On Patriotism - Why 11 Million Cubans Love Fidel, page 2


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reply posted on 22-10-2006 @ 10:30 PM by Muaddib
Repression of Dissidents
Cuban authorities continue to treat as criminal offenses nonviolent activities such as meeting to discuss the economy or elections, writing letters to the government, reporting on political or economic developments, speaking to international reporters, or advocating the release of political prisoners. While the number of political prosecutions has diminished in the past few years, Cuban courts continue to try and imprison human rights activists, independent journalists, economists, doctors, and others for the peaceful expression of their views, subjecting them to the Cuban prison system's extremely poor conditions. Even as Cuba released some political prisoners early in 1998—most of whom had completed most of their sentences—continuing trials replenished their numbers. Prison remained a plausible threat to any Cubans considering nonviolent opposition. In the case of four dissident leaders arrested in July 1997 and only tried—for inciting sedition—in March 1999, receiving sentences ranging fromthree and one-half to five years, the arbitrariness of Cuban repression was starkly on display.

In the past two years, Cuban prosecutors have relied heavily on criminal code provisions against enemy propaganda and contempt for authority (desacato) to silence dissent. During this period, prosecutors also have tried dissidents for defamation, resisting authority, association to commit criminal acts (asociación para delinquir), failure to comply with the duty to denounce (incumplimiento del deber de denunciar), and the catch-all charge "other acts against state security" (otras actas contra la seguridad del estado). Cuba's prisons also hold nonviolent political prisoners tried for crimes against state security, such as enemy propaganda, rebellion, sabotage, and revealing secrets concerning state security. Individuals convicted of state security crimes often are serving long sentences of ten to twenty years. In addition, Cuba continues to imprison, for "dangerousness," scores of citizens who have not committed a criminal act and also confines persons for "illegal exit" for attempting to exercise their right to leave Cuba.

Cuban Laws Restrict Human Rights

While Cuba's domestic legislation includes broad statements of fundamental rights, other provisions grant the state extraordinary authority to penalize individuals who attempt to enjoy their rights to free expression, opinion, press, association, and assembly. In recent years, rather than modify its laws to conform to international human rights standards, Cuba has approved legislation further restricting fundamental rights. A notable exception to this trend is the partial restoration of religious freedom. But Cuba has consistently refused to reform the most objectionable elements of its laws. Cuba's concurrent refusal to amnesty political prisoners and its continued prosecution of nonviolent activists highlight the critical role that Cuba's laws play in its machinery of repression.

The Cuban Criminal Code lies at the core of Cuba's repressive machinery, unabashedly prohibiting nonviolent dissent. With the Criminal Code in hand, Cuban officials have broad authority to repress peaceful government opponents at home. Cuban law tightly restricts the freedoms of speech, association, assembly, press, and movement. In an extraordinary June 1998 statement, Cuban Justice Minister Roberto Díaz Sotolongo justified Cuba's restrictions on dissent by explaining that, as Spain had instituted laws to protect the monarch from criticism, Cuba was justified in protecting Fidel Castro from criticism, since he served a similar function as Cuba's "king."

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reply posted on 22-10-2006 @ 10:48 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by marg6043
It has to do with who has put up with Castro in Cuba all these years that he has been a dictator . . .

After Castro took over the Island most of the exiles were the rich and well to do, while mostly poor and Castro supporters stay in the Island.


That is not true at all Marg, I don't know where you heard that, but it is not true at all. Most of what you call "the rich people" left when castro got in power and in the 60s. "Most Cubans" who have left the island since then have been poor people who had nothing to lose and wanted a better life for their families and themselves. The mass immigration of Cubans started later on when Cubans slowly began to realize what castro was doing to the country.

People are so desperate, even these days that they venture the seas, the coast of Cuba are infested with sharks which have killed and eaten many Cubans who have tried to leave the island and the regime.

Originally posted by marg6043
These exiles lost everything and had to start over in the US.

They occurs hate Castro and wants him death . . .that the sentiment has been pass through their generations since exile.


Marg...please don't talk about something which you have no experience about and don't know anything about, it insults me and DG, and if there are any other Cubans in the forums, who are not working for castro's regime...

Originally posted by marg6043
But they are not the ones that have suffered under his rule, the ones that support Castro has not choice they has learned to live under him and they actually can no see light after him.


Now this is partly right...the people who left Cuba during and after the 60s did suffer a lot in Cuba. It was the main reason, plus not being able to speak up and not being able to feed their families and themselves properly, to leave the island.

Originally posted by marg6043
Yes they support him and even love him its their Icon.


There are some that do, others just follow orders so their own immediate family can get some food int their tables, but most Cubans living in Cuba hate castro. If you go to Cuba and earn the trust of some Cubans, might let their true feelings out and tell you what they really think.

Originally posted by marg6043
Exiles has found a better live in the US and actually many of them don't even remember what it was to be under Castro's rule.


......Marg, can you read people's minds?

Please don't presume to know whether those people who have left Cuba remember or not what their families and themselves had, or have to go through under the regime of castro.


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reply posted on 22-10-2006 @ 11:39 PM by dgtempe


My school was maybe 1/2 mile away from here.

Its nice to see again.


reply posted on 23-10-2006 @ 01:40 PM by donwhite

posted by seagull

I fervently hope some day you and your family can go back. Heck maybe, assuming you'd be able to tolerate me, I'll go along and you can show me those fab beaches I've heard so much about . . “ [Edited by Don W]



Actually S/G, they can return to Cuba anytime they want, provided they do not act against the July 26 Revolution. The Cuban expatriates up here are for the most part the rich and famous and managers of the American and other foreign owned corporations that exploited the ordinary Cuban. The same kind of people who fled Hanoi to Saigon in Vietnam when the French were pushed out. Capitalist lackeys I call them.


I see these so called documentaries, or read interviews given by the friends of Fidel. They are 180 degrees different. I've never been there, legally I'm forbidden to go last I heard, but the tales I've heard from before Fidel have always made it sound so good. My friends, have never said that Barista was a saint, far from it . . but that Fidel is worse. Someday, it'll happen.


I can think of 2 things Fidel did that Barista did not do. 1) ran the Mafia out of Havana. 2) Provided universal access to health care for all Cubans. Look in the CIA Factbook for statistics on health and compare to the US.

The US fears this desire to run your own country will bring about July 26 movements all across the Western Hemisphere. As in Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile, Nicaragua and etc. The United States Marine Corps has always been the “enforcers” for the American capitalist in the Western Hemisphere.



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reply posted on 23-10-2006 @ 05:02 PM by donwhite

posted by seagull

Capitalist Lackey's you call them. Friends fleeing oppression, I call them . . yes, some were lackeys of Batista; fleeing from the righteous anger of the Cuban people for past crimes. No one, least of all I, is saying it was all sweetness and light under Batista and his cronies. There were abuses, prisons, and exploitation of the workaday Cuban. Who has denied that? No one. [Edited by Don W]



Like every other “owned” dictator in the Western Hemisphere, calling one-self an anti-communist caused the US to overlook every sin known to man. Why do you think we invade and re-invade Haiti? When a populist is elected to office, we promptly move in to “restore order” and replace him with our own puppet. We supported the father (Papa Doc) and his son (Baby Doc) Duvalier’s who were kept in power by the Tonton’s. 10s of 1000s of Haitians were raped, tortured and murdered by the so-called “security forces.” Did we ever invade Haiti then? No, to answer my own question.

The US government - not to be confused with America - has NO moral authority in the Caribbean or south of the Rio Grande. Anywhere. Haiti. Cuba. Bolivia where we murdered Che Guevara before your time. But not mine. Sorry Seagull, but if “we” like’em, you can be pretty sure they are “bad” for their country. Our lackeys.

There are also a lot of Cubans who have left Cuba for religious reasons. Many of them want not freedom of religion, but want the “freedom” to restore the Catholic Church to its pre-eminent position in Cuba. There is a difference. That's passe. Archaic.



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reply posted on 23-10-2006 @ 07:09 PM by donwhite
Seagull takes issue with my post-back technique. Here follow the full post he refers to.


posted by seagull
Capitalist Lackey's you call them. Friends fleeing oppression, I call them. Hate to break this to you, but a large majority of the Cubans who fled, and continue to, were neither rich, nor famous. My friends who fled are neither rich, save in character, nor famous, and have no desire to be.

Oh yes, some were indeed, lackeys of Batista; fleeing from the righteous anger of the Cuban people for past crimes. No one, least of all I, is saying it was all sweetness and light under Batista and his cronies. There were abuses, prisons, and exploitation of the workaday Cuban. Who has denied that? No one.

But your contention that the average workaday Cuban is better off under Castro is utterly false. If they are so much better off, why are so many fleeing, and dieing in the Florida straits? Free medical care? Not when they have to work in those labor camps harvesting food they'll never see. Ain't hardly free.


OK, Seagull, the above is your entire unedited post. Follows immediately my edited post which is plainly marked, by the way.

quote:
posted by seagull

Capitalist Lackey's you call them. Friends fleeing oppression, I call them . . yes, some were lackeys of Batista; fleeing from the righteous anger of the Cuban people for past crimes. No one, least of all I, is saying it was all sweetness and light under Batista and his cronies. There were abuses, prisons, and exploitation of the workaday Cuban. Who has denied that? No one. [Edited by Don W]
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I do not see where I have altered the sequence of anything you wrote. I did delete that much content which did not seem to me to rise to the level of my commentary. IMO.

I believe I’m within the “fair comment” rule. I am not happy you think not. I post back to you fairly often and have no desire to upset you. I have done this since I first posted here and you are the 2nd person to remark unfavorably. DGTempe says I use up bandwidth but that is the whole raison d’etre of ATS.

May I ask for your response, Seagull?



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