'Lost:' Season Three Discussion...

Originally posted by they see ALL

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Does anyone know why Ben doesn't leave the island to get treatment? He knows how to leave and has the resources to do it, but why risk his life to stay?

well, tom was going to answer that very question but jack had to make that mistake and tom stopped talking immediately afterwards...

Tom said it was because of the sky turning purple, so I'm thinking they weren't informed by Ben on what caused it, and were only told they were stuck on the island now. This also raises the issue with Micheal.

If the flash caused some kind of reaction that is keeping everyone stuck on the island, then wouldn't it mean that Michael never escaped?

Originally posted by DJMessiah
If the flash caused some kind of reaction that is keeping everyone stuck on the island, then wouldn't it mean that Michael never escaped?

ah good question...

but, ben gave michael specific coordinates to follow...

maybe this exact direction was the only way out, no matter what happened...

But Ben knew he had cancer a month before the flash happened.

"Two days after I found out I had a fatal tumor on my spine, a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky."

He had a good while to get off the Island if the flash somehow kept them there, so surely he would have gone before?

Originally posted by JackofBlades
But Ben knew he had cancer a month before the flash happened.

yes, i recall...

maybe he believes his mission is extremely important...

even important enough to stay on the island even when having a fatal tumor...

Originally posted by they see ALL
maybe this exact direction was the only way out, no matter what happened...

This would prove as a fallacy if it were the only way. When Ben told Michael how to leave, members of the "Others" were present to hear it as well, including Tom, who told Jack in the last episode that the flash created no other way out.

I'm convinced Micheal and Walt never made it out and are going to return to the Island (that is if the writers can find a way to convince the actor, that plays Michael, to return.)

Originally posted by DJMessiah
This would prove as a fallacy if it were the only way. When Ben told Michael how to leave, members of the "Others" were present to hear it as well, including Tom, who told Jack in the last episode that the flash created no other way out.

Don't put words in his mouth. He never said the flash stopped them leaving, all he said was something about the sky turning purple and then got cut off.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
When Ben told Michael how to leave, members of the "Others" were present to hear it as well, including Tom, who told Jack in the last episode that the flash created no other way out.

i know that its not a secret to any other...

now i don't know if tom was going to tell jack exactly that, but it would make sense given the timing...

I'm convinced Micheal and Walt never made it out and are going to return to the Island (that is if the writers can find a way to convince the actor, that plays Michael, to return.)

i was also basing my opinion on what the producers said...

they said that michael and walt are the only characters to leave the island, but the question would now be: what's out there...

Originally posted by JackofBlades
Don't put words in his mouth. He never said the flash stopped them leaving, all he said was something about the sky turning purple and then got cut off.

Their exact quotes were:

JACK [holding a chunk of tissue in the air]: Well, then you probably won't want to be looking at that. [he tosses it in a tray] So, if you really can get off the island why didn't you just take him to a facility? Why all this?

TOM: Because ever since the sky turned purple...

Source: www.lost-tv.com...

It's obvious that he was telling Jack that the trouble of not being able to leave the island all started with the purple flash. He just never got around to saying why the flash caused them to be stuck on the island now.

Originally posted by they see ALL
now i don't know if tom was going to tell jack exactly that, but it would make sense given the timing...

There's also a possibility that Tom, just like Juliet was being held on the island by Ben, and was told by Ben that the flash took out their only means of escape. But ever since Ben told Juliet that she can leave if she helps Kate and Sawyer escape, it has lead me to believe that either Ben could have lied to Tom and told him that there is no escape now, or that he was bluffing to Juliet when he said she could leave. Either way, it looks like Tom will not find out what Ben told Juliet, or else he could question what he told Jack.

i was also basing my opinion on what the producers said...

they said that michael and walt are the only characters to leave the island, but the question would now be: what's out there...

I haven't read the producer's transcripts, but if Michael and Walt did indeed escape the area and islands, then like Ben said to them, there will be no way of coming back. Not sure if Ben implied because of the flash, or what, but once again there is room for him to lie. They chose a real good actor to play him.

[edit on 9-2-2007 by DJMessiah]

Originally posted by DJMessiah
They chose a real good actor to play him.

no doubt about it

michael emerson is great!!!

the reason ben is still on the show is because of emerson's acting alone and nothing else

It doesn't make sense for the flash to be the thing keeping them there, when most of them have been there for years before the flash. Juliette herself has been there for 3 years so it doesn't make sense. Plus its obvious the Mittleos company has been taking people there, which would involve going there and coming back.

Tom could have just been going to say "Ever since the Flash, Ben's started wearing lady's underwear and dancing around at midnight."

Originally posted by JackofBlades
Tom could have just been going to say "Ever since the Flash, Ben's started wearing lady's underwear and dancing around at midnight."

that would be something

Originally posted by JackofBlades
Tom could have just been going to say "Ever since the Flash, Ben's started
wearing lady's underwear and dancing around at midnight."

It all makes sense now! No wonder the monster was hunting everyone and Michael shot Libby and Ana!

take a look at the scene where karl is getting brainwashed again...

if the scene isn't weird enough by itself, take a look at it backwards...

if you do, you will hear:

"Only fools are enslaved by time and space"...

Thought you might like to try reversing the audio in the scene with Karl strapped to the chair in Room 23. There is a backwards message in the first half of the film (this is a technique called "backmasking"). It's a woman repeating the phrase "Only fools are enslaved by time and space".

is this a clue or what

don't forget that aldo (the guard guarding the room where karl was being held) was reading "A Brief History of Time" (wikipedia)...

It attempts to explain a range of subjects in cosmology, including the Big Bang, black holes, light cones and superstring theory, to the nonspecialist reader. Its main goal is to give an overview of the subject but, unusually for a popular science book, it also attempts to explain some complex mathematics.

The author notes that an editor warned him that for every equation in the book the readership will be halved, hence it includes only a single equation: E=mc².

In addition to Hawking's abstinence from equations, the book also simplifies matters by means of illustrations throughout the text, depicting complex models and diagrams.

hmmm...

maybe the theories (or speculations) that time passes differently on the island than in the outside world may have some grain of truth to them...

for more information on the technique used to brainwash karl, take a look at "A Clockwork Orange" (wikipedia)...

the part that may be of interest to 'lost' fans is this (which involves the use of "the ludovico technique:"

After being sentenced to 14 years for murder, Alex gets a job as an assistant to the prison chaplain. He feigns interest in religion, and amuses himself by reading the Bible for its lurid descriptions of "the old yahoodies (Jews) tolchocking (beating) each other", imagining himself taking part in "the nailing-in" (the Crucifixion of Jesus). Alex hears about an experimental rehabilitation programme called "the Ludovico Technique", which promises that the prisoner will be released upon completion of the two-week treatment, and will not commit crimes afterwards.

Partially by taking part in the fatal beating of a cellmate, Alex manages to become the subject in the first full-scale trial of the Ludovico Technique. The technique itself is a form of aversion therapy, in which Alex is given a drug that induces extreme nausea while being forced to watch graphically violent films for 2 weeks. Among the films shown are propaganda films such as Triumph of the Will, which includes Alex's beloved Beethoven. At the end of the treatment, Alex is unable to carry out or even contemplate violent acts without crippling nausea. He can't listen to the Beethoven music he loves either, as the treatment has caused him to experience nausea by simply listening to the music.

here is some more information:

- the ludovico technique (wikipedia)...

- aversion therapy (wikipedia)...

it looks as if i will be reading some good stuff this summer

wasn't 'lost' interesting this week???

i must admit, i am actually a bit lost when it came to desmond's flashback...

did he really go back in time???

only time will tell i guess..

Stranger things have happened on the island, so why not?

I was reading a magazine interview of the producers of Lost, when they were answering viewer mail. They said that the skeletons they've found in the cave will tie in with the last episode. I believe that if time travel is true, the skeletons might be one of the Lost crew who went back in time and died. Just a theory.

what did you guys think of this episode???

i actually thought some parts were weak

overall though, this was a good episode (although i was expecting better answers)...

I didn't like any of it. This is the only episode of Lost I could have gone without. If the next few episodes are like this, then they've lost me for good. :shk:

An entire flashback episode dedicated to Jack's tattoo was a bit cheesy, including the part where the Thai men beat him up over a tattoo.

It was a pathetically pointless episode, pure absolute filler!

This show is seriously testing my patience now. For nearly the entire episode Jack was in a position to ask Tom, Ben, Juliet, the flight attendent what the hell was going on and yet he didn't, he instead screamed for them to go away or some crap. Dreadful writing, who would do that?

Plus Kate and Sawyer listen to whiney boy say that they're doing projects, and don't even bother to ask what projects?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?!

Absolutely dreadful, and if next week is an episode about them two crap new characters who look like they've walked off a GAP commercial I'm done with this show until the box set, at least then I can forward through all this time wasting filler.

Originally posted by John Nada
Plus Kate and Sawyer listen to whiney boy say that they're doing projects, and don't even bother to ask what projects?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?!

yes...

this was a big mistake :shk:

I did notice one thing about last night's episode that might have some significance. When that boy was quoting the Bible, after being brain washed in the weird room, Kate had a look on her face, like she had heard that phrase spoken to her before. Even when she went into the brain washing room, she noticed the same message about Jacob and had the same reaction. I think the producers will tie that in to one of her flashbacks.