ATS policy on "Activist" Recruiting [READ]

Yes, you have all probably read the thread by Springer (one of the three amigos at ATS) where he has informed us of ATS policy on activists and why ATS does not show support to any group or encouragement.

Here is the statement by Springer:

Here at AboveTopSecret.com we do NOT advocate anything, we don't endorse anything, we are the proverbial fence. Were we to endorse a cause or position we instantly become opposed to its counter position. In doing that we lose that side of the issue's representation here.

The ONLY "officially sanctioned" thing we have ever participated in is giving money to a charity that teaches adults to read. We pulled out of that when we found out the material they were "teaching" with was nothing but ONE SIDED political propaganda!

To think this site could possibly endorse one position of ANY topic is to utterly misunderstand why we built this site. The Denial of Ignorance is NOT a call to arms or action.

Full statement can be found here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The reason I, your FSME, have decided to repost the statement in the New World Order Section is to warn of dangers of activist groups, especially those surrounding anti-NWO movements.

Anti-NWO groups can be defined in one word. Miltants. In a British television program called Secret Rulers of the World, anti-NWO groups where shown displaying numerous guns and weapons. They see themselves as defenders of freedom and have training camps to prepare themselves for the battle against the NWO. Some and most are listed as terrorist groups by the FBI.

What does this have to do with ATS? well, during my two years as FSME on the NWO, I have read and responded to numerous posts and threads about the idea of creating resistance groups and underground networks to combat the NWO. This later built on the idea of "bringing down the NWO" plus the idea of how to arm and protect yourself. Anyone from outside ATS, with an agenda, could read into those statement in so many ways which can result in unwanted attention. Such threads can harm and damage ATS, making the owners out as showing support towards groups with extremist ideas (which is against ATS policy).

If you want to contribute towards exposing the NWO, why not do what many are doing, writting articles, media productions, books, website, online discussion, etc.

Thank you

[edit on 27-7-2006 by infinite]

[edit on 9-4-2008 by infinite]

Indeed, especially becuse the original forumulation of hte NWO was that of an internationalist socialist dictatorship, many of the anti-NWO groups were extreme right wing militant groups and extremist nationalist groups.

This debate thread illustrates some of the problems with anti-NWO groups:
Zenlover28 vs. The Vagabond: Nazi NWO.

thanks for the info guys, will make sure to move my recruiting stand down the road to the next door neighbor's kid's lemonade stand.... I'm joking!!!!! but seriously thanks...

On the 22nd of september there shall be a worldwide demonstration against the new world order and RFID chips. The time to say no more has finally arrived. cities already taking part are leeds, amsterdam, berlin, viena, sydney, lisbon, etc...Get your groups involved, make shirts, banners, call your local media and get them to cover it, tell the world sat at home infront of their TVs what is really happening. Spread the word, get the world involved.

I must admit, plato and socrates would be proud,
the hour is upon us my friends, if the democracy is
to continue, we must maintain free foundations like
abovetopsecret for our gain or else, our peril.

The destruction of a society can be due to many phenomena.
The destruction of an established government can only be because
of apathy.

The hour is upon us, many will not see the light of dawn.
though we may fall in the sidelines, become ensconced in reservations.
Though i ask you only for the floor, it may cost you your identity,your time,
your patronage,do not fear, your patriotism can not be taken.

A post is not enough, we must have unity.

our forfathers carved this land to live unmolested, let us not return empty-handed
"Give me Liberty or Give me Death"

*SNIP*

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[edit on 3/9/2007 by Mirthful Me]

reply to post by infinite


I'm sure someone on this site has posted something similar to what I have to say. I really don't understand extremist groups for any cause, religious or political. The hate groups such as the KKK, anti this or anti that groups that want to topple the gov't, expose the truth, etc. It can't happen, it will never happen for these groups but as long as they think they have a chance they will keep trying, how cute. I'm on this site for kicks, big brother may be watching and I don't care.

99% of everyone lacks understanding about the NWO. YOu do not understand the degree of evil or misguided good intensions. If people really understood what the NWO, antichrist and end times were they would collectiveley band together and destroy this evil from among our midst.
But peopes of the earth are in a stupor and very very few understand.
It is God's intention to surround the people with the last and most evil empire. That is why there is no coehesive and formidable foe at this time against the NWO. This is the price we pay for not accepting God's only begotten son. cantyousee

If you want to rally against the NWO, fine, but do not start activist campaigns on ATS. We are not suggesting you stop posting about the desire to combat world government, but planning to construct networks, cells and underground groups are against T&C.

This thread was not intended to start a debate, just to protect members from saying anything that could get them in trouble

[edit on 9-4-2008 by infinite]

Read the post and I understand your position.

After a string of recruiting, I have bumped this thread.

All members, who post in the NWO section, so read my comments [and ATS policy] before creating a thread.

Infinite:
"This later built on the idea of "bringing down the NWO" plus the idea of how to arm and protect yourself. Anyone from outside ATS, with an agenda, could read into those statement in so many ways which can result in unwanted attention. Such threads can harm and damage ATS, making the owners out as showing support towards groups with extremist ideas (which is against ATS policy)."

Isnt the NWO in and of itself an extremist idea? People support the NWO without even knowing it, as they murder, poison, lie, cheat, steal, destroy, and enslave...

Infinite:
"If you want to contribute towards exposing the NWO, why not do what many are doing, writting articles, media productions, books, website, online discussion, etc."

We can only hope the pen(or the keyboard) is mightier than the death laser cannons on the moon, the stocked nuclear payloads, the weather control technology, the mind control towers, the international bankers, the secret worldwide mass undergound bases, the FEMA concentration camps, the vatican, the aliens, the illuminati entertainment symbolism, the Multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies(experimental mind control drugs) the NSA, CIA, KGB, UNICEF, and the Mafia...

We can only hope... for, wait what are we hoping for?

reply to post by zausuaz


The context of the opening post is not up for discussion.

We do not recruit or show bias towards activist either on ATS.

What a shame that we should have to be so afraid. Any true patriot knows what I'm talking about.

The Constitution states that as an American you MUST combat and fight anything and anyone who tries to bring down our republic. It is our DUTY as Americans.....so says our Constitution. It is the LAW that we live under and it represents a real ideal.

It is NOT something we should be afraid of. It is something to embrace. The Constitution is the first time in all of history where the PEOPLE claim their right as sovereigns. The ideal is that WE THE PEOPLE run the government. Not the other way around.

Since this is a privately owned website I will abide by your rules. But please spare us of excess warnings about wanting to fight anti-Americanism. It is our DUTY to do so IF you believe in the ideals laid out by our founding fathers.

Please read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution if anyone doubts what I'm saying.

Originally posted by infinite
Anti-NWO groups can be defined in one word. Miltants. In a British television program called Secret Rulers of the World, anti-NWO groups where shown displaying numerous guns and weapons.

Militants? Jon Ronson deliberately went after militant groups for his series, this by no means indicates that all anti-NWO groups are militant.

I'm thinking of the writings of Noam Chomsky, Micheal Parenti, or even Jim Marrs which would surely be considered anti-NWO, yet there is nothing militant about them. David Icke... anti-NWO? yes. Militant? no. (Icke was features in Ronson's second installment for the Secret Ruler of the World series)

Even the relatively new Zeitgeist movement, anti-NWO but far from being militant. (although many consider the movement to be repackaged NWO)

Many of us on ATS are against the NWO, but IMO are far from being militant or advocating the use of violence.

I do realize your OP was written 2 years ago, but I just can't agree with the statement that anti-NWO groups are necessarily militant by definition.


[edit on 1/11/08 by ConspiracyNut23]

Excellent timing for this thread to reappear.

We are living in desperate times. It is indeed beneficial to keep any plans or proposed group activity on the "down low" at this time.

It is certainly unwise to publish militant or anti government strategy in open forums.

If you are inclined to engage in such activity do use your imagination to accomplish your end result.

In closing may I say I am a law abiding, tax paying, American citizen and never would associate myself with such groups.

Thread Closed at request of the FSME

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