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by Odium: You can use the examples, Zappafan1 does. Claiming, Adolf Hitler, World War Two Germany and many Nation’s are similar to a rag-tag, militia. Is almost laughable but I’ll explain that in his part of the post.
As Zappafan1 decided to use the American Revolutionary Army, he made a large mistake. Firstly, the British Empire was never destroyed by them
but not (support) those that are Islamic in origin.
Don't you think that Israeli children are also indoctrinated into the (false) believe that all palestinians are destined to be suicide bombers?
Odium my hat is off to you....an excellent post and beachcoma very well done too....unfortunately they won't pay attention to a single word you wrote, all they want to hear is reinforcements of their own simple minded "ideas".
JudahMaccabbi, the issue with things like Operation Entebbee, is fully understandable. On one hand, you can’t set-up a system which rewards them for these actions. However, you can set-up a system which rewards them for not acting in such a manor and this is where Israel at present is lacking. Take the example of what hezbollah just did.
If Israel, are willing to sit down with them they can set down a framework. They sit with hezbollah and find out what they want - of course, idiotic things such as the destruction of Israel will not happen. However, they can sit with them and say: If we are at peace for X amount of time, we’ll release those who we have arrested. This will limit the ability for hezbollah to radicalise the population. Furthermore, the United State’s can redirect much of the funding to Israel into their own companies to help rebuild Lebanon. This would very much created damage reduction from the recent attacks and would help to show the United State’s and Israel in a positive light to those in the Middle East and would do more to stop attacks than the bombs will.
Originally posted by grover
It seems to me more than anything Oslo and the years immediately after proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fatah was not the party to negotiate with, not because they were faithless as you suggest Judah, but that in the long run all they were was an umbrella group and so decentralized that they were incapable of controlling their various factions. Which is of course what they kept saying and that the Israeli government kept ignoring. I would suggest that it is this very decenteralization that led to its failure as a government and the election of Hamas.
Setting up a reward system failed with the Palestinians miserably. This can be debated to death but under OSLO they received what they never had self-determination under Palestinian rule. They took advantage of OSLO to stike at Israel wherever possible.
I speak to you not out of speculation. I have met and spoke with Arabs and Muslims alike on this issue.
The problem with this though, JudahMaccabbi is that the rewards were not based on their behaviour. Furthermore, Israel never stopped attacked the Gaza Strip. In fact, Israel still during the period where the Palestinian People were attempting to sort out their Government and determine their future Israel did not hold back. If anything has shown us in Britain how we had to deal with the Irish republican Army, it was not to do this quick knee-jerk reaction. On the surface, it looks wise to strike back and kill those who kill your own but we learned it caused more problems.
…and I live in a Muslim Community in Britain. I’ve only ever met one person here that calls for the destruction of Israel, all of them ask for what I have said. Everyone I have met sees the problem of Israel constantly killing civilians and then masking it as going after terrorists. This is what many Muslims I have met find the most insulting thing, is how the Israeli Government can constantly bomb the Gaza Strip and then claim they have given up the land. Kill innocent people and call them collateral damage.
"Hezbollah forces haven't killed any Israeli civilians for more than a decade. Indeed, a 2002 Congressional Research Service report noted, in its analysis of Hezbollah, that “no major terrorist attacks have been attributed to it since 1994.
Thank you zappa you just proved my point.
The American Revolution ended at the PARIS PEACE TREATY.
it is quite intelligent and very informed but I have no hope that zappa or any of his buddies could even possibly understand it.