why dont we just make iraq an america state?, page 1
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reply posted on 30-7-2006 @ 10:53 AM by rich23
The Monroe Doctrine, expressed in 1823, proclaimed the United States' opinion that European powers should no longer colonize the Americas or interfere with the affairs of sovereign nations located in the Americas, such as the United States of America, Mexico, and others. In return, the United States planned to stay neutral in wars between European powers and in wars between a European power and its colonies. However, if these latter type of wars were to occur in the Americas, the U.S. would view such action as hostile toward itself.


From the
Wikipedia entry.

So it's rather irrelevant, as Iraq is neither European nor one of its colonies.

As for turning Iraq into a US state benefiting all the people there... don't you think they've had enough "benefit" already?

They're upset by being ruled by puppets and occupied by a hotstile, trigger-happy army that shoots pregnant women and burns the corpses of raped teenagers as it is. Do you think that by waving a magic wand and saying "you are now a US state" they'll all just be deleriously happy?

This is delusional thinking.


reply posted on 30-7-2006 @ 07:48 PM by rich23
The US purports to be against colonizing... except in the cases of Hawaii, the Philippines (and you might want to check out what Mark Twain had to say about THAT little adventure - he was, imo, a truly great American), Puerto Rico, Guam, Diego Garcia and a handful of other tiny spots.

But actually, when you look at the history, you find, for example, that the main point of the Monroe doctrine was to announce to the rest of the world that Central and South America was US PROPERTY - HANDS OFF. There has been a continual parade of interventions, invasions, and coups which have all been designed to subjugate the South American states, the latest of which were Haiti in 2003 and Venezuela in 2002 - the latter, I'm ecstatic to report, unsuccessful.

The Monroe doctrine was ignored by the US in any event: they were instrumental in the coup that brought the military cabal to power in Greece in the sixties, and they interfered in Italian and French politics to try and destroy the Communist party in those countries. They also removed the Gough Whitlam government in Australia in the mid-seventies.

As for Indonesia, it followed a remarkably consistent US pattern, as
this link (the first one I came across, as it happens, but it works rather well) demonstrates.

As it was on the way to the printers, both the CIA and the United States State Department took action to block the publication of a book detailing U.S. covert action and goverment involvement in the coup in Indonesia which resulted in the loss of up to one million lives (the victims of the U.S. sponsored purge were leftists, not surprisingly). The documents have been reproduced on the George Washington University Archive site and reveal that American involvement included passing the names of leftists to the Indonesian death squads (with the Ambassador at the time suggesting that these steps were required since, on their own, the Indonesia military seemed to be to clueless to figure out who these people were themselves.)
In one of the more interesting quotes from the article the embassy reports back to Washington at the time that "We frankly do not know whether the real figure" of communists who have been killed "is closer to 100,000 or 1,000,000 but believe it wiser to err on the side of the lower estimates, especially when questioned by the press." The comminiques also address the possibility of public disclosure of U.S. covert action and involvement in the massacres by noting that "The chances of detection or subsequent revelation of our support in this instance are as minimal as any black bag operation can be."


Against colonizing? Overtly, yes, covertly, no.
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