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U.S. biodefense lab raises concerns

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posted on Jul, 30 2006 @ 10:11 AM
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U.S. biodefense lab raises concerns

The Bush administration is building a massive biodefense laboratory in Maryland that will simulate calamitous bioterrorism attacks, it was reported Sunday.

But much of what the National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center in Fort Detrick, Md., does may never be publicly known because the White House intends to operate the facility largely in secret, the Washington Post reported.

In an unusual arrangement, the building itself will be classified as "highly restricted space," from the reception desk to the lab benches to the cages where animals are kept, the newspaper said.

Not even nuclear labs operate with such secrecy.

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Anyone still believe the porported purpose found in this thread???

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I don't.




posted on Jul, 30 2006 @ 11:44 AM
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I can see the reason to keep your defence research secret but it seems there are more and more restricted areas spawning all the time.



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 02:09 AM
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I just don't understand the need for a such ludicrous amount of money and attention to biodefense. Can anyone tell me the last time a terrorist got into the US and tried to detonate a bioterror device here our on or troops. Does the terrorist even have the labs and safety equipment to manufacture such complex bioterror devices. IMO we need to find out the real intentions behind this new bioterror facility.

[edit on 31-7-2006 by Revelmonk]



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Here's an article from today's Washington Post about the dangers:

Microbes Made From Scratch

Basically the article says that science is rapidly progressing in the area of custom-made microorganisms and that it is now possible for a terrorist organization to hire a well-trained scientist and create their own disease that has no vaccine or cure.




Can anyone tell me the last time a terrorist got into the US and tried to detonate a bioterror device here our on or troops.


What, should we wait until it happens? That's one of the problems with America today, everyone wants to be reactive and not proactive. Let's not worry about a bioterror attack until it happens. That's the same philosphy that brought on the Katrina fiasco, the 9/11 attacks, North Koreas nuke program, and other such events.

Do you want 100,000 Americans to die from a genetically modified disease before the government does anything about it or do you want us to begin planning for such an event now?

People who are complaining about the cost of this facillity now will be the first ones to blame the government after an attack, saying "the government knew about this threat for years and didn't do anything about it."



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 01:55 PM
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Err… when you're dealing with chemical and biological weapons security and protection is not only necessary but essential. You have to keep material and information from getting out, for obvious reasons and you also have to keep unauthorized personnel from getting in, again for obvious reasons. Then there’s the fact that this is a very sensitive issue, and any studies/tests you conduct regarding the lethality of chemical agents and our vulnerable as nation to them should remain classified. This is standard procedure, but if you don’t know what your talking about and or want to hype up a story a secretive biochemical lab must surly exist for only nefarious reasons, go figure. :shk:

Now to address some of the other points brought up.

I suggest everyone go look up Aum Shinrikyo. And while you’re at it have a look over some of the sites below.

Al-Qaeda Planned Gas Attack on New York Subways

The Increasing Threat of Biochemical Terrorism

Biological and Chemical Terrorism

[edit on 31-7-2006 by WestPoint23]



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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What if we "feel" we know what we're talking about?

A concern is not necessarily hype of a story. It can be honest "worry".

Doesn't Maryland seem like the perfect place for such a facility? (NOT !)
Let's put it in a very densely-populated area ? (Why?)

The article goes on to say that "arms control specialists fear that maybe the U.S.
biodefense policy may "skirt the edges" of an international treaty outlawing the
production of even small amounts of biological weapons."
Which means? Anything to worry about here?

There are tests, and there are testers, and there are testees.

And there are testacles, carried by both sides of the issue. The testing may be
necessary, but so should questions of secrecy and location.



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by SIEGE
Doesn't Maryland seem like the perfect place for such a facility? (NOT !)
Let's put it in a very densely-populated area ? (Why?)


That’s where the Armed Forces Medical Intelligence Center is, also know as Ft. Detrick. It dates back to pre WWII; it’s been the main US military research facility regarding biochemical weapons. As such it makes sense to locate any new facility close to that site so that join testing and or research can be done by the two labs.


Originally posted by SIEGE
Which means? Anything to worry about here?


Perhaps, the US can research biological and chemical weapons but we’re not manufacturing and or stockpiling them. We’ve been disposing and destroying our chemical weapons for a while now. Obviously there can be legitimate concerns however the way this thread was presented is another matter altogether…

[edit on 31-7-2006 by WestPoint23]



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 03:10 PM
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Article I

Each State Party to this Convention undertakes never in any circumstances to develop, produce, stockpile or otherwise acquire or retain:

(1) Microbial or other biological agents, or toxins whatever their origin or method of production, of types and in quantities that have no justification for prophylactic, protective or other peaceful purposes;

(2) Weapons, equipment or means of delivery designed to use such agents or toxins for hostile purposes or in armed conflict.
Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction


This is the article of the 1972 Bacteriological and Toxin Weapon Convention that we're dealing with and is being fought about. If the United States can keep up the claim (and who would really fight them?) that they are using these chemicals for genuinely peaceful purposes, then this is a-ok in regards to the convention. Unfortunately, it is what it is, there is no further interpretation that I found saying that this facility will be used in an incorrect manner.

On the other hand, as a voting, tax paying, and decent citizen of the United States, I am disgusted that we would be doing this. I do not trust this government in its current state to be allowed such priviledges. I have no doubt that this will end up not going to peaceful purposes, but I don't think we can prove that unless we get a preciously needed whistleblower.

Thought I would put this in the mix, since this is the largest arguing point I have heard so far.


I also don't see anyone hyping anything, but then again that's just me being a concerned citizen again and questioning subjects that bother me. Anything can be dismissed if you just call it all hype. As they say, "out of sight, out of mind," I suppose. :shk:



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 05:19 PM
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Eh... you do not want the Government to research the effects that biochemical terrorism could have on us? And you don't want them to find new ways to neutralize that threat? As for the rest of your points, your concerns are not rational therefore they are not legitimate in my view. If you don't have anything more concrete besides your dislike/distrust for this administration then this is pretty pointless don't you think...?



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 05:27 PM
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Perhaps the reason of the secrecy is because they will be using human beings for the research, like instead of keeping enemy combatants indefinitely they just put them to work as subjects. . .for studies.



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Eh... you do not want the Government to research the effects that biochemical terrorism could have on us? And you don't want them to find new ways to neutralize that threat? As for the rest of your points, your concerns are not rational therefore they are not legitimate in my view. If you don't have anything more concrete besides your dislike/distrust for this administration then this is pretty pointless don't you think...?


Do you respond to every poster that makes a comment that is deemed "not legitimate" in your view, or was I the lucky one today? I voiced my concerns, I was not arguing with you, nor was I responding particularly to you, so I don't see why you picked my post to respond to like this. When I read something that I find to be an illegitimate concern, in my opinion, I ignore it. So yeah, I guess it is pretty pointless. Didn't know that I couldn't put out my views on the matter.

In fact, my main reason for making a post at all, was to make people aware of exactly what the convention includes, as I have heard arguments outside of this site that used this as a defense, and I was showing that it wasn't good defense material to be against this lab. So in fact, I beefed up your side of the argument more than I could have beefed up mine, so I really don't see a problem here.


Have a good'n.



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