sensor=UVVIS&filter=415_nm

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...
clickres=5&ox=0&oy=0&res=0&size=768&latitude=70&longitude=240&su
bmit=Use+Lat%252FLong&sensor=UVVIS&filter=415_nm

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...
clickres=5&ox=0&oy=0&res=0&size=768&latitude=-72&longitude=108&su
bmit=Use+Lat%252FLong&sensor=UVVIS&filter=415_nm

I have given you a link to Mars pictures and how they 'airbrushed' over all the details of importance they noticed. They probably did not bargain on the fact that we would have the the zooming pc tools we have these days. Whatever the case may be it's a losing battle considering they do not have the clout in NASA to just enable complete destruction of the material.

The odds of it being corrupted data or just a spot that hasn't or didn't need to be imaged are much more likely than something being censored.

Well if you will actually go to the trouble of looking at the site in question you will soon notice the obvious tampering and that it has NOTHING to do with imaging errors.

Think about it, if NASA wanted to hide something, the best way to do it is to not release the image. It would also be nice to see the original images shown in the first post insted of a small collage.

As i said above it assumes that everyone in NASA agrees that the public must be kept in the dark which is clearly not the case. I have provided the page where you can easily discover the truth.

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

Stellar

Originally posted by StellarX

So you just heard what a specialist in the field had to say...... [...] Can you give me the material you used to come up with said theory and the scientist that proposed it as alternative to the explanation this 'expert' came up with?

No. Beacuse it's not what a specialist had to say, it's just what I'm saying. And what makes someone an expert?

Originally posted by StellarX

Why exactly are you disagreeing and what does you example have in common with the one conducted on Mars?

I'm disagreeing that a strong circadian rythm is a sign of life. And with that simple experiment anyone can do that I've presented I tink it's quite clear why. You want a simpler experiment? Just check the temperature every hour of the 24'th of the day. It doesn't metter if you do this outside or inside...it will have a strong circadian rythm even if your air conditioning unit is on.

Originally posted by StellarX

Keep in mind that i do not base my claims for life on Mars on this one thing alone and that there is a whole series of facts and finds that proves it.

Well, give me some links so I can see what you are referring at. But please, not from sites like marsanomalyresearch, but some of scientific background.

Originally posted by TeH PwNeR
Hello everyone I would like to show you some pictures that i have collected via google.com/mars. here they are, they are of suspicious land formations.

img445.imageshack.us...

Back to the thread, does this alse look suspicios to you? :Is this related to the Cydonia pyramid?

Just like Jehosephat said in another thread

Originally posted by Jehosephat

I am getting really tired of hearing peoples results in the new Mars version of the Rorschach Inkblot Test.

If you're a botanist you will see flowers in the Rorschach Inkblot Test, if you're a engineear you'll see engine parts in the test...if you're a marsanomalyresearcher, you'll just see marsanomalies in the same test... Just my opinion


Edited for some spell corrections
[edit on 21-8-2006 by Apass]

[edit on 21-8-2006 by Apass]

Originally posted by Apass
No. Beacuse it's not what a specialist had to say, it's just what I'm saying. And what makes someone an expert?

Well considering i am a lay person i tend to employ the opinions of those with qualifications as they can defend their points of view in technical terms which i can then learn from and employ in their defense.

I'm disagreeing that a strong circadian rythm is a sign of life.

Then please provide a replicable experiment on earth that would mimic the findings of the LR experiment. They have been trying for 30 years now without success but if you believe yourself able please suggest a theory where you can check for circadian rhythm without using 'twenty four glasses' ( doh).

And with that simple experiment anyone can do that I've presented I tink it's quite clear why.

Because it has nothing to do with circadian rhythm?

You want a simpler experiment? Just check the temperature every hour of the 24'th of the day. It doesn't metter if you do this outside or inside...it will have a strong circadian rythm even if your air conditioning unit is on.

The temperate is not 'alive'.

Well, give me some links so I can see what you are referring at. But please, not from sites like marsanomalyresearch, but some of scientific background.

You should use the word science.... Check out that site and slowly begin to figure out that all their primary material comes from official sources with links supplied. I have posted plenty of links to relevant material on this site so feel free to do some searching. Here is a recent one i still have a link to.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Stellar

[edit on 21-8-2006 by StellarX]

Originally posted by StellarX
Well considering i am a lay person i tend to employ the opinions of those with qualifications as they can defend their points of view in technical terms which i can then learn from and employ in their defense.

What do you understand by qualifications? I'm an engineer specialized in research and measurement instrumentation so I think that I can defend my point in technical terms as well.

Then please provide a replicable experiment on earth that would mimic the findings of the LR experiment. They have been trying for 30 years now without success but if you believe yourself able please suggest a theory where you can check for circadian rhythm without using 'twenty four glasses' ( doh).

I already provided two simple experiments that don't imply life at all...yet if you analyse the data you can find a strong circadian rythm. For your information, circadian rythm means that the processe you're observing has a cyclic behaviour with the same period as the earth rotation (or Mars in this case), that is a daily variation...so if you measure the tempretature during a day you'll get a circadian rythm.

Because it has nothing to do with circadian rhythm?
The temperate is not 'alive'.

And like I said...a circadian rythm is not a sign of life

Originally posted by StellarX
You should use the word science.... Check out that site and slowly begin to figure out that all their primary material comes from official sources with links supplied. I have posted plenty of links to relevant material on this site so feel free to do some searching. Here is a recent one i still have a link to.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No. I meant scientific as in sci·en·tif·ic: adj. Of, relating to, or employing the methodology of science.
(according to www.dictionary.com)

The links found on that thread say pretty much the same thing...that we don't know for sure if there is or isn't life on Mars. And actualy, Mars Express had a lander (that failed on its landing) that has had an experiment for the search for life: beagle 2
beagle 2 not responding

but here www.space.com... Gilbert Levin says

he regrets that, despite NASA and the European Space Agency statements that the search for life on Mars remains their highest priority, none of this trio of spacecraft currently voyaging to Mars contains a life detection test.

and unfortunetly for him, the MERs currently on Mars didn't find any liquid water.

[edit on 22-8-2006 by Apass]

I don't get it. The first time I edit a post for some spelling it doesn't work but still it adds "[edit on 22-8-2006 by Apass]", Why?
Oh...I got it...I've pressed first the Preview Post button and that cleared the edited text in the edit box...

[edit on 22-8-2006 by Apass]

Originally posted by Apass
What do you understand by qualifications? I'm an engineer specialized in research and measurement instrumentation so I think that I can defend my point in technical terms as well.

Right around now would be a good time to start. List (with qualification by other scientist) why you disagree with the conclusions of the specialist contracted by NASA....

I already provided two simple experiments that don't imply life at all...yet if you analyse the data you can find a strong circadian rythm.

You suggested filling glasses with water which is has nothing to do with the process followed by the LR experiment.

For your information, circadian rythm means that the processe you're observing has a cyclic behaviour with the same period as the earth rotation (or Mars in this case), that is a daily variation...so if you measure the tempretature during a day you'll get a circadian rythm.

It could be something else, running out of options thought, but if one adds up all the other facts that point strongly to life you will also come to see that it's life we are looking at.

And like I said...a circadian rythm is not a sign of life

More specifically, says Miller, the fluctuations in gas emissions seem to be entrained to a 2 degrees C fluctuation inside the lander, which in turn reflected not-quite-total shielding from the 50 degrees C fluctuation in temperature that occurs daily on the surface of Mars. Temperature-entrained circadian rhythms, even to a mere 2-degree C fluctuation, have been observed repeatedly on earth.

As for the original concerns of the dubious chemists, who thought the same sort of signal could simply be coming from highly reactive, non-organic compounds in the soil, Miller says such a scenario would be almost impossible to imagine. "For one thing," he explains, "there has since been research that shows that superoxides exposed to an aqueous solution—like the nutrient solution in the experiment—will quickly be destroyed. And yet, the circadian rhythms from the Martian soil persisted for nine straight weeks."

"There is no reason for a purely chemical reaction to be so strongly synchronized to such a small temperature fluctuation," he adds. "We think that in conjunction with the strong indications from Mars Observer images that show water flowed on the surface in the recent past, a lot of the necessary characteristics of life are there. I think back in 1976, the Viking researchers had an excellent reason to believe they’d discovered life; I’d say it was a good 75 percent certain. Now, with this discovery, I’d say it’s over 90 percent. And I think there are a lot of biologists who would agree with me."

www.eurekalert.org...

Also published in peer reviewed journals so i am wondering just what your objections are based on...

Originally posted by Apass
No. I meant scientific as in sci·en·tif·ic: adj. Of, relating to, or employing the methodology of science.
(according to www.dictionary.com)

I know what the word means and and that's why i suggested the site in question. Have you actually looked at it or are you just playing for time? I'll be here all year....

The links found on that thread say pretty much the same thing...that we don't know for sure if there is or isn't life on Mars.

Please define 'for sure' and what other things you consider 'for sure' as this might just be a question of you demanding that it bites you before admitting it's there.

And actualy, Mars Express had a lander (that failed on its landing) that has had an experiment for the search for life: beagle 2
beagle 2 not responding

Yes; the Russians launched it for them and the lander 'failed' just like the sent a 'control' test to mars on viking that did not even work on earth. They rig the system and i guess desperate measures is what your left with after a quarter century of inaction and general disinterest.

and unfortunetly for him, the MERs currently on Mars didn't find any liquid water.

There is overwhelming evidence for liquid water on Mars had you cared to do some research. Why do you refuse to do any?

Recent analyses of ESA's Mars Express data reveal that concentrations of water vapor and methane in the atmosphere of Mars significantly overlap. This result, from data obtained by the Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS), gives a boost to understanding of geological and atmospheric processes on Mars, and provides important new hints to evaluate the hypothesis of present life on the Red Planet.

Here, the concentration is two to three times higher than in other regions observed. These areas of water vapor concentration also correspond to the areas where NASA's Odyssey spacecraft has observed a water ice layer a few tens of centimeters below the surface, as Dr Vittorio Formisano, PFS principal investigator, reports.

New in-depth analysis of PFS data also confirms that methane is not uniform in the atmosphere, but concentrated in some areas. The PFS team observed that the areas of highest concentration of methane overlap with the areas where water vapor and underground water ice are also concentrated. This spatial correlation between water vapor and methane seems to point to a common underground source.

www.astrobio.net...

Methane either comes from dead life ( volcanism) or present life so there really is very little to argue about considering how short lived this substance is in the Martian atmosphere.

Didn't you see the mud at the pathfinder landing site?
he he...

It's "rhythm" last i checked so maybe you want to correct your spelling after all these years of careful investigation into these 'rythms'. I am the last one to correct someone elses spelling but i believe it might very well be saying more than you are.

Stellar