So when do you think the US will start to harvest the oil reserves we have. We have them off California, Florida, off the East coast. We have it in Alaska and we have the oil shale in the Colorado/utah areas. When will the EPA allow more refinerys to be built and what about those oil saving nuclear power plants. When will this come about, when the oil suppliers don't want to sell to us anymore. How long will it be, when people are freezing in their houses.
When will the libs and the enviromentalists allow these to happen.

Originally posted by steve99
So when do you think the US will start to harvest the oil reserves we have. We have them off California, Florida, off the East coast. We have it in Alaska and we have the oil shale in the Colorado/utah areas. When will the EPA allow more refinerys to be built and what about those oil saving nuclear power plants. When will this come about, when the oil suppliers don't want to sell to us anymore. How long will it be, when people are freezing in their houses.
When will the libs and the enviromentalists allow these to happen.

I always understood that the USA will deplete the entire planet (on their terms, on the cheap in most case) before seriously using their own ressources. That is what powerful country, predator, scavenger do.

And by the way, the USA peak in 1970, and they will never produce more, now, that they did then.

[edit on 5-8-2006 by PopeyeFAFL]

Hopefully never, there's a reason we don't get oil from these areas,
it would wreck the local environment.

It's bad enough we actually use oil as it is, we don't need to be destroying
nature more than we already have trying to get oil from small reserves.

Also, there's not much oil in Alaska, so it's really not worth it anyhow.

[edit on 8/5/2006 by iori_komei]

It will hurt the local enviroment. So when the oil gets to expensive to import, and we have no gas to get to work,we should all just quit our jobs and freeze to protect the enviroment. When does the enviroment take a back seat so people can live. There is alot of oil reserves in this country. You should search this web site and also the internet on the subject. So what you are saying is give our money to the Middle East so they can finance terrorism, but the enviroment will be saved.

Originally posted by steve99
It will hurt the local enviroment. So when the oil gets to expensive to import, and we have no gas to get to work,we should all just quit our jobs and freeze to protect the enviroment. When does the enviroment take a back seat so people can live. There is alot of oil reserves in this country. You should search this web site and also the internet on the subject. So what you are saying is give our money to the Middle East so they can finance terrorism, but the enviroment will be saved.

The environment should never take the backseat, if we screw
up the environemnt, than we in turn are royally screwed ourselves.

I only said there is'nt alot in Alaska, not about the whole country,
as I only know about Alaska's oil reserves.
There's enough oil in Alaska to power the U.S. for a year,
maybe two if you stretch it, and honestly, I don't that a year
or two of oil is an acceptable reason to wreck the natural environment.

Not every country in the middle-east supports terror,
true Iran does support some rather nefarious groups, but there are
other more neutral countries that don't.

What we need to do, is put more effort and funding into renewable,
alternative and more environmentally friendly energy sources,
such as Solar power, Hydrogen, Wave power, wind power and
nuclear fusion reactors.

I always wanted to visit the beaches of the Florida Keys and see that beautiful sunset... with the lovely sillouet of a oil rig on the horrizon. How about, when will we get rid of the corrupt politicians and oil CEO's and allow electric, hydro and other alternative feuls?

Funny you should ask. I got an email from an investment company. They say we will start Jan 1, 2007.

Any investors? For $99 they will send you info on how you can get in and profit.

I erased it. I can get it back i think.


here it is:


On Jan. 1st, the Area 181 Oil Boom Begins

It’s the largest, most coveted oil property in
North America... and four government-authorized companies stand to make a fortune.

Area 181 lies on the Outer Continental Shelf -- the offshore deepwater that surrounds the entire U.S. coastline.

There’s enough oil there, according to the U.S. Commerce Department, to fuel every bus, van, car and SUV in the entire United States for at least the next 17 years. And enough gas, according to The Washington Post, “to heat every home in the United States for the next 80 years.”

In Area 181 alone, the Washington Post estimates there are 1.3 billion barrels of oil and 5.8 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That’s why, according to the U.S. Minerals and Management Service (MMS), Area 181 “received more than twice as many expressions of interest from the [energy] industry of any other area...”

If anyone is interested in the whole thing i can email it to you.



[edit on 5-8-2006 by dgtempe]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I always wanted to visit the beaches of the Florida Keys and see that beautiful sunset... with the lovely sillouet of a oil rig on the horrizon. How about, when will we get rid of the corrupt politicians and oil CEO's and allow electric, hydro and other alternative feuls?

I always envisioned my grandkids living in a heated house and being able to use a car. There will be a time when the enviroment will take a back seat.

I've also read where Alaska has as much reserves as Saudi Arabia. If I can find the link I will post it.

Originally posted by steve99

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I always wanted to visit the beaches of the Florida Keys and see that beautiful sunset... with the lovely sillouet of a oil rig on the horrizon. How about, when will we get rid of the corrupt politicians and oil CEO's and allow electric, hydro and other alternative feuls?

I always envisioned my grandkids living in a heated house and being able to use a car. There will be a time when the enviroment will take a back seat.

I've also read where Alaska has as much reserves as Saudi Arabia. If I can find the link I will post it.

Your grandkids will live in heated house and drive there cars, asssuming they get decent jobs, but it won't neccessarily be from oil.

The environment's already taken the backseat many times, which is one of the worst things we cand do, I think we really need to remember, were not the only ones who live here, we share this planet with hundreds of thousands of other species.

... when will these antioil fools realize there is nothing known to science as of yet that can replace oil. Hydro, solar, wind, blah blah blah NOTHING can even come CLOSE to the energy we get from oil. Want to change that fact? Put down the bong, go to school, try and help. Quit bitching about it and actually do something for a change.

We wont use our oil until we have finished tapping everywhere else. That's the point of keeping a reserve on hand... once everyone else is dry, we've got what's left.

Originally posted by apc
... when will these antioil fools realize there is nothing known to science as of yet that can replace oil. Hydro, solar, wind, blah blah blah NOTHING can even come CLOSE to the energy we get from oil. Want to change that fact? Put down the bong, go to school, try and help. Quit bitching about it and actually do something for a change.

We wont use our oil until we have finished tapping everywhere else. That's the point of keeping a reserve on hand... once everyone else is dry, we've got what's left.

Apart from running cars, nuclear power can replace any oil we use for power.
And true in small amounts solar power can't power things, but if we put up say solar collectors in orbit, we'd have more than enough.

Also, it's a bad generalisation to assume everyone who's against oil does drugs, I for one don't, honestly because they don't really work for me.

Also, I do try and do something about it, by learning about alternative energies, how they can be produced the best, and what there current statistics are.
I also design certain things in my own personal time that can have the potential to help.

By the time we finidsh the worlds wells off, whci I don't think will ever happen, we will hopefeully be using a renewable cleaner energy source.

There is certainly no need to go into a debate over why expecting nuclear power to solve everything is a true pipe dream.

I am quite versed in solar power. I run a few panels myself. Saves a few bucks during these summer months with the AC chewing away.

I happily generalize because people who make proclamations against oil and how we can't hurt the poor elk or fish, are usually high and spend most of their time unemployed. Just my experience talking...

Learning isn't doing.

Oil wont last. But there's no "hoping" for a replacement. Hope is a delusion. A fabrication of a weak unmotivated mind. Action is required. Without action, we will perish. And we'll probably take the environment down with us. So, kill a few coral today, or boil the oceans tomorrow.

I would guess that to an enviromentaist trees and elk and even the mating of the carabu in alaska come before your children, parents and real people. There isn't an alternative fuel now and won't be one for a long time. As for nuclear plants... the enviromentalists will have a word on not building them.

Put down the bong and go to school? .. Am I being confused as a hippy because I would rather preserve our forest, shorelines and nature reserves then to be able to light up every damn parking lot?? We do not need as much oil and other natural resources than we think if we used what we had better, or if the government built us a decent mass transist system. When we use every last drop of oil what happens then? We go back to the stone age because the oil barons refused to allow alternative research. Yeah, that is what I call inteligence.

or if the government built us a decent mass transist system.... Yeah, that is what I call inteligence.

I'll take the one liner just to say... thank you.

Not any time soon. Too many enviro people and he like not allowing it. I can understand not wanting to dumpoil all over the ground but look in Alaska now and you will see the extremely long pipeline there now isnt causing any problems. Drilling in Alaska isnt going to kill he environment because we can drill now with a very small impact on the earth and the caribo wont see much difference than a oil drill providing a scratching post and some shade.

We need to invest more in alt energy resources. We cant replace oil with one or even 2 alt energy resources but we will need many. Ethanol, biodiesel, nuke power, wind, solar still needs some work to be a more widespread option......its not just the govt that needs to do this, the people need to do it to because they are the ones that can make the greatest impact. I for one have invested a small amount in a biodiesel comp and a solar company. Put your money where your mouth is people and help support it.

Originally posted by PopeyeFAFL
I always understood that the USA will deplete the entire planet (on their terms, on the cheap in most case) before seriously using their own ressources. That is what powerful country, predator, scavenger do.

Then they would not be going around the world shutting down the oil supply driving up prices...

And by the way, the USA peak in 1970, and they will never produce more, now, that they did then.

They could produce far more then and they still can whenever they want to start investing and exploiting home grown resources.

Stellar

Originally posted by iori_komei
Hopefully never, there's a reason we don't get oil from these areas,
it would wreck the local environment.

Wrecking the local environment is a CHOICE and NOT the necessity the environmental nuts demands it to be. With the right kind of regulation ( even subsidy ; it's still better than spending it on aircraft carriers) there is no need for 'pollution' as that can all be managed quite effectively if that was your intent.

It's bad enough we actually use oil as it is, we don't need to be destroying
nature more than we already have trying to get oil from small reserves.

Nature need not be destroyed and most of that is very much by choice or general neglect.

Also, there's not much oil in Alaska, so it's really not worth it anyhow.

Define ' much' as there is certainly economically viable quantities by any stretch of the imagination. The pipeline kinda indicates as much unless you believe they are deliberately trying to go bankrupt..

Stellar

I would guess that to an enviromentaist trees and elk and even the mating of the carabu in alaska come before your children, parents and real people. There isn't an alternative fuel now and won't be one for a long time. As for nuclear plants... the enviromentalists will have a word on not building them.

Never having children, could care less about my parents, and the human race is'nt the most important species. We are the most suffisticated, yes, but not the most important, or superior species.

True, we can't just switch to an alternative fuel over night, but it could be done in a period of a decade or two, and there are viable alternative energy sources right now.

As for nuclear plants, well there a neccessary evil, though fusion plants would be nearly perfect, since they produce very little waste, I think it's like a cup of waste a year, or something like that.

Define ' much' as there is certainly economically viable quantities by any stretch of the imagination. The pipeline kinda indicates as much unless you believe they are deliberately trying to go bankrupt.

Much meaning there is'nt enough to support America by itself, and it's not like we're getting more and more from the places we have there, true we do get an economic amount, but that will start to become less and less until it's gone.