Originally posted by dgtempe
ALL Muslims do not want us dead, if all of them did, and they had the means, we'd all be dead by now.

they dont have the means, thast what the war is trying to prevent.

All i know is i have a couple of very peace-loving Arabs in my family. They love this country as much as we do. To say that they're all against us is false.

Dj, i'm not picking on you

I just dont like it when someone says ALL of them are no good jihadists.

As far as standing up to the rest, someone made a point. We dont stand up to OUR problems either.

Fearmongering, cant belive it came from a supposedly ATS subject matter expert.


There is a extreme wing of islam that wishes to destroy western civilization, but the majoirty of muslims are peace loving people who just want to live happy lives.
Islamic terroism has existed since the Islamic revolutions in the 70's but people must remember muslims did not make terroism. Anti-western sentiment has only increased with the 'war on terror' provoking more young muslims into believing their extreme clerics that the west are as evil as they tell them. The invasion of Afganistan and Iraq was a action louder than any words that the extreme clerics could say.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I think GW Bush has made mistakes, and I think he's finally startiing to realize it. For the first time in his Presidentcy, he seems apologetic and uncertain. But, that's with Iraq, I don't think you can pin the blame on the current Israeli/Hezbollah conflict on him.

What makes you think he's realizing anything? How does he seem apologetic? How does he seem uncertain?
IMO, he's lying low lately, scheming and stirring the couldron in the shadows.
He holds the couldron and Dick stirrs it.
In no time the pourridge will be "cooked"
As far as the current problem with Israel...hmmm...he's not crying over war. These are people who thrive on this and see it as furthering wars, which is a goood thing.

It's not important whom exactly hate Americans, it's interesting why.

Personally, I think the hate against the US, and particularly against the current admin are caused by several causes:

The unfounded invasion of Iraq and its deadly consequences

The support to the state of Israel, while 99% is against its actions. Whereas the world says ''no'', Rice or Bolton says ''yes'' and the other way around.

The suppressing of their Palestinians brothers, and the occupation of their land.
Its foreign policy in general.

Its ''democratic'' way of treating people equally, if you are honest, you’ll admit the US uses double standards. Bush should have condemned the actions of Israel immediately when all other countries did, not just keep going on to support Israel just because it is Israel. That would have been a begin for the US to earn back its respect it once had, and not only in Arab countries.


Its dominant way of taking decisions, without any consensus, like the Clinton government used to do previously.

What difference I really find remarkable is the increase of hate against the US since the Bush administration took office, says something of the cause huh?

Imagine what an even greater country the US could have been if Bush had decides to pump all the Iraqi invasion money into social securities and the economy.

Isn't there in the US a general feeling of desire to get another Clinton for president rather sooner than later? Personally, I found him to be a great president.

And last, we shouldn't exaggerate it, I experienced many times Americans feel way to fast offended and biased, once you [as foreigner] dare to say something negative about the US or any US related happenings.




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So you're saying that his muslim background had nothing to do with his decision to kill jewish people in Seattle? Interesting, but not what I think.

Originally posted by laiguana
So you're saying that his muslim background had nothing to do with his decision to kill jewish people in Seattle? Interesting, but not what I think.

He RENOUNCED his background when he was baptized, but, you're entittled.

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[edit on 31-7-2006 by Mdv2]

MDv,

I think La Iguana was talking about something i said, maybe he can clarify it.

What the world hates is a man with a backbone, so the weak willed and sissies hate President Bush.

Israel has every right to it's self defense and to wipe out those that are killing her people. Hezbollah is using women and children as shields. Nothing new here for the Muslims warriors are cowards.

If Allah is on their side why are they not fighting man to man?

Roper

Originally posted by mrwupy
It's just my opinion, but they live in a world where if they say anything bad against those that rule them they are carted away in the night and often never heard from again. They have to lash out with the pent up frustrations so they lash out at those they are allowed to lash out against.

The exact same can be said for most of us in the 'West' too...
we also lash out our pent-up frustrations at those we are allowed to, but in a culturally different way

Originally posted by djohnsto77
So Muslims now are adding the U.N. to the already long list of people they want to kill. Death to America! Death to Israel!

Djohnsto77...do you really believe that all Muslims want this though. Perhaps instead of saying 'Muslims' you could say 'radical Muslims'. Really, they are no different than say a 'Christian extremist' that basically wants all of them to disappear, but obviously not all Christians feel this way.

Fixed spelling

[edit on 31-7-2006 by zenlover28]

I've already said I don't really think ALL Muslims want to killl us and I don't mean to fearmonger. Muslim-Americans are very integrated into our society and when I see one on the subway here in New York, I have no fear that they're going to blow themselves up or something...but seeing constant images of stuff like I've talked about going on in Iran and the ME makes you wonder...I think I agree with mrwupy, they're taking out their frustration on whomever they're allowed to hate.



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Originally posted by djohnsto77
So Muslims now are adding the U.N. to the already long list of people they want to kill.

What all billion or so of them? By definition that is a bigotted remark dj, I would hope that was not your intent to paint an entire religion with one brush.

I have muslim friends and they dont want any one dead, including Israelis. So where does that leave them in your vast generalisation?

Djohnsto...I should have read the entire thread. I see where you state that now, but when I read your initial post it bothered me and naturally I could not wait to respond. Guilty as charged! I read Mr. Wupy's response and I must say that I agree with him as well. However, we have to face the fact that these people are brainwashed from birth about the world around them and if they hate us, they probably think in their own minds that they have good reason to do so.

Originally posted by laiguana
So you're saying that his muslim background had nothing to do with his decision to kill jewish people in Seattle? Interesting, but not what I think.

Possibly not, looking back to the middle ages it was the Muslim nations that allowed the Jews to worship free from persecution (as well as christians), compare that to the attitude of the Christian nations, a good example being the slaughter of thousands of Jews in Mainz by Crusaders on their way to the Holy land.

As far as I know there are strict rules to warfare outlined in the Koran, especially in regards to "People of the Book" (Muslims, Christians and Jews). The whole Muslim vs Jew situation is a fairly recent development, and one that has more to do with politics and economics than Religion in itself. Sadly however the two are not mutually exclusive and are more than capable of poisoning one another for selfish ends.

Naturally, all you are going to see is the radical version of muslim.
Its much easier to annihilate people when one considers them to be subhuman. Propaganda plays a role in this. If muslims were presented as human beings, with fears, loves, families and everything else that makes them just like us, it would be a much harder sell than just labeling "them" as terrorist.
But all we see is terror terror terror. We're being brainwashed to think Arab=terrorist.
If you ask the common joe off the street what he thinks about the middle east, he'll probably tell you its full of terrorist!
Mission accomplished.
But the truth is that most of these people want peace. They want to worship and they want to live. The radical version of islam is no different from the radical version of christianity who view islam as a heathen religion who deserve to be wiped out. The difference is that these people have bombs dropped instead of suicide bombers. Both are equally wrong.

"We must be the change we want to see in the world" - Ghandi

Well said xEphon, you get a WATS from me

I remember this demonization being pointed out to me by best friend very early on in my life. I was no more than 12 years old when my Iranian best friend pointed out to me that the majority of all terrorists portrayed in Hollywood movies are Arab muslims. That inspite of the fact that the IRA was in full swing at the time.

Whilst Britons were being bombed regularly by Irish terrorists we were getting bombarded by Arab terrorists on the silver screen who had never attacked us.

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Originally posted by Roper
What the world hates is a man with a backbone, so the weak willed and sissies hate President Bush.




Roper

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that!