American "Space Marines": I think they're real, up there now and ready for WAR

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
G'day all,


the above link is about Vladimir Putin warning the US about not militarizing space, you see, the whole world is worried about the US militarising space for when one nation holds the monopoly of poower in space, they effectly control the planet and have the stealth ability to strike anywhere anytime without anyone knowing what is coming and there is a real threat of another space based arms race that nobody will win, because the costs involved would make the Cold War costs pale in significance and countries will run the real risk of bankruptng their economies if they havnt started a space based world war 4 already.

Well since we buried the USSR with about 5% of our GDP and we're the world's most powerful nation with 4% of our GDP, I say bring it on. That's right people, for all your clueless bleating about how much America spends on defense, the fact is it's 4% of GDP, a PALTRY amount and it's not going bankrupt America, EVER.

For the record, I don't think anyone from earth has ever been in contact with aliens nor is America in possession of any military space fleet.

Originally posted by Murcielago
Your whole idea is utterly stupid.

and please provide a link about russia having "gunner pods" on the cold war era space station...cause I havn't heard of that...and very highly doubt it.

I dont think there will be "space marines" for at least another 15-20 years.

Murielago, whilst most of the post is fanatasy the Russian did put a gun in space (as well as the failing with the Polyus Defensive Platform which failed to reach operational orbit and was bought down into the Pacific) Salyut 3 carried a 23 mm Nudelmann aircraft cannon (other sources say it was a Nudelmann NR-30 30 mm gun) which was test fired destroying a target satellite.

I first read in my son Guiness Book of Record (Most Heavily Defend Space Vehicle) and then searched on the net for more info.


I post about this sometime ago Soviet Space Weaponary

Also, that bloke who hacked into the Pentagons computer networks stated he found details of US fleets and ships which were non existent in any Naval fleet and officers which didnt exist on any ships at sea, thereby assuming that they were extra terrestrial Naval fleets.

Actually...He was looking through governments pc networks for proof that the US has reversed engineered alien spacecraft...and his search was unsuccessful...he found nothing of the such.
And just last month that lucky guy got a free plane ride (from the UK) to the US, courtesy of the US Gov...The guy is now facing up to 70 years in jail and 2 million in fines.



Actually what happened was pretty odd about that guy he sure was shipped to USA and faces jail for that little hack he did the US GOV sure wanted him bad for that? makes you wonder if theres some truth behind his story eh............ cause they sure wanted him shut up.

popeye - thanks for the info...I didn't know that.
Did a little research on it and found out that after they fired the gun the whole station shook, and after that all manned test firings wewre cancelled.

Originally posted by blobby
Actually what happened was pretty odd about that guy he sure was shipped to USA and faces jail for that little hack he did the US GOV sure wanted him bad for that? makes you wonder if theres some truth behind his story eh............ cause they sure wanted him shut up.

No, the fact is there going to make an example of him...and he will likely be in a cell until he dies.

What?
Of course space marines exist. If it wasn't for the imperium, how else would the fringes stave off Tyranid attacks?

Originally posted by Murcielago
Every nation on earth doesn't want the US to militarize space...the reason being is that they dont have the technology and money to counter us doing just that.

That is one reason but not the only reason. I'm a citizen of the US and a veteran and believe the weaponization of space is a bad idea for many reasons. If I'm not mistaken, the US has already signed a treaty banning it. Of course that doesn't mean anything to the people calling the shots. There are probably already anti-satellite platforms in space. I don't think particle beams or high powered lasers are beyond the realm of possibility. They may not be currently deployed, but you can bet they've already begun research and development for the technology.

Originally posted by Murcielago
No, the fact is there going to make an example of him...and he will likely be in a cell until he dies.

I highly doubt that. I'd wager he ends up doing less than 10 years.
If he's lucky he'll get a slap on the wrist and become a consultant.

The Outer Space Treaty (1967) that US, USSR, and the UK originally signed bans all nuclear weapons or WMD’s from space, it does NOT ball all weapons from space. Accordingly, defensive or offensive systems which are not considered WMD’s are perfectly legal.

Multilateral agreement signed and ratified between the U.S., U.S.S.R., and U.K. banning:

1. ...placement of nuclear weapons or "weapons of mass destruction" in orbit around the Earth.

2. ...installation of nuclear weapons or "weapons of mass destruction" on the moon, on any other celestial body, or in outer space.

3. ...use of the moon or any celestial body for military purposes, including weapons testing of any kind.

Ninty five nations have ratified the treaty. The treaty entered into force on October 10, 1963.

Link

Anti-satellite weapons are mostly likely already deployed, and they aren't all space based. The next generation ant-satellite weapons are already being designed and so are space based interceptor missiles and lasers which will target hostile ICBM’s.

Originally posted by Schaden
If he's lucky he'll get a slap on the wrist and become a consultant.

Though I doubt he’s going to get 70 years I don't think he’ll get a slap on the wrist either, much less a desk job. This one will be made an example off, its the principle that's at stake here.

[edit on 5-8-2006 by WestPoint23]

I dont think right now there are so called "space marines" except in Halo. If they are doing something secret they would first have to build the place. They can't use the international space station because it is not just americans on there.

Any of you guys know or have actually met people who work in specific highly trained very hazardous occupations...or " teams" of people working in hazardous occupations.

How about commercial skin divers. Any of you know how dangerous this occupation is?? Pay may be nice but the hazards are also commensurate with the pay.
How about nuclear workers...they are not actually scarce but they are not exactly coming out of the woodwork either. THe training and skill levels eliminate many people ..especially when you go into certain aspects of this type of work..it naturally eliminates many.

HOw about submariners?
Pilots?

It is just that the concept of Marines or even Army people working and fighting in space or even transiting through space currently is comical.

Some of you need to take a close look at these specialty fields and see how often or how many can even pass a piss test...or even pass the psychological requirements for this type of trade. IF you dont pass this test ..regularly ..you wash out.

You are talking about having to develope a process of filtering out 1000 or maybe 2000 people before you can even find one which meets the requirements. And then the training will filter out more than one of these people at which you have finally arrived.

So much of this kind of stuff looks good on paper or on the Si Fi channel..it is just difficult to maintain a crew like this ...or retain good help so to speak.

Suggest some of you read Tom Wolfe in his book "The Right Stuff" and see what was eliminated to get the first Mercury Seven Astronauts. Then on to the Gemini and Apollo projects. Get a idea ..of how many people fell by the wayside to get the ones they finally settled on and you now hear their names in history book or programs.

This kind of thing may be done eventually but it will mostly be done with automated equipment..not humans per se.

Now I realize this is Si Fi..but if cloning eventually becomes practical and economical the.. Blade Runner phenomonon where specially bred disposable humans for this kind of hazardous trade will then occur. This will be for the purpose of furthering trade...and "buisness." Disposable people just like a piece of equipment. Owned, operated, and terminated by the "company."

As to how much stuff is actually in outer space..I can assure you much of it was not put there by the space shuttle. Certain critical heavy payloads have been put up there by "special" space shuttle missions. No doubt. The problem is the space shuttle is to public. To many people know when one is going up..difficult to hide.
What you are looking for is those launchs done at Vandenburg AFB or other places ...and put on the far end of page 35 of the newspaper...way in the corner..down at the bottom....about a paragraph long... Check out the number of this type of launches have gone on historically...far more than the shuttle.

Another thing...time and space for putting equipment on a rocket and into orbit is at a premium. There is a huge backlog of stuff waiting for a ride. With this in mind where are you going to fit in "space marines" and the support equipment to sustain them for any period of time. This is why I say automation is the name of this game.

This idea looks good on paper..but......

Thanks,
Orangetom

Not to confirm any classified information; "Space Marines" is not really correct, think more along the lines of a unique unit of the Astronaut Corp comprised of a cross section of Air Force Combat Controllers with Special Forces type structure focused on Delta Team tactics (small unit - specialized mission). Primary mission select satellite destruction/virus infection, command & control function w/emphasis on theatre command functional assesments after a electromagnetic pulse pin-point operation.

Keep digging, but look at "Mission Specialists' backgrounds (why Navy Seals, SF ???). No one stationed long-term; just a cadre of trained, space walk experienced special operatives with the ability to operate individual missions to "A" Team style missions.

COL (Retired) Pax Mortis

If the russians have a space station, do you think the U.S. don't have one?

They most have more than one and the air force is using it to develop anti satelite weapons and anti missile weapons from space. China and Russia use satelites for the missile guidence and intelligence image. If a war started between them U.S. will try to take those satelite out and don't be surprise if Russia have a weapon just like it.

Remember that all the weapons that the military shows to the public are old one's. The new one's are secret.

The best tactic in war is being unpredictable.

OK, the first thing I thought of when I read the topic title was:

"You wanna pice of me, boy?"

But, seriously, do you have any proof to back up your claims?

Originally posted by ShreddedIce
OK, the first thing I thought of when I read the topic title was:

"You wanna pice of me, boy?"

But, seriously, do you have any proof to back up your claims?

That made me Laugh!!

I wouldnt think that there is any proof for this type of Operations, It would just be too top secret

I bet we even have people on other planets by now...
We are just slaves not allowed to know anything.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Though I doubt he’s going to get 70 years I don't think he’ll get a slap on the wrist either, much less a desk job. This one will be made an example off, its the principle that's at stake here.

I was thinking there is an outside chance of it, but most likely he'll do a good chunk of time. The slap on the wrist part would come if he could somehow "graymail" the govt to not prosecute fully, to avoid disclosure of whatever sensitive things he may have hacked. But I agree, it is unlikely. Kevin Mitnick got 5 years but is now performing consulting work for the type of corporations he broke into. This hacker definitely has talent if he accessed all of these classified govt systems. Since it doesn't appear to be espionage, I think something similiar will happen. He'll serve his time and then go into information security consulting.

If there is any type of military combat force that operates in space, it would likely be pilots, using special variants of the latest and greatest black world aerospace craft. I can't see any scenario where army/marine combat training would be useful.
I don't imagine us boarding alien spaceships and fighting to the death w/ infantry laser weapons ala star wars.

Considering the distance we've been is only the moon i hardly think that the USA
or any other super power can hold a monopoly in space.

Originally posted by blobby
Actually what happened was pretty odd about that guy he sure was shipped to USA and faces jail for that little hack he did the US GOV sure wanted him bad for that? makes you wonder if theres some truth behind his story eh............ cause they sure wanted him shut up.

Well he found list's of the names of 'ships' being operated by NASA ( which they never admitted having - or not having) and even rosters of supposed 'shuttle' ( there and back on regular basis) missions between the Earth and moon.

I can see why they want to put him away.

Stellar

Originally posted by Murcielago
Your whole idea is utterly stupid.

and please provide a link about russia having "gunner pods" on the cold war era space station...cause I havn't heard of that...and very highly doubt it.

I dont think there will be "space marines" for at least another 15-20 years.

its very feasable and possible. improbable from what we have seen so far. stupid, no.

Originally posted by Number23
Well since we buried the USSR with about 5% of our GDP and we're the world's most powerful nation with 4% of our GDP, I say bring it on.

Looking for fights is kinda immature and it may be 4-5$ of GDP but it was much nearer 20-25 % of ACTUAL revenue on the LOWEST end after starting out round the 50% margin in the 40's and 50's.

www.whitehouse.gov...

That's right people, for all your clueless bleating about how much America spends on defense, the fact is it's 4% of GDP, a PALTRY amount and it's not going bankrupt America, EVER.

It may not be bankrupting the state but it sure is bankrupting middle America. As i said 4-5 of GDP sounds GREAT but it's pretty meaningless considering 1 out of every 5 dollars still goes to defence OFFICIALLY ( not mentioning whatever their doing below desk).

For the record, I don't think anyone from earth has ever been in contact with aliens nor is America in possession of any military space fleet.

I suggest you stick to things you can research properly as you seem to have great trouble just managing that.

Stellar

Originally posted by StellarX
Well he found list's of the names of 'ships' being operated by NASA ( which they never admitted having - or not having) and even rosters of supposed 'shuttle' ( there and back on regular basis) missions between the Earth and moon.

he never mentioned the Shuttle once, let alone it going to the moon...which BTW isn't possible, Its rockets can only get it to ISS altitudes.

He says he saw names of "non-terrestrial officers", which he then assumed meant that the US must have a secret space station. And he even admits he was stoned when finding all this information.

this guys a joke.