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Originally posted by ceci2006
What advice would you give in order for the country and its citizens to look better and gain more respect in the eyes of the international public?
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Originally posted by ceci2006
we're world citizens too.
Shame on you for being so imperialistic.
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Originally posted by ceci2006
Shame on you for being so imperialistic. You are also biased against the opinions of the world community.
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Originally posted by ceci2006
the American people carry that mindset of "being a superpower"
make a more appropriate choice during our elections so that we will choose people who will actually conduct foreign relations better.
We live on Earth... we do have to deal with other nations and their citizens.
Whatever happened to just simply listening to other people instead of being so insular all the time?
Originally posted by The Vagabond
Eventually however, and not necessarily at any set age I might add, a person has the capacity to live independently. Upon reaching this point, one has the irrevokable right to rule himself.
Undeveloped land owned directly by the government, in my view, is an illegitimate claim. This is important because a person needs space to be.
if at any point you attempt to exist without commerce you are committing vagrancy/loitering and can be arrested.
You are a citizen of your nation because you have entered into the social contract by accepting what is extended to you by it (the rights and restrictions of the laws and constitution).
Now what happens in the absence of a social contract? Hobbes' bellum omnium contra omnes or in English, everyone at war with everyone. This is essentially the state of things between nations at present. Not all wars are military, but all nations war with all other nations.
World citizens? Sure. Do you know when we'll become world citizens? When a global civil war comes along and we lose it.
And when the global civil war comes, make no mistake, the sovereignty of men will not end. It will simply be more oppressed than it has ever been.
Originally posted by ceci2006
But America and some Americans certainly are not so haughty to take advice from other countries? After all, we're world citizens too. And now since everything we've been involved in overseas has drawn a lot of criticism from other countries, it's time to hear what other people have to say to make America and its citizens recognize the error of its foreign policies.
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Originally quoted by Centurion 1211
The utopian world you seem to dream of where we are all just citizens of the planet earth does not yet exist. You must realize that for your dream to come to pass, all must agree to that concept and play by the same rules. Looking around today's world, I would guess that we are hundreds, maybe thousands, of years from that possibilty. And I refuse to accept putting sole blame on the U.S. for what you consider the world's problems. I am still convinced that the U.S. has done far more good than harm than many (any?) of the countries you would seek advice from.
Shame on you for being so imperialistic. You are also biased against the opinions of the world community.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
Fallen, I'm going to attempt to answer this as concisely as I can
My contention on the topic of this thread is that nations mainly exist in the "State of Nature", not bound to restrain their actions by any global social contract.
1. Land ownership. As you have noted, the government regulated and parcelled out land. Private property cannot be the problem if private property stemmed from government ownership.
There is not an inch of free soil, and therefore one is forced to labor in the mode that the government sees fit. It would be wrong to dictate your career, wrong to dictate your spending, so how is it not wrong to dictate that you work for dollars?Most would answer: That's the minimal level of control we need to sustain the US. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
I respond: That's EXACTLY what I propose to do
They claimed a bunch of empty dirt through naked force and they keep it empty by naked force to keep you working for their economy.
A man can infact subsist on his own. You need heat, shelter, food, and water.
Only under the very harshest conditions are these things beyond ones reach.
It is true that few consciously weigh the choice to enter the social contract or not to, but ultimately you either partake in the things the government offers and uphold the attendant responsibilites or you do not. People have in fact fled this country and renounced their citizenship to free themselves from the bonds of that contract (vis a vis the draft).
What we must remember is that society and government are not one in the same.
Humans are of a social character, but they are most certainly not of a character to be governed; that must be taught
Consider the fact that without a global government the United States is perfectly able to associate with other nations and interact with them in most necessary regards to promote our survival and comfort. So how then does our nature necessitate government?
I do not entertain the notion of walking away from the government for its own sake, but on the principle that governments must be of, by, and for the people.
So much for concise... sorry.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Why should america listen to the world? Who's got the power, cash, and technology? THe US. THe world perhaps should be listening to the US. What countries are doing the best right now, the ones that hate the US, or the ones that get along with it? I mean, the people of lebanon, whats in their interest, telling america what to do to get the lebanese to like america, or doing what america likes? Works well for Israel no?