Masons: 2 things I KNOW they're hiding

Originally posted by btbomber
I have never in my life, heard of a "masonic school for children"

You're likely not alone, but at one time it was quite common. I know for certain that Kentucky had one (in Louisville) I've seen the campus just a few months ago(part of which is still utilized for other Masonic organizations and part of which has been renovated into a Masonic retirement home.)

www.masonichomesky.com...

Texas (as discussed above had one until very recently)

www.masonichome-exstudents.org...

Texas at one time had a Masonic college

www.tsha.utexas.edu...

as did Missouri

www.civilwaralbum.com...

and Tennessee

tennesseeencyclopedia.net...

Funny how those who hate Masonry claim Masons want to keep their membership ignorant, yet they have a history of supporting educational institutions.

"Behind the Belfour Declaration: Britain's Great War Pledge to Lord Rothschild"

Originally posted by schallb
"Behind the Belfour Declaration: Britain's Great War Pledge to Lord Rothschild"

Do you care to elaborate a bit? Provide a link? Some explanation? Or are we supposed to smack our heads and say "Oh! Of course!"

Freemasonry in the UK has a well established Masonic Schools program

www.rmtgb.org...

Originally posted by schallb
"Behind the Belfour Declaration: Britain's Great War Pledge to Lord Rothschild"

Schallb you should check out this thread. Looks like your itching to get into this topic. It's kind of out of place here. (a group of non-masonic ground keepers engaging in pedophilia in a Masonic school.)

f there are no secrets, why the bricked in windows at the Lodges? And why would they admit to anything when the first Rule is to guard the secrets?

Don’t you draw the curtains in your home?

Seriously though, the Masons take secrecy oaths but I doubt it includes covering up another mason’s criminal activity. (no masons helped out Paul Bernardo for example)

Most non-disclosure agreements are more binding than a mason’s secrecy oaths. What happens if you reveal secrets? Nothing. You get thrown out. That’s it.

The secrecy is part of the lure which attracts members. A ancient marketing gimmick.

Originally posted by hexrain1
This forum is halarious.

Yeah, and it's hilarious too.

I love all the masons that are here to "dispell" myths.

Thanks, but most of us are already spoken for.

I find it interesting to see how many masons frequent these forums.

That's good. I find it interesting that so many people on the Internet buy into all that weird stuff that's written about us on the more questionable websites. Apparently, the use of logic and reason isn't as popular as it used to be.

If there was no conspiracy, why are there so many masons on these forums trying to defend masonry from these claims. If someone insults me, I dont stand there to tell them why they are wrong for insulting me, I walk away because its not true.

Obviously, if some quack is on here ranting and raving about the Masons, it doesn't affect me personally. Nevertheless, I don't have a reason not to respond either. So I may as well set the record straight. That's what "denying ignorance" is about, after all, and ATS has wisely chosen Deny Ignorance as its motto.

My friend went to a Masonic school for children. He had no reason to lie about the things that went on there. You don't have to believe me, but I could tell by the look on his face it was painful to talk about. He told me that the children were brought in to special meetings where members of the order conviened. Afterwards the members could "pick" a child. I would rather not go into details, as my freind did not either. They molested him. But not just him. He told me all masonic organizations for children are like this. A buffet for paedophiles. Also, somewhat heresay, I've heard masons have a long history of being busted for child porn.

Such a charge like this is a particular serious one. I for one suggest that it is fictional, but I certainly invite you to present evidence to the contrary. I've been in Masonry for many years, and know many, many Masons, but have never heard of any Mason ever being "busted for child porn" or for child molestation in real life, but only from a couple of articles I've seen online, which may or may not be accurate. In any case, the instances have been isolated, and have had nothing to do with the Masonic Order.

When our forefathers came to this country (many being masons) they built masonic lodges on top of these sites.

Actually, this is not correct. Actual Lodge buildings were not built here until the 19th century. During the colonial days of our forefathers, Lodge meetings were held at the local taverns, who generally rented space to the Lodges.

Now if the symbol was laid on top of that, it would be pointing down to Malkut (earth). The goal of Kabbalah is to ascend to god, so pointing down would suggest moving farther away from god. Malkut (earth) is the material realm, therefore focusing on that is focusing on materialism, as opposed to spirituality. I translate this to mean they are trying to keep us asleep, to make us descend in spirituality by pumping energy into these symbols.

So you believe that folks can keep you asleep by pumping energy into symbols. Interesting....

Originally posted by Masonic LightSo you believe that folks can keep you asleep by pumping energy into symbols. Interesting....

He might be onto something, ML. I mean, the energy he's pumping into his posts is certainly putting me to sleep.

I can't stand these anti-mason people...it just shows how ignorant they are...Hexrain1, all you do is tell, and no show. Where are the links? When you told everyone about the molestation of the child in austin or wherever in Texas, thats all you did was TELL not SHOW. I'm considering joining the masonic brotherhood in the next year when i'm 18 and I know a couple of older men who are masons, and they don't do anything wrong. No molesting or anything. Just like someone posted before me: If one person of a group rapes/kills/steals/molests, does that mean that EVERYONE in that group is apart of that? Your just ridiculing the masons and pretty much just using "Guilt by Association". Come back with better facts.

p.s. I am not a mason..........yet

[edit on 8-8-2006 by AllinTheMind89]

mayby the sexual abuse endured by your freind was ritualistic in nature due to the fact that some masons are satanist's and use sexual abuse as a tool to manipulate people they wish to control.....

"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; Emphasis Added]

This statement is the most bold and concise anyone can create in the English language! It boldly states that, once the Mason learns to control his emotion, and to properly apply the "dynamo of living power", he can be assured of being able to control the "seething energies of Lucifer" in his hands. Further, he admits that Masonry is the Craft, the old name for Witchcraft! Further, all Satanists are assured that, if they will join the coven and learn the Craft, he will control the supernatural power of Satan, just as Manly P. Hall is promising here.

This is most powerful proof that Freemasonry is Satanism, because its language is direct and clear, not cluttered with deliberately confusing arcane language that only an insider can understand. Further, note that Hall and Reynold E. Blight are 33rd Degree Masons, while the Illustrator is 32nd Degree. Macoy Publishing Company is also one of the most respected of all Masonic Publishing Houses.

Anyone remember the Arizona Wilder video floating around the internet in which she describes the satanic ritual abuse she suffered this could be something like that, just throwing it out there as a possibility. I am truly sorry your friend had to go thru such a horrible experience hexrain 1 and hope your friend can find healing for his soul from such an experience. however given the secret teachings of the masons I would say their could be more like your friend out there who just dont talk about what happend to them.

However, Masonry also teaches standard Satanic lore about the Yin and Yang symbol. Listen: "Thus the monad [#1] and the duad [#2] were the phallus and kteis of the Greeks, the lingam and yoni of the Hindoos (sic) ... and the Yang and Yin of the Chinese ..." [George Oliver, The Historical Landmarks and Other Evidences of Freemasonry , New York, John W. Leonard and Company, 1855, p. 118]

The Yin and Yang symbol is also used to represent bisexuality and homosexuality within today's New Age Movement. It is also used to depict Divination. [Dr. C. Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, p. 19-22] Do not be deceived: Freemasonry depicts Yin and Yang a little differently than a traditional New Age, or occultist, or Satanist. They use the hexagram and the black and white tile floors; but, their belief in Yin and Yang is identical to the Satanist Mysteries. But, why should we be surprised, for Albert Pike told us that Freemasonry is "identical to the Mysteries."

very interesting read here about masonic use of sex and symbolisms.

[edit on 8-8-2006 by the_sentinal]

Originally posted by the_sentinal
mayby the sexual abuse endured by your freind was ritualistic in nature due to the fact that some masons are satanist's and use sexual abuse as a tool to manipulate people they wish to control.....

Really? Exactly which Mason is a satanist that uses sexual abuse as a tool to manipulate people they wish to control?

"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; Emphasis Added

This statement is the most bold and concise anyone can create in the English language! It boldly states that, once the Mason learns to control his emotion, and to properly apply the "dynamo of living power", he can be assured of being able to control the "seething energies of Lucifer" in his hands. Further, he admits that Masonry is the Craft, the old name for Witchcraft! Further, all Satanists are assured that, if they will join the coven and learn the Craft, he will control the supernatural power of Satan, just as Manly P. Hall is promising here.

This is most powerful proof that Freemasonry is Satanism, because its language is direct and clear, not cluttered with deliberately confusing arcane language that only an insider can understand. Further, note that Hall and Reynold E. Blight are 33rd Degree Masons, while the Illustrator is 32nd Degree. Macoy Publishing Company is also one of the most respected of all Masonic Publishing Houses.

The Hall quote is just fine and dandy, but it certainly doesn't show that Freemasonry has anything to do with satanism, and Manly Palmer Hall certainly wasn't a satanist (nor was he even a Mason when he wrote that book).

The complete quote from Hall, in context, follows:

The day has come when Fellow Craftsmen must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion, which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare. Incessant vigilance over thought, action, and desire is indispensable to those who wish to make progress in the unfolding of their own being, and the Fellow Craft's degree is the degree of transmutation. The hand that slays must lift the fallen, while the lips given to cursing must be taught to pray. The heart that hates must learn the mystery of compassion, as the result of a deeper and more perfect understanding of man's relation to his brother. The firm, kind hand of spirit must curb the flaming powers of emotion with an iron grip. In the realization and application of these principles lies the key of the Fellow Craft.

Now that we see what Hall was really saying, we know that it's the exact opposite of satanism.

However, Masonry also teaches standard Satanic lore about the Yin and Yang symbol.

Who told you the Yin and Yang were satanic? You do realize they are the ancient symbols of the Chinese philosophy of Taoism, right?

Anyone remember the Arizona Wilder video floating around the internet in which she describes the satanic ritual abuse she suffered this could be something like that

Has anyone noticed that Ms Greene ( aka Arizona Wilder) from her first appearance
is closely associated with ( maybe even shagging) David Icke? And David Icke ( the No Show contender here at ATS) is closely associated with Jack Chick, Texe Marr, Doc Marguilles,Michelle Pizner and her former Dr now husband,Bill Schoenenbolen , and the
rest of that cast of CHARACTERS.

Mengele @ China Lake , riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! anyone here other than me
from or familiar with that area? Ridgecrest? Trona?

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by the_sentinal
mayby the sexual abuse endured by your freind was ritualistic in nature due to the fact that some masons are satanist's and use sexual abuse as a tool to manipulate people they wish to control.....

Really? Exactly which Mason is a satanist that uses sexual abuse as a tool to manipulate people they wish to control?

I was mearly stating that mayby it was a possibility of the things stated in my quote..possibly the man that perpetrated the deeds on Hexrain 1's friend was a satanist..

The Hall quote is just fine and dandy, but it certainly doesn't show that Freemasonry has anything to do with satanism

I beg to differ, I think it shows very well what the author intended to get across and anyone reading the text quoted can make their own judgments.

[edit on 8-8-2006 by the_sentinal]

Originally posted by stalkingwolf

Anyone remember the Arizona Wilder video floating around the internet in which she describes the satanic ritual abuse she suffered this could be something like that

Has anyone noticed that Ms Greene ( aka Arizona Wilder) from her first appearance
is closely associated with ( maybe even shagging) David Icke?

Many people believe that the Arizona Wilder video was real, why would she lie??? what motive would she have?? also if you've seen david Ickes wife you would agree that to (shag Mr. Green) would be a serious step down

Originally posted by Masonic Light

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Now that we see what Hall was really saying, we know that it's the exact opposite of satanism.

In the esoteric system of satanism this could be understood as the exact opposite of the surface meaning......referencing Albert pike....

Pike then gives concrete evidence of Freemason's worship of Satan/Lucifer on the very front of the cover of Morals and Dogma ! Below the round seal of "God", Pike writes a phrase written in Latin, which proves to be a typical Satanic phrase. One look at this phrase would alert any Satanist that the contents of this book are Satanic! A Satanist would also understand immediately that all of Freemasonry is Satanic.

What is this phrase? "DEUS MEUMQUE JUS" The literal meaning is "God and My Right"

Former Illuminist Satanist Doc Marquis says this statement is a very typical one within Satanism. It has two meanings, one within the other. First, this phrase means that the Freemason can depend upon their God to determine their Right and Justice. Secondly, since the God of Freemasonry is Lucifer, Masons are saying that they are "using occult methods", through Lucifer, to achieve their Rights and Justice. Marquis says that this phrase is very powerful and very dangerous within Satanism. The second a Satanist sees this phrase in Latin on Pike's book, he knows the material within is Satanism, without reading a word!

Apparently there are more than two things masons are hiding .......

When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.

So, i realize i might seem a little one sided and i know this is not fair. therefore i'm going to refute this statement made by the_sentinal, that i feel is grossly wrong. not many people know this but in estoric traditions and even kabbalah and judaism, Lucifer was not assosiated with "satan." Lucifer translates to "the light bringer", meaning the light of knowledge, it was only when the cathiolic church came along that the name became synonomous with the devil. I'm guessing this was due to the fact that the catholic church wasn't interested in people obtaining knowledge (of g-d mind you). in fact their entire doctrine pretty much said that you can't talk to g-d except through a priest. so, what did they do? they demonized lucifer to seem like a bad guy. remember lucifer tempted eve with the fruit of KNOWLEDGE. yes, it did start the fall, but adam and eve's free will was the factor that decided man's fate, not the "power" of satan.

And, while were on this subject, the "satan" was not one being. The Satan were a GROUP of angels, the watchers, who fell from heaven. yes, supposedly they are the angels that dwell amongst us and do eveil things, but they are still angels. demon's ARE angels. demons still perform the will of g-d, we just don't understand that what they do, though it may seem "evil", is gods will, and therefore is really good. its a paradox, which happens a lot when talking about god. he/she can't be explained so simply given only human language as a means to express him/her. he/she is beyond words. furthermore, if you really are a monothiest, meaning belief in ONE g-d, then the devil is just an aspect of the one g-d. they are NOT seperate entities, and neither one is good or bad, they simply ARE.

i don't expect the masons to cheer for me for this comment but i hope this shows you guy6s im a little more fair than you think. I'm not going to let people make statements that are ininformed, niether will i make them myself, if i know them to be false.

Edit: had to add the he/she instead on just "he". and took out the o's in g-d. words are powerful things...

[edit on 8-8-2006 by hexrain1]

Originally posted by the_sentinal

I was mearly stating that mayby it was a possibility of the things stated in my quote..possibly the man that perpetrated the deeds on Hexrain 1's friend was a satanist..

Possibly. Or he was also possibly a Methodist, or a Rastafarian, or a member of the United Auto Workers of America. You see, speculation is endless, and really doesn't answer any questions.

I beg to differ, I think it shows very well what the author intended to get across and anyone reading the text quoted can make their own judgments.

When I quoted the complete Hall passage in context, we see that he said that folks should learn the mystery of comapssion by lifting the fallen, by praying for people instead of cursing them, and to come to a better understanding of the intimate relationship of the individual with the rest of mankind, by seeking the spiritual truths in life. If that's satanism, then I sure wish more people were satanists.

Originally posted by the_sentinal

In the esoteric system of satanism this could be understood as the exact opposite of the surface meaning......referencing Albert pike....



Pike then gives concrete evidence of Freemason's worship of Satan/Lucifer on the very front of the cover of Morals and Dogma ! Below the round seal of "God", Pike writes a phrase written in Latin, which proves to be a typical Satanic phrase. One look at this phrase would alert any Satanist that the contents of this book are Satanic! A Satanist would also understand immediately that all of Freemasonry is Satanic.

What is this phrase? "DEUS MEUMQUE JUS" The literal meaning is "God and My Right"

Former Illuminist Satanist Doc Marquis says this statement is a very typical one within Satanism. It has two meanings, one within the other. First, this phrase means that the Freemason can depend upon their God to determine their Right and Justice. Secondly, since the God of Freemasonry is Lucifer, Masons are saying that they are "using occult methods", through Lucifer, to achieve their Rights and Justice. Marquis says that this phrase is very powerful and very dangerous within Satanism. The second a Satanist sees this phrase in Latin on Pike's book, he knows the material within is Satanism, without reading a word!

Come on, you've got to be kidding! How is "God and My Right" supposed to be satanic? I don't follow your link, but you're obviously getting this stuff from either Jack Chick or Cutting Edge.

Concerning the so-called "former illuminist satanist Doc Marquis", here'severything you always wanted to know but were afraid to ask



[edit on 8-8-2006 by Masonic Light]

Originally posted by hexrain1


i don't expect the masons to cheer for me for this comment but i hope this shows you guy6s im a little more fair than you think.

Actually, I sort of agree. The serpent in the garden seems to be the Hebrew equivalent to Prometheus. In the classic Greek myth, it was Prometheus who stole fire from heaven (representing knowledge) and delivered it to man, against the orders of Zeus.

Of course, Prometheus is eternally punished for the offense, but somehow still feels that his actions were justified. He thus becomes the archetypal rebel and freedom fighter, similar to the Lucifer of Milton.