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Children arrested, DNA tested, interrogated and locked up... for playing in a tree

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posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 07:54 AM
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I guess I can see this from a bunch of angles. I lived in a small city neighborhood that had a small forest. All the local kids played in the forest. We often built treehouses and yes, we on many occasions cut down entire trees to fashion "bigger" forts.

The "woods" behind my house was where I grew up. We fashioned fortresses out there.

And no one cared.

But as the children got older, the "forts" became hangouts, and the "games" became vandalism.

So to answer the (very odd) DNA angle, perhaps there was a large spring of vandalism.. the cops patrolled the local "woods" and nabbed the suspected perps for something miniscue as tree defacement, and DNA swabbed them to see if they matched the 'poo' smeared all over someone's front door.

We don't know the full story, so honestly, it's quite difficult to put a rock solid spin on this article. But I'm sure Alex Jones will try.



[edit on 8/3/2006 by QuietSoul]




posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 08:32 AM
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This wouldn't even have been news when I was growing up and parents would have expected nothing less from the police.

Children are treated like royalty these days and believe they can get away with anything. I grew up not traumatized but to respect property, the law and my elders.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Ah sounds like the NWO testing public reaction to their future plan of operations. In the future if you are caught committing any public crime like littering they will throw you in jail and demand a DNA sample from you.


Heaven forbid they begin asking for semen samples.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Ok...This one is interesting.

If we have learned everything that happened in this incident, then I think the policemen should lose their jobs. Why is taking limbs off of a cherry tree a crime where you need to give up a DNA sample? They took their mugshots...For what?
Lastly, taking a kids shoes and socks so they don't kill themselves is insane, and acclomplishes nothing.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 02:57 PM
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[sarcasm]In case no one has noticed, we are at WAR! The terrorists strap bombs to kids and send them into checkpoints. And if you think that only happens in Iraq, please note all the Muslim influence moving through Europe. France had their hands full with roving bands of juvenille gangs a few months back. They broke shop windows, burned cars, and turned the streets into a hellzone.

Britian knows how to deak with terrorists, they have been doing it with the IRA for 30 years! At least they have the decency to drop the false pretensions of niceities and freedom where there is no freedom and give everyone the same treatment across the board![/sarcasm]

With that said I will admit there needs to be some fine tuning. An assessment of the situation should have been done before taking action to make arrests. As an example we had a little girl up here in our city selling lemonade from a stand. The city came down on her fur unpaid city tax and shut her operation down. Now and then we will hear about incidents like these, but they are not continuous because they are not policy.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 02:59 PM
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officers who responded to complaints from the public about "kids destroying" an ornamental cherry tree by stripping every branch from it,



There are 2 sides to every story; I would be pretty upset if this statement is true and this tree was in my neighborhood.

There is a big difference between breaking off a branch or two while climbing a tree, and stripping every branch off it and destroying it. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Here in New York, if any adult were caught willfully destroying a tree they would be arrested and charged with a violation or possibly even a class d misdemeanor.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 03:27 PM
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ANYONE WHO THINKS A SINGLE DNA SAMPLE IS TRASHED AFTER FIVE YEARS, I OFFER ONE WORD, "WRONG!!"
THEYRE COLLECTING DNA WHERE THEY CAN, BECAUSE THEY CAN, BECAUSE IN THE END GAME, THEY SHALL COLLECT AS MANY SAMPLES AS POSSIBLE. PERIOD.

ITS CLEAR THEY WANT DNA SAMPLES FROM EVERYONE, EVERYONE.

ITS NOT CONSPIRATORIAL RHETORIC, ITS OBVIOUS THERE IS A CRAZED POLICE MENTALITY IN AMERICA.

KIDS ARE EASY TARGETS, IF THEY GET DNA FROM THE KIDS FROM VACCINE ROOMS TO CLASS ROOMS TO SCIENCE FAIRS, TO HOSPITALS, FROM BIRTH PERHAPS, THEY WILL HAVE DNA SAMPLES FROM EVERYONE SOON ENOUGH.

THE WHY IS THE QUESTION, NOT WHAT THEY DID TO THE POOR KIDS. WHEN I WAS A KID CLIMBING A TREE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WAS SOMETHING THE COP SAID, 'HEY GET DOWN, ITS PVT PROPERTY, DONT DO IT AGAIN' AND NOTHING HAPPENED UNLESS WE DISREGARDED THE COPS WORDS...

JUST ARRESTING THEM FOR SUCH A STUPID THING IS OVERKILL. AND KEEPING THEM IN A CELL INSTEAD OF SEATED IN A CHAIR, IF THEY HAD TO TAKE THEM DOWNTOWN TO BEGIN WITH, IS OVERKILL. TAKING A DNA SAMPLE AS A MATTER OF ROUTINE, IDIOCY.

WHEN COPS ARE STRETCHED SO THIN AS IT IS, AND IN BAD ASSED NEIGHBORHOODS, WHY WASTE THE MANHOURS, (AS IF COPS GET PAID MORE THAN PEANUTS FOR WHAT THEY DO TO BEGIN WITH)
ITS JUST A WASTE OF LABOUR HOURS IF NOTHING MORE,

ITS IDIOTIC FOR A THOUSAND REASONS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT ITS INVASIVE...

AND YES, TAKING SALIVA FROM INSIDE A HUMANS MOUTH IS INVASIVE, CATEGORICALLY, ITS THEFT TOO, ITS NOT FOR YOU OR ME TO ESTABLISH THE VALUE OF SOMEONE ELSES BODY PARTS, AND TO TAKE DNA WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT FOR ANYTING BUT A VIOLENT CRIME, OR A LONG LONG RAP SHEET TO BACK IT UP...

REDICULOUS, ALL OF IT



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 03:42 PM
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Taking DNA samples is pretty common now. When I was 16 after I finished through the BS court process my DNA was taken. The DNA gets taken to keep in a database for any investigationg of future crimes. If you were actually allowed in the holding area of the courthouse on the juvenile floor, you will see just about every kid there who is on the final court date anyways get a DNA sample taken. It happened to me, and several others at the time I was there. It happens everyday, in every city.

I do find it unusual that samples were taken before a conviction, that is rather unorthodox. At least it was probably their first offense, they did not have to spend time in a detention center.

Anyojne consider this may have actually been an attack on their parents? Are they children of city government board members, law enforcement, or attorneys?

[edit on 8/3/2006 by DYepes]



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 03:47 PM
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Any article that puts an emotional spin (tells you how to feel) on any situation, is not doing it's job.
The job of the reporter/newspaper is to provide all the known and unknown facts (as in; "initial reaction of the children toward the officers is unknown"), and leave it at that. Based on the information given, you should be able to make up your own mind. In my opinion articles should sound almost robot-like when it comes to presenting facts,..... so that one doesn't become trapped by the reporter's own potentially biased opinions. I would like to read the arresting officers' version, as well as the childrens' version of the story.

Children need discipline. Not all children receive discipline from their parents, so the law enforcement sometimes must step in. Some children will listen when you tell them nicely that they've done something wrong. Other children will say "O.K.", and when you turn your back, they're back to doing the same thing you told them not to do. Some children will downright defy you no matter how much sense you make.
I think some of you need to realize that not all children are little angels who will hang on every word that comes out of your mouth.
--Do we know what attitudes these children had toward the officers when approached by them?
--Do we know how these children were raised, and what their parents were doing at the time of the "crime"?
--Do we know whether the parents or children would have cared if the officers had simply escorted them home?
--How do the neighbors feel about these particular children, and their "playing"?
--If these were good kids, why didn't one of the neighbors simply come by and say; "Hey, what you kids are doing is wrong. Please stop."?


There is no doubt in my mind that sometimes Police officers use excessive force, and maybe they overreacted this time as well,.....but we just don't know enough about this particular situation to say "Oh those poor little darlings! They had to spend a little time (2 hours) inside a jail cell, even though they didn't deserve it! They'll be traumatized for the rest of their lives!" We also don't know enough to say they did deserve it.

The likelihood of experiencing something more traumatizing in life than spending 2 hours in jail are GREAT. These kids will most likely remember this moment for the rest of their lives. In fact it will probably help them deal better with more stressful situations! It will teach them what not to do next time. One of the posters here seems to have learned that lesson and claims it has had positive effects on him,... yet I get the feeling that he wouldn't wish it on anyone else?

When I was a kid, I was disciplined when I did something wrong. I was all too familiar with the ole' leather belt. I hated it, I hated my parents for punishing me in such a way (and I made sure to play the part in order to win their pitty), but I would be lying if I said it didn't work. I would have taken 2 hours in jail over a beating with the belt any time. I've also been approached by two officers for something I did not do. Was it a comfortable feeling? Definitely not. Am I traumatized,...hiding under my desk? Nope. Am I advocating beatings? No,.... but I definitely advocate some form of discipline.
Look back when you were children. Did you ever lie about something you did wrong? Did you always own up to the irresponsible/destructive things you did,....especially if you knew your parents would be angry with you? I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Isn't it possible that these children aren't disclosing all the information?
As for their parents claiming that these were 'good' children,.... I've heard parents defend their children after these children had been reprimanded by their teachers for beating a school-mate senseless. Sometimes parents don't want to admitt they've been doing a crappy job raising their children.

I think we all need to calm down, and stop being outraged about everything, before we know all the facts. This is only my opinion of course. I certainly can't expect everyone to feel the same way I do.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by PhillyReikiMaster

ANYONE WHO THINKS A SINGLE DNA SAMPLE IS TRASHED AFTER FIVE YEARS, I OFFER ONE WORD, "WRONG!!"
THEYRE COLLECTING DNA WHERE THEY CAN, BECAUSE THEY CAN, BECAUSE IN THE END GAME, THEY SHALL COLLECT AS MANY SAMPLES AS POSSIBLE. PERIOD.

ITS CLEAR THEY WANT DNA SAMPLES FROM EVERYONE, EVERYONE.

ITS NOT CONSPIRATORIAL RHETORIC, ITS OBVIOUS THERE IS A CRAZED POLICE MENTALITY IN AMERICA.


I wonder how you'll feel about taking people's DNA if one of your family members ever get murdered, and the Police can't find a DNA match for the murderer responsible. But,..if only they had taken a DNA sample from that man/woman years ago when he/she was caught for vandalism, shoplifting, etc. etc. maybe the case could come to a close.

There are negative AND positive aspects of taking someone's DNA. I understand why people on ATS would argue for the conspiracy or "CRAZED POLICE MENTALITY", but please don't ignore the positive side of this as well. There are many cold cases left unanswered, because the Police cannot identify the culprit. Sometimes it takes them decades to find the killer. Having everyone's DNA on hand would help them solve a lot of these crimes, and help families finally put things to rest.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 04:27 PM
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THE ONLY THING THAT DISGUSTS ME MORE THEN THE HOW THE POLICE HANDLED THIS SITUATION IS THE PRO "SEND KIDS TO JAIL FOR SIMPLE PLAY" REPLIES THAT I HAVE READ ON THIS THREAD!


DISGUSTING! I HATE COPS!

AND ALOT OF THIS REPLIES ARE REDICULOUS! I BET THOSE OF YOU WHO REPLIED SIDING WITH THE COPS WOULD NOT BE SAYING THIS IF YOU YOURSELF WERE ARRESTED AT AGE 12 FOR SUCH NONESENSE.



THIS IS BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This story and some of the replies are pisting the f# out of me!



I guess no one has sympathy for kids. Goddamn. I expected a more bright bunch of members here, but I guess I was wrong.


In short: The kids were mistreated and the cops handled the situation incorrectly, just like they usually do. Period.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 04:38 PM
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Man,

What is the world coming to,
Kids climbing trees, how dare they.

And, that anti-social behavior mentioned.
Those darned anti-social kids..climbing trees, hanging out with friends.
Hanging out with friends? sheesh, how anti-social can you get?

Next thing you know, they'll probably end up going to one of those School dances, with
a rock band, or something. Now that's anti-social behavior!



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 04:50 PM
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Running the world.

If these were my children....

Each and every cop involved would be looking for a job in another universe after I sued them until they had nothing including the clothes on the back...



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 05:00 PM
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Yuk. This whole argument is going to be biased one way or the other. There is no happy medium.

I suppose, then, it is O-K for 10 yr. old Gypsy kids to take knives onto playgrounds and threaten their peers? Or maybe rape and torch young girls in the woods (That actually happened, purpertrated by a 15 yr. old in HU recently)?

Perhaps the responsibility doesn't rest in the hands of the cops, but rather the parents. Such antics should not get so out of hand in the first place because the police are the final line of defense. And if the parents don't do their job then the police will.

I pay good money for them to be there. If someone doesn't like it then maybe they should try to get the laws changed. Get politically active, join some local groups, circulate petitions, vote and go proactive. Just bitching about it doesn't do anyone a grain of good.

And maybe some training to assess a situation would help too.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 05:09 PM
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voxel 25cents stop it both of you your acting like children now i dont live in britain but i do know that timeless test is right the mail could have made the police look like a bunch of sisi's and i also know that the police completly overeacted and it is wrong to lock up kids for being kids millions of children make treehouses climb trees and do all that but maybe we could all be quiet and ponder on the information that you have and stop typing the first thing that comes to mind now try and think about what we do know then post something



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Matyas
Yuk. This whole argument is going to be biased one way or the other. There is no happy medium.

I suppose, then, it is O-K for 10 yr. old Gypsy kids to take knives onto playgrounds and threaten their peers? Or maybe rape and torch young girls in the woods (That actually happened, purpertrated by a 15 yr. old in HU recently)?

Perhaps the responsibility doesn't rest in the hands of the cops, but rather the parents. Such antics should not get so out of hand in the first place because the police are the final line of defense. And if the parents don't do their job then the police will.

I pay good money for them to be there. If someone doesn't like it then maybe they should try to get the laws changed. Get politically active, join some local groups, circulate petitions, vote and go proactive. Just bitching about it doesn't do anyone a grain of good.

And maybe some training to assess a situation would help too.


come on now, nobody is saying it's ok for anyone to hurt another individual. had either of those instances been the case, then by all means, take the iondividual to jail. threatening someone with bodily harm is NOT the same as climbing a tree and stripping a few branches to make a treehouse.

and i doubt they did that much damage to the tree, at 12. living wood can be very hard to break.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 06:14 PM
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'I support the actions of my officers who responded to complaints from the public about "kids destroying" an ornamental cherry tree by stripping every branch from it, in an area where there have been reports of anti-social behaviour.

'A boy and two girls were arrested and received a police reprimand for their behaviour.

'West Midlands Police deals robustly with anti-social behaviour. By targeting what may seem relatively low-level crime we aim to prevent it developing into more serious matters.'


That is from the source article. Believe it or not people, kids do vandalize, and they do make up stories to cover their asses. I have been in the juvenile system. Apparantley there were several complaints, the tree was ornamental, and the children were destroying it. Its like, go to your closest park, identify in your opinion the nicest tree, and then watch as some kids begin destroying it.
Cherry Trees As you can see Cherry tress are not as strong as they appear. Many of those branches could easily be destroyed by twelve year olds. I think it is great they went to jail. People are acting like they were beaten and tortured. A little time in jail can straighten most kids up. Of course it took me quite a few times before I got the message. You cannot keep using the "children will be children" excuse anymroe people. Twelve is a very ripe age to know when you are destroying something and it is bad.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes A little time in jail can straighten most kids up. Of course it took me quite a few times before I got the message. You cannot keep using the "children will be children" excuse anymroe people. Twelve is a very ripe age to know when you are destroying something and it is bad.


Have you ever heard of bringing children home to their parents? Or how about giving a little citation, taking them home, and holding the parents legally responsible? You don't send 12 year olds to jail for playing in a tree, I don't care if they were breaking it if they didn't have a harmful intent to destroy for the sake of destruction. Twelve is a very ripe age to send some kids to jail, put them in the system, and throw away childhood.

I'm happy I already had my childhood, because it seems to me that more and more people are intent on taking children's life away, and making them adults as soon as possible. Of course, if people are willing to let the government dictate all these aspects of their personal lives, than they are getting what they deserve.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by 25cents
come on now, nobody is saying it's ok for anyone to hurt another individual. had either of those instances been the case, then by all means, take the iondividual to jail. threatening someone with bodily harm is NOT the same as climbing a tree and stripping a few branches to make a treehouse.

and i doubt they did that much damage to the tree, at 12. living wood can be very hard to break.


It says it right there in the article,.... the kids broke EVERY branch off the tree.


Superintendent Stuart Johnson, operations manager at Halesowen police station, said: 'I support the actions of my officers who responded to complaints from the public about "kids destroying" an ornamental cherry tree by stripping every branch from it, in an area where there have been reports of anti-social behaviour.


So who's telling the truth? The Superintendent who says they stripped every branch from the tree,... or the parents and kids who say they broke a few "loose" branches from the tree? Hmmmm....... I want to see a current photo of this ornamental cherry tree.



posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 07:35 PM
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support the actions of my officers who responded to complaints from the public about "kids destroying" an ornamental cherry tree by stripping every branch from it, in an area where there have been reports of anti-social behaviour.


Wowwwww, I Cannot believe this actually happenned in the UK,
, wth is our Police Force comming too, 1st they shoot a so called terroist, shoot dead a suspect suicide bomber (who was innocent), now they take dna samples of 12 year old kids!!!!!!!1

I would be fuming if it was my kids who were involved. Freakin Police state alright. I would have contacted my Solicitor, to sue them for over reacting, now this makes me ashamed to even call myself British!! Inbeleviable



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