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Topic started on 6-8-2006 @ 12:36 PM by subz

Here's an interesting prospect, German Bundeswehr soldiers patrolling Israel's northern border with Lebanon as an international peacekeeping force.

Is Germany ready to help police Lebanon?

BERLIN - It's a prospect loaded with historical baggage: German troops joining a proposed international force in Lebanon to police the conflict between
Israel and Hezbollah.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert says he likes the idea. But Berlin, mindful of the Nazi past, seems in no hurry.

For Germany, keeping the peace in Lebanon would represent a big opportunity to bury the Hitler demon and project itself as a force for world peace.

So Olmert is fine with it, but Chancellor Angela Merkel, the German Defence minister and former Israeli Justice minister have reservations?

I dont see why today's German troops should be associated with Nazism. How long does animosity have to exist? Germany is second only to the United States in supporting Israel so why would there be any anxiety?

What I did find interesting though is that both sides acknowledge a scenario of German troops having to return fire on Israeli troops. That would only happen if Israeli troops broke the ceasefire agreement. But is that really a negative scenario confined to German troops? I dont think any nation should have to be put in the position of being fired upon by, or having to fire on, Israeli forces. They are there as a peacekeeping mission and Israel should not even consider a scenario whereby they would be exchanging fire with them.

But as we saw with the two Israeli attacks on the UN positions on the Lebanese border in which 4 UN troops were killed and today's incident of Chinese peacekeepers being wounded by Israeli crossfire, Israel has a long history of harming international peacekeepers.

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 01:37 PM by Nygdan

I think it'd be pretty foolish to have the entire peace keeping mission scrubbed because no one thought about German soldiers firing on jews being a political debacle. That potentiality alone would be enough of a reason to leave the kids and grandkids of death camp operators out of the mission.

How long does animosity have to exist?

Yeah I know, I mean, the holocaust happened in the middle of the 20th century, get over it. And the arabs should just get over the whole 'state of israel' thing too, since it started at the same time.

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 01:53 PM by johnsky

How did that comment even make it into a news posting?
The fact that the Germans are interacting with the Jewish homeland is a minor sidenote in someones journal at best.

The Germans have been a very liberal people since that era. Nobody cares anymore. Sure, remember the past so it doesnt happen again, but Germany is doing that just fine, it should be the rest of the world who watches out for turning fachist now... Britain and the US to name a couple.

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 03:23 PM by Jewish_hammer

Germany has changed.....
I've been there,nice place,woulden't mind even LIVING there.
Altho there are still some people in IL that just can't forget about it.
and it seems that alot of major anti- shemizem waves aren't from germany,but rather from other counties,with contain high muslem concentration.

and frankly I think that World media,EASPECILY europien,just kisses muslem ass too much,and it is clearly visible in the recent conflict.

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 06:32 PM by stumason

Originally posted by Jewish_hammer
Germany has changed.....
I've been there,nice place,woulden't mind even LIVING there.
Altho there are still some people in IL that just can't forget about it.
and it seems that alot of major anti- shemizem waves aren't from germany,but rather from other counties,with contain high muslem concentration.

and frankly I think that World media,EASPECILY europien,just kisses muslem ass too much,and it is clearly visible in the recent conflict.

Give over with the anti-semitism crap. Criticising Israel is fundamentally different to being Anti-Semitic. Besides, being Semitic doesn't equal Jew.

Palestinians are also Semitic people, much more so than most Jews who are Eastern European converts, I might add.

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 08:52 PM by princeofpeace

When it comes down to it, Israel has no reason to fear Germany (straight up). The Israel of 2006 would absolutely destroy Germany LOL

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 09:55 PM by xmotex

The Germans are probably friendlier to Israel than any other European country these days - they built them those shiny Dolphins subs - on which the Israelis immediately loaded nuclear-tipped Popeye cruise missiles.

The Israelis have been very effective at playing the Holocaust guilt card with the Germans over the years. Not that I entirely blame them.

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 10:07 PM by subz

Originally posted by princeofpeace
When it comes down to it, Israel has no reason to fear Germany (straight up). The Israel of 2006 would absolutely destroy Germany LOL

The topic is regarding the misgivings on both the Israeli and German sides to having a Bundeswehr force on Israel's northern border.

I think you'll find if Israel launched an attack on German troops it would have to contend with Germanies NATO allies.

reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 10:30 PM by princeofpeace

Exactly bro...thats why if you actually read my statement before you would see that i said versus Germany "straight up". In other words, with no other NATO forces involved. Thats what "straight up" implies...it means an apples to apples to comparison. Sorry to be so vague...sorry you couldnt pick up the context clues.

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reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 11:00 PM by subz

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Exactly bro...thats why if you actually read my statement before you would see that i said versus Germany "straight up". In other words, with no other NATO forces involved. Thats what "straight up" implies...it means an apples to apples to comparison. Sorry to be so vague...sorry you couldnt pick up the context clues.

Meh, I guess "alone" or "by itself" were much too vulgar an expression of what you meant? Sorry I honestly didnt understand what you meant with the bracketed "straight up".

Not that it matters, you're point is what exactly? Because Israel is the tarted up Jezebel (pimped out biatch) of the United States and can beat Germany's Bundeswehr it will annul the sensitivities of Holocaust survivors and those who still harbour national guilt? What is this? The fourth grade?

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 12:01 AM by benevolent tyrant

Oddly enough, if Germany were to still maintain strong Nazi tendencies, they would probably fight to assure a Jewish Homeland. After all, there was an inititial plan under the Nazis to move all of the German (sic European) Jews to Madagascar, thus giving the Jews a "homeland".

The last thing the Nazis would probably desire -- keeping in mind the Nazi mindset -- would be for a new Jewish Exodus.

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 12:36 AM by helium3

Originally posted by princeofpeace
When it comes down to it, Israel has no reason to fear Germany (straight up). The Israel of 2006 would absolutely destroy Germany LOL

Your kidding me right ? Unless the Jews whinge the poor Germans to death Israel does not stand a chance.

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 12:59 AM by Lysergic

Originally posted by princeofpeace
When it comes down to it, Israel has no reason to fear Germany (straight up). The Israel of 2006 would absolutely destroy Germany LOL

Ahh isn't this hilarious, your moniker is "prince of peace"

Does your chest ever get sore from thumping it?

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 02:37 AM by northwolf

Prince of "Peace"
You do realise that When fully geared for war Bundeswehr outnumbers IDF by a wide margin... and their gear is from the to of the line, not modernized '60s tanks like majority of IDFs

Bundeswehr, given full draft and free hands would decimate israel easily.

But modern day Germany has nothing to with Nazi regime and Bundeswehr ideoligically clean, geared to defend Germany, not invade...
Besides there are German troops in Congo, shoudn't you be worried that they are going to kill all the blacks there? Why do Jews allways get a special treatment, Nazis killed lot's of other people too besides the Jews. And USSR killed at least as many jews as did Nazis and a lot more people in died in their camps, why's that forgotten, but Germans must keep on paying the price?

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 03:10 AM by Fett Pinkus

People you worry too much about us Germans

Right now the "Bundeswehr" is operating internationaly to the fullest meaning we just dont have any troops capable of taking on another international operation.

Oh and as to the full draft : our recruites serve a total of 9 months when conscripted, this includes 4 weeks of holidays.Only 3 months serves as training at the beggining , the rest of the time they just sit around doing not much.

The conscripted troops consist of 18-23 year olds who basically havent found a job or apprentiship as yet ,most are unemployed and most dont even want to serve at all.

Here speech by General Holger Kammerhoff at the Committee on Women in NATO Forces 2005 Annual Meeting, in the speech he talks of all missions where the Bundeswehr is currently serving as well as the role of women in the Bundeswehr.

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reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 03:23 AM by Jewish_hammer

3 Monthes of training? thats it ?

i'd thought the germans would invest more training weeks in thiere troops....

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 03:31 AM by Fett Pinkus

Well the 3 months is the basic training all will get , those that are willing to serve 2 years or more get better and more training as these people will also be usually sent off to serve internationaly , be it in the kosovo,afghanistan etc.

But these soldiers are free to choose if they want to be part of the un/nato operations, noone is forced to serve.

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 03:42 AM by Mdv2

Originally posted by Jewish_hammer
3 Monthes of training? thats it ?

i'd thought the germans would invest more training weeks in thiere troops....

I think he's aiming on the conscripts only. Unlike Israel, Germany's majority of army units consists of professional soldiers, not conscripts.

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 03:43 AM by Jewish_hammer

Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
Well the 3 months is the basic training all will get , those that are willing to serve 2 years or more get better and more training as these people will also be usually sent off to serve internationaly , be it in the kosovo,afghanistan etc.

But these soldiers are free to choose if they want to be part of the un/nato operations, noone is forced to serve.

ahha,here in IL all the Israeli Jews (that is not israeli arabs)
must serve AT LEAST 3 years.....
in alot of cases you will probebly eat # for thos 3 years,but you might also profit from it....

reply posted on 7-8-2006 @ 04:00 AM by Fett Pinkus

Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by Jewish_hammer
3 Monthes of training? thats it ?

i'd thought the germans would invest more training weeks in thiere troops....

I think he's aiming on the conscripts only. Unlike Israel, Germany's majority of army units consists of professional soldiers, not conscripts.

Here
is a graphic showing the troops serving in other countries. Gesamt means the amount,Frauen means women and reservisten means reserve soldiers.

Taken from wiki :"The Bundeswehr has some 250,000 military personnel, 50,000 of whom are 18–25-year-old conscripts who serve for at least nine months under current rules. The number of civilian employees is to be reduced to 75,000 during the next years."

Of these about 65000 are available for international duty, the other 220000 are based in Germany for our defense.(as if we would need it )

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