Syria moving into position

Originally posted by princeofpeace
So Islmic Jihad are terrorist but Hizballah are not?

Personally, I wouldn't describe Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation. They were formed as a resistance group to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, akin to French resistance fighters.

They too blew stuff up as well as fought the Germans. The Germans called the terrorists but we called them Freedom fighters..See where I am going?

Hezbollah are a Geurilla organisation. They do use very questionable tactics, but are still a Geurilla Army.

Hamas, on the other hand, are terrorists. They don't go toe to toe with the IDF, instead they blow up buses and shops. Thats terrorist.

Do you see the distinction?

Yep. If an attack is committed and the offender is taken out quickly then it was a terrorist act. If however, a strong resistance is put up then they are no longer terrorist, but rather an army.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Yep. If an attack is committed and the offender is taken out quickly then it was a terrorist act. If however, a strong resistance is put up then they are no longer terrorist, but rather an army.

Your being a bit too simplistic again.

Say Hezbollah did what Hamas do and suicide bombed buses or trains. Thats terrorism. The use of violence to coerce a civilian population through the terror of the attack.

Hezbollah dont do this. They are a Geurilla force carrying out Geurilla attacks.

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They were a force used to fight against Israel when it was in Lebanon. But why did they continue to exist after Israel pulled out and asked the Lebanese govt to enforce the border and try to keep peace.?

If you target civilians( purposely killing them or launching something just hoping to hit and kill something without prejudice, you're a terrorist in my book. But we all have our own books, so....

They were a force used to fight against Israel when it was in Lebanon. But why did they continue to exist after Israel pulled out and asked the Lebanese govt to enforce the border and try to keep peace.?

Because they want their prisonners back. They didn't have any trials and a lot of them are childrens, woman and old people. Give them back their prisonners, step back from the occupied land, and Hezbollah will no longer exist.

Well if what you say is true( them being children, women and old people; or otherwords harmless people) then I agree, let them go but all I have heard is that Israel is holding combatant prisoners. Do you have a source I can read that they hold civilians. I'd like to read it?

And what do you mean by occupied land? Are you reffering to Israels current presence in Lebanon?

Syria will have a giant dump tossed down upon their shoulders should they even inch their way to any border. What fools they are to think and/or act otherwise.

Dallas

from what I now understand, yesterday's shotdown of a Hezbollah drone signalsthe start of a new phase in the conflict. I'm going to assume that means they have smuggled in some new longer-ranged missiles. I wouldnt be surprised to see the appearance of a SCUD-a in the next few days. If that turns out to be true, we may see tensions with Syria increase.

To get the most out of these improved weapons, Hezbollah would need to have observers inside Israel to assess hit locations. This might not be too hard, given the extent of cell phone coverate in that part of the world.

So didnt Syria say that they would get involved if Israel invaded Lebanon?
So when the talks break down and the Israeli's go in this weekend, I wonder what Syria will do, I have not been able to glean any more information from my source on possible redeployment out to Syria, Does anyone have any sources for Troop and Military movements in Syria?

Thanks

Thats the million dollar question. Probably just sabre rattling by Syria. They said they would defend Lebanon if invaded, well we are weeks past that point. Then Nasralla said Tel Aviv would be hit if Israel resumed airstrikes on Beirut after the "48 hour cease-fire" last week. Well israel has been hitting Beirut. Syria has been saying if Israel comes in deeper in lebanon then they will do something. Its anyone's guess, but Syrian and Iranian statements about "what they will do" has been nothing but talk so far.

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I think Syria is already involved, they just call themselves Hezbollah. I read
somewhere that Isreal military leaders say the war in Lebanon is being run
by the Syrian military out of a border town with Lebanon. How could a group
of militants or terrorists fire 3300+ rockets at Isreal and put up such
a fierce fight.

[edit on 9-8-2006 by u4itornot]
DEBKAfile’s military sources disclose: Hizballah’s rocket offensive against Israel is orchestrated from a rear command located in the Syrian town of Anjar

August 7, 2006, 12:41 PM (GMT+02:00)

While Israeli officials keep on insisting that Syria must be kept out of the conflict, the fact is that the Assad regime is already in it up to their ears – with a leading role in the Hizballah rocket attacks on northern Israel.

The command which coordinates the pace of those attacks is located at the Anjar base of the Syrian Army’s 10th Division opposite the Lebanese town of Az Zabdani.



[edit on 9-8-2006 by u4itornot]

So far as I know, the Syrian Army has forward deployed theri OP's. They should be able to roll their mobile forces in to staging areas inside of eight hours or less. It's worth noting that the Syrians are in barracks less than ten minutes drive from the Lebanese border. they've got their lanes of traffic pegged out, and they've probably got supply trucks loaded.

Iranians have been found among the dead in Lebanon. Interesting is it now?

Originally posted by SenHeathen
Iranians have been found among the dead in Lebanon. Interesting is it now?

So there are no Americans ,Australians or other nationals in Israels army? I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Just the other day 3 IDF died and 1 was an american, the other was an Australian and the other a Russian. Wow! USA, Australia and Russia are attacking Lebanon now omg the sky is falling. It was in Haaretz and the referred to them as "Lone Soldiers" since they went to Israel to fight and had no families in israel. They just went for the target practice. They should have stayed home they'd be alive.

Very true, they would be alive.

The big question in this is; “Was the IRG members sent by the Iranian govt, or did they go as individuals as the American, Australian and Russian did?”

What isn’t Russia supposed to be on the side of Syria and Iran so they can end the world? Oh grude, so many conspiracy theories on here I may be getting them intertwined.

As you may recall, elements in Iraq and Iran have called for Johadis to make their way to Lebanon to hook up with Hezbollah. The IRG has a long history of sending reps to conflicts like this to coorindate resupply and validate intelligence before it gets passed backto their masters.

IRG members are also known to act as technical advisors. We should assumethat the Hez are now in posession of SCUD-a systems. Recent news would suggest that they are also getting anti-tank mines and should-fired ATGM's. This should be viewed as an escallation.

Now that the IDF has come to play with all its toys, we can expect to see more fireworks and higher body counts. Third-party sources suggest that the Syrians are sweeping land mines from their side of the border, which strongly suggests they are preparing to jump in.

Originally posted by SenHeathen
Very true, they would be alive.

The big question in this is; “Was the IRG members sent by the Iranian govt, or did they go as individuals as the American, Australian and Russian did?”

What isn’t Russia supposed to be on the side of Syria and Iran so they can end the world? Oh grude, so many conspiracy theories on here I may be getting them intertwined.

Well would it really matter at this point? Could anyone prove that those IDF soldiers were not sent as specialists by their respective governments? How often have we sent American "technicians" to israel before in past battles? Its not like its uncommon or never before seen. Its also not something they or any other government would admit to if its a clandestine operation. Just as there are Jews in other countries who feel that they wish to defend Israel there will be muslims that may feel the same way about lebanon. I mean its not like both sides don't know who is getting what weapons from who at this point, the news is just being released as a "OoOoO and Ahhhh" factor. Do you know if he was in uniform or did they ID him with passport?

I didn't mean to make it like I was getting on your case but just wanted to let you know that this is not a once sided happening.

U.S. Family Lays 'Lone Soldier' Son to Rest in Israel

By Molly Moore
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, August 4, 2006; Page A13

JERUSALEM, Aug. 3 -- Three weeks ago, 21-year-old Staff Sgt. Michael Levin was back with his family in the Philadelphia suburbs, hanging out with his twin sister and making plans to study medicine after he finished his tour with the Israeli military this fall.

When war erupted between Israel and Hezbollah fighters in southern Lebanon, Levin cut short his home leave and joined his paratroop unit on Israel's northern border.

U.S. Family Lays 'Lone Soldier' Son to Rest in Israel

I don't think Syria will be involve, unless Israël attack them or attack Iran. Why? Because Russia is behind Syria. Russia is building military ports in Syria to place a big part of their navy there to counter Israël and NATO influence. So I think Russia kept back Syria from attacking Israël to not loose their strategic place. They are waiting till the perfect moment, when Russia will have their navy there, to attack Israël and USA at the same time.

Just my 2 cents.

And at the same time...Russia may have made mistake. Depending on how far Israel takes this thing.

And I'm not trying to get on yours or anyone elses case and didnt take your reply as getting on mine. Just debating the info and trying to figure out whats going on.

It doesnt make much difference but the person above was IN the Israeli military, not a US "observor".


Does anyone know if we have any soldier or"observors" or whatever you wanna call em in Israel serving as American troops?