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China Now Considered a "Credible Threat"
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Since 1991, China has been secretly building up its military, and now is considered to be a "credible threat". It will have nuclear missiles that
can reach any location in the United States by next year, and will also have the ability to launch nuclear missiles from submarines by 2008 in essence
giving it the ability to strike on any nation in the world. The interesting part is, most of it based on US technology.
www.popularmechanics.com
The result of China's 15-year effort has been "the largest military buildup the world has witnessed since the end of the Cold War," says Richard Fisher, a China specialist for the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC), a Virginia-based think tank. China is now termed a "credible threat to other modern militaries operating in the region" by the Department of Defense, despite languishing perhaps 25 years behind the States in a number of areas. By next year, Chinese nuclear missiles could have the capability to hit any target in the United States from launch sites on mainland China. By 2008, the country is expected to possess submarine-launched nuclear missiles, giving it global strike capabilities.
The nuclear arsenal is backed by an increasingly sophisticated navy and air force. Currently on Chinese military drawing boards are plans for combat aircraft, the Chengdu J-10 and Xian JH-7A fighter jets; a combat helicopter, the Z-10; advanced warships; and even space-based weapons designed to knock out communications satellites. U.S. observers fear that much of this will be made possible by espionage.
In June 2005, China began sea trials of its new Luyang II guided-missile destroyers. When the armaments were unveiled, jaws clenched in the Pentagon. The ships were equipped with a knockoff of the latest version of the U.S. Navy's Aegis battle management system, a critical command-and-control technology. The technology enables U.S.--and now Chinese--forces to simultaneously attack land targets, submarines and surface ships. It also runs fleet defense tactics to protect against hostile planes and missiles. Federal sources insist that the only way the relatively backward Chinese military could have developed such a system was by copying it.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
China is quickly becoming a force to be reckoned with, and if they wanted to, they could easily become a "super power" and, by the flick of a pen, turn the United States into a third-world country.
Here's a potential scenario:
The attacks on Iraq, and the future attacks on Iran and/or Syria, will trigger the entire Middle East into fiery inferno, as it pretty much already has.
Once the United States is firmly entrenched into the Middle East with the majority of our Armed Forces, North Korea will to attack South Korea, as it has been posturing to do so.
Then, with America's forces stretched well beyond the limit, China will invade Taiwan and possibly Japan.
This will usher in the start of World War Three.
How would China turn the US into a third-world country? Easy. With them invading and taking over Taiwan and Japan, they would then rule 90% of the countries where the United States gets its products from. So, all they would have to do is halt all shipping to th United States.
Think of all of the things that are sold in the US that are made in China, Taiwan, and Japan. Prices at Wal-Marts, Targets, and other stores like them would skyrocket!
Lest I forget, China finances 33%, if not more, of the US Deficit as well.
Related News Links:
www.chinapost.com.tw
www.cosmosmagazine.com
www.boston.com
www.chinapost.com.tw
www.popularmechanics.com
The result of China's 15-year effort has been "the largest military buildup the world has witnessed since the end of the Cold War," says Richard Fisher, a China specialist for the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC), a Virginia-based think tank. China is now termed a "credible threat to other modern militaries operating in the region" by the Department of Defense, despite languishing perhaps 25 years behind the States in a number of areas. By next year, Chinese nuclear missiles could have the capability to hit any target in the United States from launch sites on mainland China. By 2008, the country is expected to possess submarine-launched nuclear missiles, giving it global strike capabilities.
The nuclear arsenal is backed by an increasingly sophisticated navy and air force. Currently on Chinese military drawing boards are plans for combat aircraft, the Chengdu J-10 and Xian JH-7A fighter jets; a combat helicopter, the Z-10; advanced warships; and even space-based weapons designed to knock out communications satellites. U.S. observers fear that much of this will be made possible by espionage.
In June 2005, China began sea trials of its new Luyang II guided-missile destroyers. When the armaments were unveiled, jaws clenched in the Pentagon. The ships were equipped with a knockoff of the latest version of the U.S. Navy's Aegis battle management system, a critical command-and-control technology. The technology enables U.S.--and now Chinese--forces to simultaneously attack land targets, submarines and surface ships. It also runs fleet defense tactics to protect against hostile planes and missiles. Federal sources insist that the only way the relatively backward Chinese military could have developed such a system was by copying it.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
China is quickly becoming a force to be reckoned with, and if they wanted to, they could easily become a "super power" and, by the flick of a pen, turn the United States into a third-world country.
Here's a potential scenario:
The attacks on Iraq, and the future attacks on Iran and/or Syria, will trigger the entire Middle East into fiery inferno, as it pretty much already has.
Once the United States is firmly entrenched into the Middle East with the majority of our Armed Forces, North Korea will to attack South Korea, as it has been posturing to do so.
Then, with America's forces stretched well beyond the limit, China will invade Taiwan and possibly Japan.
This will usher in the start of World War Three.
How would China turn the US into a third-world country? Easy. With them invading and taking over Taiwan and Japan, they would then rule 90% of the countries where the United States gets its products from. So, all they would have to do is halt all shipping to th United States.
Think of all of the things that are sold in the US that are made in China, Taiwan, and Japan. Prices at Wal-Marts, Targets, and other stores like them would skyrocket!
Lest I forget, China finances 33%, if not more, of the US Deficit as well.
Related News Links:
www.chinapost.com.tw
www.cosmosmagazine.com
www.boston.com
www.chinapost.com.tw
Funny i always regarded China as a credible threat since it gained nuclear capability.Ok its capabilities for warfightting outside of its borders has
only slowly increased over the years,but has still been a thorn in both Taiwan and Japan to a less extent.
Oh boy does someone need to read up on the US military, JSDF, ROK military, NATO, MAD, PLA, and how the global economy works.
Originally posted by WestPoint23Oh boy does someone need to read up on the US military, JSDF, ROK military, NATO, MAD, PLA, and how the global economy works.
Based on the scenario I presented, the US Military would be spread quite thin at that point, which it pretty much already is.
I don't know what the Korean military would have to do with China. Besides, North and South Korea would already be at war at this point, so their forces would be tied up as well.
Explain to me how NATO would be of assistance in this situation?
MAD has nothing to do with this either, considering China would not be using nuclear weapons against the US. And I don't think they would use them against Taiwan or Japan either. China would most likely use them as a protective tool instead. Now, if Russia were to get involved, that would be another story, and MAD would definitely come in to play. But, like I said, I doubt China would resort to using nuclear weapons from the get go.
Regarding the PLA? Well, considering they have more than 400,000,000 potential recruits, they could launch a land attack on the United States and kill every person nearly two times over...which I doubt they would do. But there are 1.4 billion people in China, and only 300 million in the US. I think we'd run out of people before China did.
As I stated, I believe the economic sanctions that China would place on us would be enough to turn us into a third-world nation.
[edit on 8-7-2006 by elderban]
Theres one really big factor that china is missing right now. That would be projection of power. They have the people to invade like that. The only
problem is they dont have NEARLY enough assets to get them all anywhere.
China doesn't particularly seem interested in "power projection" beyond it's immediate region. This is one of the reasons I am extremely skeptical
about all the "Chinese Threat" talk. If China is intent on becoming a global interventionist power to contfront the US, where are their long range
bomber programs? Their buildup in airlift & sealift? Where's their carrier fleet?
The truth is, the only "threat" China poses to the US, even with it's current force modenization, is the ability to deter US operations against China itself and in the event of a confrontation with Taiwan.
The truth is, the only "threat" China poses to the US, even with it's current force modenization, is the ability to deter US operations against China itself and in the event of a confrontation with Taiwan.
Think of all of the things that are sold in the US that are made in China, Taiwan, and Japan. Prices at Wal-Marts, Targets, and other stores like them would skyrocket!
Precisely why the threat is not as great as it seems. Without us to have our goods manufactured or assembled in China, their economy disappears. They're not going to attack their number one customer.
Now the question i always ask..Can two superpowers really risk everything on this earth ? Its simple, and even they would think twice before nuking
eachother to kingdom come.
I could assure you, even in the midst of a world war that no country could "turn the US into a third-world country" as easily as you make it sound.
In fact, I doubt any country could do it without facing SEVERE consequences. That's the beauty and the horror of nuclear capabilites.
M.A.D.
Mutually Assured Destruction.
M.A.D.
Mutually Assured Destruction.
posted by elderban
Since 1991, China has been secretly building up its military, and now is considered to be a "credible threat". [Edited by Don W]
If China is doing this in “secret” how do you come to know this? Is the use of the word “secret” a hype word? To make it look as if someone has “inside” information?
It will have nuclear missiles that can reach the United States by next year, and will have the ability to launch nuclear missiles from submarines by 2008 giving it the ability to strike any nation in the world. The interesting part is, most of it based on US technology.
I smell racist jingoism! China’s weapons are based on US technology? As if this is not a racist remark, that Orientals are not as technologically capable as are we Occidentals? Maybe even stolen from us? As opposed to licensed or copied?
Not to worry, L/B. China is not an aggressive, pre-emptive, ignore international l law country like one I know of.
The result of China's 15-year effort has been "the largest military buildup the world has witnessed since the end of the Cold War," says Richard Fisher, a China specialist for the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC), a Virginia-based think tank.
I smell military industrial congressional complex crapola! Who is this IASC? Who funds it? I wonder how many there have been to China or even speak/read Chinese? Just curious.
despite languishing 25 years behind the States in a number of areas . . Chinese nuclear missiles could have the capability to hit any target in the United States from launch sites on mainland China.
Mr Fisher says, “15 year effort” and “25 years of languishing.” Is this guy cross-eyed? What the heck’s missing here? Uhh, the US has 400 Minuteman II that can hit any target in China, and MIRV’d too, so we can lay 9 X 400 nukes (3,600) on China anytime our Glorious Leader determines. So why ought not China have a reciprocal capability? Hmm? Like self defense.
“ . . on Chinese military drawing boards are plans for combat aircraft, the Chengdu J-10 and Xian JH-7A fighter jets; a combat helicopter, the Z-10; advanced warships; and even space-based weapons designed to knock out communications satellites.
Or US space based weapons? In contravention of existing treaty but which our Glorious Leader discards on his own whim? Look, if I was China or Iran or North Korea, I’d want nukes to protect me from the United States of America. Our leadership has gone berserk. It is out of control. It acknowledges no limit on its Commander-in-Chief power. That is Scary.
L/B, we are the world’s warmongers. Not China.
[edit on 8/7/2006 by donwhite]
China may not be warmongering nation now, but as soon as their exponentially growing
economy and energy needs can no longer be fed by trade and diplomacy they will have
but one option. To war for that energy. They may be able to find a way to import all
the energy they need but I don't think it's possible.
I have a feeling that it will be the chinese that research and implement the next energy source. Perhaps they can produce enough internally to handle their needs. I guess it depends on the new energy source. We'll see...exciting times
I also believe that if their energy needs quickly move beyond their supply we will see
China's fingers in the middle east and South America causing much tension between
east/west.
economy and energy needs can no longer be fed by trade and diplomacy they will have
but one option. To war for that energy. They may be able to find a way to import all
the energy they need but I don't think it's possible.
I have a feeling that it will be the chinese that research and implement the next energy source. Perhaps they can produce enough internally to handle their needs. I guess it depends on the new energy source. We'll see...exciting times
I also believe that if their energy needs quickly move beyond their supply we will see
China's fingers in the middle east and South America causing much tension between
east/west.
lol China could make the US into a third world country with a flick of a pen. I think all developing countries with gigantic populations that depend
on foreign investment would like to know how they can also turn industrial superpowers with the largest GDP's into 3rd world countries as well.
posted by nextguyinline
China may not be warmongering nation now, but as soon as their growing economy and energy needs can no longer be fed by trade and diplomacy they will have but one option. To war for that energy. [Edited by Don W]
America’s leadership is completely unconcerned, Mr N. We had - may still have - a chance to disarm the world, but it is rapidly passing us by. 1991 gave us a once in a lifetime golden opportunity. Whether we see it again is questionable.
“ . . may be able to find a way to import all the energy they need but I don't think it's possible.
China is getting fossil fuels from Russia, Iran and Uzbekistan. It also gets fuel from the Persian Gulf. There is some oil in the South China Sea but who “owns” it is in dispute.
“ . . the next energy source . . the new energy source . . “
I hope so. But there is little evidence for anything new on the energy scene. Every alternative to fossil fuel still consumes more energy to process or produce than it can store or deliver, most of which energy is derived from fossil fuel. It looks bleak on that front. Wind - next to worthless - and tidal generated electricity - a drop in a big bucket.
“ . . see China's fingers in the Middle East and South America causing much tension between east and west.
China has no navy to transport and support troops outside the mainland. They do not have enough to invade Taiwan. The Chinese PLA is for internal crowd control. It has no offensive capability.
China’s internal problems - mainly the 300 million who are part of the economic explosion - and the 1 billion who are being left behind. The old Chi-coms ane the new Chi-caps.
[edit on 8/7/2006 by donwhite]
Hi Don, I've enjoyed reading your posts in the past when I was lurking.
you'll have to forgive me until I can properly respond to point by point quotes.
-Since China didn't disarm anyone in '91, everyone still has their arms.(please elaborate on that point. I am very curious what you mean)
So when China can not meet its' energy needs it will have to deal with those arms.
-I realize they're already getting oil, but will what they are getting and will get in the
future be enough?
-I have faith in the Chinese
- by fingers I didn't mean military necessarily. Just an increased interest in the decisions
being made in those areas.
you'll have to forgive me until I can properly respond to point by point quotes.
-Since China didn't disarm anyone in '91, everyone still has their arms.(please elaborate on that point. I am very curious what you mean)
So when China can not meet its' energy needs it will have to deal with those arms.
-I realize they're already getting oil, but will what they are getting and will get in the
future be enough?
-I have faith in the Chinese
- by fingers I didn't mean military necessarily. Just an increased interest in the decisions
being made in those areas.
posted by nextguyinline
Hi Don, I've enjoyed reading your posts in the past when I was lurking. you'll have to forgive me until I can properly respond to point by point quotes - Since China didn't disarm anyone in '91, everyone still has their arms. (please elaborate on that point. I am very curious what you mean) [Edited by Don W]
Thanks Mr N. You’re kind. I refer to 1991 a lot. By it I mean the final fall of the USSR, which began in earnest in 1989. America’s CIA - cynically or for a safe margin - consistently overestimated the Soviet industrial capacity. The 1991 collapse of the USSR caught them by surprise. They heard it first on BBC. Not good at budget time.
Any nation’s army is based ultimately on the nation’s industrial capacity. China is now the world’s largest consumer goods manufacturer. You cannot wage war on Rubbermaid or Cusinart coffee makers. So, anyone who says China is s military threat must have a hidden agenda of is badly uninformed. IMO.
-I have faith in the Chinese
Me too. The Chinese are people of their word. I’m sorry I cannot say that about the West.
[edit on 8/7/2006 by donwhite]
Oil: One ring to rule them all and the name of game is to control the reserves, not markets.
Since the US government wants to stop state-controlled Iranian, Chinese or Indian companies from controlling the oil, then there shall be war.
China, Iran sign biggest oil & gas deal China Daily October 31, 2004
How China's secret deals are fuelling war UK times August 08, 2006
Word of the day is fungibility.
[edit on 7-8-2006 by Regenmacher]
Since the US government wants to stop state-controlled Iranian, Chinese or Indian companies from controlling the oil, then there shall be war.
China, Iran sign biggest oil & gas deal China Daily October 31, 2004
How China's secret deals are fuelling war UK times August 08, 2006
Word of the day is fungibility.
[edit on 7-8-2006 by Regenmacher]
The Bush administration must have an evil villian in the world at all times...this is hilarious. They cant find bin laden, who is probably a taxi
driver in manhattan, they cant control Israel, which is hell bent on destroying lebanon, they cant form diplomatic ties with russia or China, but they
are arming India as a Nuclear Power...
use your head for once, and stop listening to the fear mongers in the white house.
use your head for once, and stop listening to the fear mongers in the white house.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Here's s a very interesting article that say how would China and Russia defeat the USA in terms of military.
Link
Oh god is this going to turn in another "whose country is more powerful" thread? Seriously people should just compare penis and boob size and leave it at that. I have read just as many threads about how the US could take out Chinese and Russian nukes, etc. on a first strike. It is seriously all childish.
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