Suffice to say... I will qoute Ghandi in response to your primitive reply. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

I guess the days of "turn the other cheek" have long gone. Oh wait, or is it just that saying doesnt apply to terrorists, or middle easterners at all for that matter.

Uhm, I said it before and I said it again - how do you people expect Iran with their zero power projection abilities to wage war against Israel? In case you haven't noticed it there is Iraq occupied by US between Iran and Syria. How are they supposed to movie significant amount of soldiers and equipment to Lebanon? Currently they can smuggle small amount of weapons and personel by civilian aircraft, but there's no way they can do the same with big army. Surely they can send some martyr volunteers down there, but without modern equippment they will be nothing more than cannon fodder.

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Exactly Lonbow. Iran is pretty much impotent right now other than what they can get their proxy in Hezbo to do.

Originally posted by LooseLipsSinkShips
... there are 100,000's of Americans involved here. and these americans include Iranian-Americans and Israeli-Americans.

Israeli-Americans serve in the United State Military,
Iranian-Americans drive porches, mercedes and hummers all over town.

And with a name like YahYa, of course this Clown Prince of I-Ran is nothing but a cheerleader for the "revolutionary" guards.

If Iran choose to confront Israel the Americans would intervene and wipe the floor with their own rag-tag infantry. I pray this is not the case, that would only bring about further hate related crimes both in North America and abroad.

I dont mean to offend anyone when i say this,but i wish all the talk about america would do this,we'd wipe out blah,blah, etc would stop.America has its own problems,we dont' need to send troops anywhere else right now. Its real easy to talk about how we'd wipe the floor with iran's military when you know that you arent going to be one of the grunts on the ground,dodging bullets.

Originally posted by Snazuolu
BRING EM ON i say!!! Israel, with the help of God will see to it the evil axis of powers are dealt with 1 by 1.

Israel has fought several of its neighbors at once, several times.

The results were always the same.

Israel kicked their butt's, but hard.

You would think that they would learn their lesson-guess they keep their citizens illiterate so they can't read and see just how useless and disastrous it would be for there countries to attack Israel again.

I think, Intredid, that you are missing the point being made here by many people.

The point was and is, Israel has taken on its neighbors 3 and 4 at a time and won.

It did it several times before and it can do it again.

Would it be a wonderful happy world if someone-anyone else was able/willing to stop Hezbollah terrorists, YES, but as usual, it falls completely on Israel’s shoulders.
Fortunately for them they know what it takes and are doing it-that is to remove all Hezbollah terrorists-that would be all with guns and missiles.

As far as Hezbollah helping people with NONMILITARY aid/help is just fine, in fact it is great.

Too bad all the help they provide is to clean up after what Hezbollah created in the first place.
Sigh, but no one wants to open their eyes and see this.

Originally posted by Snazuolu
BRING EM ON i say!!! Israel, with the help of God will see to it the evil axis of powers are dealt with 1 by 1.

If the Jews are Gods choosen people, where was Gods help during the holocaust ?

BUDDY PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND !!!!!!

The Holocost has nothing to do with Israel being God's children. Prophecy is self-fulfilling and for it to work out then everything cant go peachy (in the case of the Israeli's). If anything the Holocost (as bad as it was) is also one of the reasons that Israel is VERY powerful and nuclear today. Think of it as something very bad almost had to happen so that events could enable Israel to become much stronger. If that is God's will so be it. Sometimes bad things HAVE to happen so that things can work out in the end.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon

Israel has fought several of its neighbors at once, several times.

The results were always the same.

Israel kicked their butt's, but hard.

Even though I realize your arrogance Blinds you. Might I remind you that Israel did not do any of that alone. They had plenty of US backing. You had US Technical advisors teach your people how to use things, you had US pilots who left The United states to become citizens of Israel and pilots in your IAF, you got money from the USA to purchase everything, corrupt Zionist politicians in high places to give Israel things below the actual costs, you have citizens who were trained in other countries to fight since your country never really existed before 60 years ago, so therefore no military training of its own, your citizens were schooled in schools of other nations in the art of warfare. You had plenty of help. Now we are seeing the results of a more independent Israel and how your Military really is. Now if we can only get the USA to cease supplying Israel with ridiculous amounts of money you will see a more level playing field. Perhaps even a slow-down in their agression.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
The Holocost has nothing to do with Israel being God's children. Prophecy is self-fulfilling and for it to work out then everything cant go peachy (in the case of the Israeli's). If anything the Holocost (as bad as it was) is also one of the reasons that Israel is VERY powerful and nuclear today. Think of it as something very bad almost had to happen so that events could enable Israel to become much stronger. If that is God's will so be it. Sometimes bad things HAVE to happen so that things can work out in the end.

Your reply is fair enough, BUT please dont tell me its Gods plan to have Israel kill innocent women and children ?

I guess it all really depends on if you believe (not just Christians) in a God or not period. If you do, then how do you explain car accidents killing children? Diseases killing loved ones? Gods will no? He works in ways we dont always understand and sometimes women and children are killed whether it be from violence, disease, accidents or whatever...in this case war. It still may very well be God's will for a bigger reason than most humans can understand. The tendency here is to blame God and say how can a just and forgiving God allow such a thing? Sometimes it HAS to be that way and for reasons we dont yet know.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation

Originally posted by princeofpeace
I wouldnt believe any statements by any Iranian or Syrian leaders until you can see something on the ground. Until then, its all BS from them as usual.

How about the four UN peace workers? Was that Syria and Iran who made that up too? Bottom line, whoever kills an innocent person... ARE WRONG! There is NO justification! No matter what! So if you get a warm feeling inside your stomoach when such atrocities happen in the name of Israel, you are feeding into an evil source.

I'm not saying Israel is evil... I'm saying whomever kills innocent people, and continues to do it at the rate that is happening... IS EVIL! I think they are doing the bidding of someone other than their god. My .2 Peace and love, and then we're all friends. AAC

at least the us court marshalls soldiers and marines for doing stuff like that out of cold blood, but sometimes civilians do get in the way....BUT NOT 35!!

way to go israel!

so just to clarify, it seems that several of you have decided that israel is in the wrong because they accidentally hit a civilian complex killing a bunch of kids.

here's my question folks:

all this condemnation of israel and yet not a single one of you has said a WORD about the INTENTIONAL targetting of civilians by hizbollah.....and not just once, but a continued policy of intentionally targetting israeli civilians and using lebanese civilians as human shields.

why is that i wonder?

EXACTLY!!!! WHat about the intentional killing of Israeli CIVILIANS through Hezbo's terror tactics? They are the ones who started this whole mess. Where is the condemnation???

Originally posted by princeofpeace
EXACTLY!!!! WHat about the intentional killing of Israeli CIVILIANS through Hezbo's terror tactics? They are the ones who started this whole mess. Where is the condemnation???

Wrong. I'm sorry to say that is comparing apples to oranges. If Hezz. could strike Israeli strategic targets it would. Hezz doesn't have the smart bomb capability that Israel has (yet they continue to strike civilians and the U.N.) they have mostly mortar shells they are shooting aimlessly. They have very few smart bombs, that most likely come from Iran and Syria. So your point in INVALID! AAC

Does the fact that hezbo is "reduced" to using terror weapons excuse the fact that they started this conflict? They shouldnt be writing checks their butts cant cash.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Does the fact that hezbo is "reduced" to using terror weapons excuse the fact that they started this conflict? They shouldnt be writing checks their butts cant cash.

I for one think they are both at fault. Frankly, that does not excuse surface thinkers who do not try and understand why these people hate.

*Illistration*

A boy grows up in Lebonon. The year is 1982. He lives in a one bedroom apartment with his five brothers and two sister and father and mother. They frequently speak of starting a family business and someday moving closer to the beaches. But one friday night a rogue missile crashes through their window killing his entire family. He waits in the rubble for 12 hours for rescuers to reach him. One by one he watches the eyes of each of his brothers and sisters as they exhaled their final breath. Each passing causes him more anger. The only thing he has left is fear.

Where does the fear lead?

This is a cycle that is recreated every time something like this happens. So if unrest and anomosity is what they want, this conflict will produce plenty of that. Can't Wait!!!


Oh, and for you people out there that want this to intensify to bring certain biblical prophecies into fruition...

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Some people really need to have a bit of a reality check.

' Israel can take on several enemies at once, and win? '

They cant even beat hezbollah, they have absolute air superiority, have send thousands of the highest technologically advanced missles into southern lebanon, yet still had to 'pull out' troops after they lost a large amount of military men, to 'rag tag' militia.

Yes, granted 30 odd years ago, israel had the ability to take on egypt,syria and jordan.. in a 'surprise attack' they managed to reduce there enemies ability to wage war... IT was a great move, well planned out.. but i wouldnt say they beat the military in a war because of this.

They got smart, and got lucky.
This was 30 friggen years ago people. Long before the days of highly sophisticate war planes, radar's, guidence.

Iran, Syria, Jordan and all the above beleive it or not have upgraded there weaponary, just like israel have. They probably arent up to the same level, but ill be damned if there at such a low level, that israel would be able to take on all her surrounding enemies and win.

I mean, they called up 30,000 extra reserve forces? yet all there doing is taking on a 'rag tag' militia, AFTER theyve been pounded. Some people need to get out of there DREAM world, because this isnt like a bunch of bullies taking on the class nerd. The arabian world are fighting for what they believe is a just cause.. They are watching countless innocent childeren and women be slaughtered, by israeli/american weapons, yet hezbollah is still to blame.

Its hezbollah's fault, we had to flatten that town of childeren and women.. because they used that town for military purposes.
BUT
Isnt hezbollah attacking israeli towns the same justification? I mean hafia is a big port, so where else would all the weapons be coming into israel?

Im sick of people ranting israel and the US are unbeatable. they could take on the world and win. No one WINS in a war, you ultimately lose too many good civilians, and you always leave someone pi55ed off enough, to continue hating you and plotting your death AFTERwards.

Im ashamed to be called a human, and be in the same race as these men who lob multi million dollar missles at civilian towns, claim it as a victory, yet i still see that poor man sitting in a doctors waiting room, in pain simply because the government wont approve his health care, on some meaningless beaurocratic BS simply to save a few $$$ on the bottom line.

society is a joke. Maybe we doo need a major world war to shake some sense into mankind.

bottomline, Israel cannot beat all these arab states, unless they use nuclear weapons. if they use nuclear weapons, or even THREATEN to use them, it doesnt really matter. Because there are enough INSANE people who beleive doing so, will bring about there religous prophecy.

And that in there minds, is a good enough reason to send millions to there deaths.

I say, remove all the nukes, stop supplying israel, and let the world know that if israel wants to continue killing people the way it has been, it has to defend itself.
IF IT wins, it wins the right to survival, if it loses, the Middleast crisis that has been ongoing since israel's creation finishes.