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reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 01:20 AM by Parmenides
This demonstration does not portray the feelings of the mainstream in Israel.
Like in any democracy there are some fringe-groups with oppinions that are very differet from everyone else. Here we are talking about anarchists, that have some following in Israel.

See here:
www.ynetnews.com...

Note that not only is the number very small, but it's also a group that booed the very left-wing Yael Dayan:

Former Knesset Member Yael Dayan, who spoke at the demonstration, was applauded when she said that "the soldiers must be returned from Lebanon immediately." However, the crowd booed when she claimed that "the war was justified at its onset."


These are people that usually show up on the news claiming that animals should have the same rights as people, and that everything the establishment does is wrong (they are for the dismantlement of all governmental institutions).
Because they are always automatically agains any military action, no mattar how justified (most of them pacifists), it was obvious they'll be agains this war.

However, as they are agains self-defence, they don't represent any shift in public oppinion in Israel. It's a far cry from the "average Israeli/Jews concern's living in downtown Isreal".


Note - about the London demonstration: Past experience shows that such demonstrations against Israel are usually held and attended by muslim immigrants (that have an obvious bias). There are several millions in the London area, so it's not hard to come up with the numbers for the demonstration.
The english people themselves are far less supportive of the arab side in the Israeli-Arab conflicts.

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reply posted on 6-8-2006 @ 02:18 AM by Parmenides
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Originally posted by Parmenides

demonstrations against Israel are usually held and attended by muslim immigrants


And? Your point is? So are you saying their voice doesn't count?? A Tax payer is a tax payer. I dunno what country you are from but a persons race should have nothing to do with it if they are citizens of that country.


My point is in the surrounding sentences:"demonstrations against Israel are usually held and attended by muslim immigrants (that have an obvious bias)......
The english people themselves are far less supportive of the arab side in the Israeli-Arab conflicts."

Meaning, people with obvious bias due to family realations to one side, cultural environment etc', tend to allow their emotions to get in the way of logical judgement. One would expect their views to lean to one side.
The non-muslim-immigrant english people, however, are less personally involved, so I brought them as an example to a more neutral (of cours, not totally neutral) crowd.

My point was, you can't get the general British sentiment about the situation, nor get a balanced view on the ME conflict, by only concidering such demostrations when a specific group with non-neutral views is involved.

Nowhere did I claim that their voice doesn't count, due to race or otherwise. Nor are those my views. I only claim they have an obvious leaning toward a certain side. Personal connections can distort one's judgement. Do you disagree?


Edit: do you agree with the main argument in my post, about the anarchists not representing a major shift in Israeli sentiments about the war?

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