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44-Year-Old Man Faces ID Ordeal When Buying Beer

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posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
beer is a controlled susbstance, hence the need to show id to purchase



In casual language, you may say it's controllled since there are laws regarding its sale. But in the U.S., Controlled Substance has a very specific legal meaning due to laws under that name that only restrict the sale of some addictive prescription drugs and illegal drugs. Alcohol is not covered under these laws, but by separate laws covering only the sale of alcohol.




posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by the_sentinal
Sounds like harassment to me maybe the clerk knew the guy from somewhere else and just wanted to get back at him for some other issue


yes it was probably that, seems like someone was trying to get back at this guy or harass him and he freaked out. i also lke how he plugged alex jones infowars.com in his freakout. a little suspicious to me.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77

Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
beer is a controlled susbstance, hence the need to show id to purchase



In casual language, you may say it's controllled since there are laws regarding its sale. But in the U.S., Controlled Substance has a very specific legal meaning due to laws under that name that only restrict the sale of some addictive prescription drugs and illegal drugs. Alcohol is not covered under these laws, but by separate laws covering only the sale of alcohol.

it dosent really matter. the law is you have to show id. i understand that and it makes total sense to me. we can argue semantics all day



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:51 AM
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Trashbag,

You dont think that taking down the guys information on a scrap of paper is a little suspicious?
I do.

BTW, i can understand where you're coming from as far as "paranoia" but, what is causing this massive delusion on the American population? Think about that for a minute. We are consistently experiencing things during this administration that we have never experienced before. I think its "insight" and a "knowing" besides the obvious, that is making the population react to such articles.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Trash_Bag_Helmet
it dosent really matter. the law is you have to show id. i understand that and it makes total sense to me. we can argue semantics all day


I don't mean to be nit-picking but it's not just a semantic issue. For example if a 5 year old falls and breaks a leg, he can get morphine in a hospital, but could never get a scotch at a bar. Also the U.S. Constitution specifically gives states the power to regulate alcohol but drugs are covered by a melange of both state and federal laws.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Trashbag,

You dont think that taking down the guys information on a scrap of paper is a little suspicious?
I do.

BTW, i can understand where you're coming from as far as "paranoia" but, what is causing this massive delusion on the American population? Think about that for a minute. We are consistently experiencing things during this administration that we have never experienced before. I think its "insight" and a "knowing" besides the obvious, that is making the population react to such articles.


massive delusion? this is a small town case of he said she said. i am sure if alex would have done some investigation, tryed to contact the cheveron station and get to the bottom of this, like a RESPONSIBLE journalist would, i am sure he would find out that this was a lot less of an issue than was previously thought. i do think its suspicious. i dont thing it is adding to the delusion of the american population. people who cry chicken, about anything, are on the other hand deluding the population. it is fear designed to control. they dont need a police state

the reason people respond to such articles is because they are designed to instill fear

[edit on 27-7-2006 by Trash_Bag_Helmet]



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77

Originally posted by Trash_Bag_Helmet
it dosent really matter. the law is you have to show id. i understand that and it makes total sense to me. we can argue semantics all day


I don't mean to be nit-picking but it's not just a semantic issue. For example if a 5 year old falls and breaks a leg, he can get morphine in a hospital, but could never get a scotch at a bar. Also the U.S. Constitution specifically gives states the power to regulate alcohol but drugs are covered by a melange of both state and federal laws.


okay its not under the controlled substance act. you got me. i doubt they would give morphine to a five year old though, especially for a broken leg



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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Guys.... we're missing the bigger picture here....


Where did this happen... did you see the price of the gasoine !!!

2.57gal... WoW, I'd take that right now..





posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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I don't think it is odd or wrong to ask the guy for his ID.

However I don't think it is right for the clerk to write his info down, I am not even sure that is legal. I don't know, something tells me that this clerk was not being right. I doubt that is a company policy. Sounds like an identity theft case to me.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:22 AM
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I do not see why many of you are making a big deal out of this. Just last year virtually all stores in Wisconsin starting to card anyone regardless of age. Walmart had established the same policy perhaps two years if not longer which was the start.



The ID checks at all Roundy's-owned Pick 'N Save and Copps food stores in Wisconsin are part of the company's new policy requiring cashiers to check the age of everyone buying cigarettes or alcohol — whether they look 21 or 91. Roundy's owns 77 stores in Wisconsin, nearly all of which are Pick 'N Save or Copps.

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Wal-Mart, the country's largest grocer, cards anyone buying tobacco or alcohol who looks under age 27, spokeswoman Sharon Weber said. She said the age limit was adopted after the chain consulted with attorneys general in several states.

Supermarket chain carding all


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Several states also require the carding of individuals to buy beer now just as they have required the carding of individuals buying cigarettes for years.

Senate bill requires ID to buy beer


Carding everyone also protects the stores from discrimination lawsuits based on age and I have no problem showing my DL when I buy beer or liquor at all.

Trash bag see above you are incorrect when you stated "this is a small town case of he said she said."

[edit on 7/27/2006 by shots]



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:29 AM
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Shots,

So now we card for beer. 1 beer. ok. Carding up to now has meant the showing of your ID. to the clerk, he looks at THE DATE on the I.D. and that's that.
Why the need to write it down???? ie. Name, address, soc sec #, etc?? I still say this guy was acting on orders from higher ups at the store, WHICH DOESNT MAKE THIS AN ISOLATED CASE, imo.
This is taking carding to a whole nother level.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by shots
Carding everyone also protects the stores from discrimination lawsuits based on age and I have no problem showing my DL when I buy beer or liquor at all.


Yeah, it's fine with me to have someone glance at my ID to check my age, but actually writing down all the information on it seems fishy to me.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77

Originally posted by shots
Carding everyone also protects the stores from discrimination lawsuits based on age and I have no problem showing my DL when I buy beer or liquor at all.


Yeah, it's fine with me to have someone glance at my ID to check my age, but actually writing down all the information on it seems fishy to me.
THIS is the core of the problem here. Now they want names???

Analyze this. This could be a potential huge problem for the buyer nowadays.


[edit on 27-7-2006 by dgtempe]



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Why the need to write it down???? ie. Name, address, soc sec #, etc?? I still say this guy was acting on orders from higher ups at the store, WHICH DOESNT MAKE THIS AN ISOLATED CASE, imo.
This is taking carding to a whole nother level.


What info do you have that the clerk was actually acting from higher ups besides the fact that they said they were?

I don't know, sounds like an attempted identity theft issue to me.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:34 AM
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I don't know about all that other stuff, I.D. theft, rights to do what you when you want, blah, blah. Hell if I was 44 and someone asked me for proof of age to buy beer? Hell I'd kiss the guy
Lighten up guys.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Shots,

So now we card for beer. 1 beer. ok. Carding up to now has meant the showing of your ID. to the clerk, he looks at THE DATE on the I.D. and that's that.
Why the need to write it down???? ie. Name, address, soc sec #, etc?? I still say this guy was acting on orders from higher ups at the store, WHICH DOESNT MAKE THIS AN ISOLATED CASE, imo.
This is taking carding to a whole nother level.


All the store is doing is following the examples set by other stores, Pick N save also writes the info down this is no isolated instance as you assumed.

Here an example from new York shows they are doing the very same there for over three years.



The dominant "super"market in my neighborhood (SIDEBAR: there are no true supermarkets in New York City -- only overgrown bodegas), Food Emporium, part of the A&P chain, has been carding everyone as long as I've been not-quite-shopping there (almost three years). It's silly, to be sure, but the real scandal, and the reason I refuse to buy beer there -- is that the cashiers enter your birthday into the register! So now they have your birthday and your credit card number, not to mention all the information stored on those member cards that I refuse to get (that's about as anarchist as I get).

Source


See proof positive this is not an isolated instance so you can put away your panic pills.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:38 AM
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Snowflake, of course i dont have any proof other than what the article says. How do you know its not true? How do we know anything?
If the story goes as stated on that website, the store clerk overstepped his boundaries and so did the store, by actually writting down all that information.
To card someone is to glance at the card and look for a birthday. At least it was before.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:38 AM
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That is mild.

They're now going to identify what you are on your ID.

Alabama now requires adult sex offenders to obtain and have in their possession a state-issued driver’s license or identification that bears a designation that enables law enforcement officers to identify the person as a criminal sex offender.
In this case, I like it, but I don't like where this will lead.Here

Loisiana: My home state

To get into your own housing complex:

A local housing authority may establish and implement such regulations, procedures, and systems as it deems appropriate for the identification of persons and vehicles present on its developments or other property.
This is my state that does this, but at least "big brother" isn't issuing orders on how. Here

On Casinos: You can be in jail for 6 months with an altered liscense. here
False ID in general: here

Because of 9/11: Resolution, mostly

But what I was really looking for is the laws that govern when you have to carry State Identification. It's basically illegal to go anywhere in this state without some form of identification. Not highly enforced, but it is there.

But that attendant had no need to get all that information, unless you were paying with a check.

[edit on 27-7-2006 by jlc163]



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:41 AM
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I must remember to carry my ID when i go for my walks, then.

This is nuts and we all know it. Just one more twist to tighten the noose further.



posted on Jul, 27 2006 @ 10:44 AM
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Shots,

Entering the DOB on registers is old. Your little blurb doesnt mention name, address and such specifics. Besides, i always take 10 years off and give a fake dob- who's going to question it???


Even if they ask you your date of birth, you're using your discount card, and they have all your info, its not as cojonuo (figure that one out)
as to come out and blatantly ask for all your info right there.

[edit on 27-7-2006 by dgtempe]



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