TTR Can Planes fly over it?

Can planes flyover the Tonopah Test Range??? If not? Why??? If not, than I thing Groom Lake and the TTR should ONLY be used for commercial emergenct landings as a last resort if commercial planes vannot fly directly over it...

ANd whats lowest and highest altitude limit can commercial jets can fly over the TTR or Groom Lake area?

TTR and Groom Lake own the airspace from 0-Infinity. That means that NOTHING flies over them unless it comes from them, or has clearance from them. Not even emergency landings. They're both close enough to other airfields that there is no reason whatsoever for an emergency landing to take place at either of them. As far as the lowest level a commercial plane can fly over them at, it depends on how badly you want to keep flying. If you fly over them AT ALL, then I guarantee there will be some nice black vans waiting for you when you land.

[edit on 7/31/2006 by Zaphod58]

Here is a very interesting read about this guy's trip by airplane around the Area 51 area while still out of the restricted airspace... There are also some other great articles on his site, very cool stuff!

www.serve.com...

Suppose I were to fly at 40000 feet over TTR and Groom Lake what would be the Los Angeles Center or ARTCC Frequency? Just wondering...Thanks!!! Would that be the Nellis High Alt. Control Freqs...or the High Alt. ARTCC from the Los Angeles Center...And can someone post then here please?

Actually I have this handheld GPS and I always do simulations flying from Los Angeles Airport to TTR.....Its great...

Formerly AS400, but I lost my password so I made up a new account...

[edit on 31-7-2006 by infocondelta]

[edit on 31-7-2006 by infocondelta]

not to shoot down your question, but I don't know if the frequencies of that altitude are known since the airspace is restriced to (I believe) unlimited altitude... Sure would be interesting though to find out what the frequencies are though, out of curiousity.

A few lost pilots have landed private planes at Groom Lake and a British exchange pilot made an emergency landing at Groom in an F-105. My brother-in-law was in an F-4 that made an emergency landing at TTR in the 1980s before the F-117A was declassified.

1. So the altitiude restrictions are fron 0 to 60,000 feet or more than that?

2. If a plane whether commercial or not, THEY WILL GET SHOT DOWN?

0-INFINITY. There IS NO upper limit. No they won't get shot down but they WILL get escorted down, and they WILL be met by the government who will interrogate everyone on the plane.

If you everone can look at this website below:
imgfly.com...

Are those two fighter jets that we see in that picture if you choose another larger resolution??

Are those fighter jets meant to shoot down commercial jets if they tend to fly over Area51??

Thanks?

Do you not listen to what anyone else says????? THEY DO NOT SHOOT DOWN PLANES THAT FLY INTO AREA 51 AIRSPACE! They escort them to the ground, or they meet the pilots on the ground when they land and they take them to a room and they ask them a lot of questions about WHY they were in area 51 airspace. If it's a commercial plane then they talk to EVERYONE on the plane.

Oh yes...yes yes yes...Im sorry....Im always in a rush in reading replies...

ANyways...Are those F-16s or F-18A's??? Or, are those really fighter jets???

Because thats where I pointed my mouse cursor in Google Earth to program the coordinates into my GPS Is on the fighter jet if thats what there are....

Are those really fighter jets?

They're late model F-16s. Probably C models, but I don't know what block number. Yeah, they're really fighter jets. If you want to see something really interesting, point your Google Earth to Arizona. I don't have the coordinates handy, but the USAF boneyard is there and there are thousands of planes parked in the desert.

what should I type in the search bar of the Google Earth?? Because if you cannot find the coordinates, it going to be finding a needle in a hay stack.

So this link below
imgfly.com...

are those REALLY F-16s parked?...Thats were I pointed my mouse cursor to program my coordinates into my GPS



[edit on 1-8-2006 by infocondelta]

Tonapaha, or TTR as it is sometimes called is in a restricted area, just like Groom Lake is. That airspace is very closely guarded against inturders. Tonapah is part of the military airspace known as R-4807 (if I remember correctly). You should be able to look it up on an aeronautical chart.

Tim

1. Lets say if airplanes were to fly or to be allowed to fly or to land in area51 or TTR...what high altitiude (10,000 to 45,000 feet) flight plan would they take from Burbank, CA to AREA51 or TTR?? Would they take the Daggett VOR transition? Palmdale VOR Transition, or the Gorman VOR transitions?? Or, would they fly DIRECT to those places??? From BURBANK AIRPORT direct? **If** Aircrafts were to be allowed to land there or fly through there lets say @31,000 feet...

2. Those sectional charts only shows LOW ALTITUDE freqs....whta high alt. freqs would these planes contact if they were allowed to fly through there??

thanks

[edit on 1-8-2006 by as400]

[edit on 1-8-2006 by as400]

[edit on 1-8-2006 by as400]

Look for PIMA ARIZONA or PIMA AIR MUSEUM.

R-4807 is no longer restricted. Groom Lake is in R-4808 which IS restricted.

Passing through Nevada at high altitude you're still talking to Utah Center until you get ready to cross into California, when you switch over into LA Center.

The two F-16 jets parked on the North Ramp at Groom may have been there as safety chase planes or for testing new avionics or other features.

1. Lets say if airplanes were to fly or to be allowed to fly or to land in area51 or TTR...what high altitiude (10,000 to 45,000 feet) flight plan would they take from Burbank, CA to AREA51 or TTR?? Would they take the Daggett VOR transition? Palmdale VOR Transition, or the Gorman VOR transitions?? Or, would they fly DIRECT to those places??? From BURBANK AIRPORT direct?

Arrrrrgh why do these two/one poster(s) keep asking useless theoretical questions!

No one will fly a comercial jet to Groom so why ask which flight path it would take?

I said ***IF** they were allowed to...then what flight path would they take. Because I wanna do a simulation flight on my GPS...Thats why Im asking...

I looked up Pima AZ..Cannot find nothing, only houses..OH WELL..