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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Holy crap buddy, were did you learn to read?...
Is that so frickin hard to understand??...
Good try though dfag....
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
The government once considered Area 51 non-existent, meaning if you asked them for information about Area 51 they would reply: "Area 51 doesn't exist", because that is what they were told to say. During Clinton's presidency, that changed. Now if you asked them for information about Area 51, they would say: "No comment", because people knew officially that Area 51 existed, so saying "it doesn't exist" would be a straight lie.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Clearly defined edge?? LOL psp
Clearly defined edge?? More like clearly defined blending of dirt and object.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
This quote here clearly shows your lack of ability to read. I never once claimed the place-mark was "true", nor did I ever imply it was "evidence". I simply pointed out that it was 2 opinions versus 1 opinion. Nothing more.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Originally posted by gfad
No its not. A dry lake bed is very smooth and large with no defining features, meaning that a pilot cannot get a sense of perspective or height.
Papoose Lake is a dry salt lake. The color of the lake bed is extremely WHITE, which also stands out in the night time. Do you know what a salt lake is? Here, let me show you pictures of dry salt lakes...
I think you get the point..
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
b.t.w why did you ignore my GPS suggestion? Surely if they were testing alien craft, they would have GPS.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
If this was such "a highly experienced test pilot", why didn't he record the altitude of the surface of the runway before taking of? I'm certain highly experienced pilots know how to "fly by instrument" when they can't rely on visual confirmation. If he knew the altitude of the surface of the runway, he would be able to check his altimeter to know when he will hit the ground.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Also there is clear signs of earth movement, and digging, probably by a large earth mover, or tractor. Why would they push that big wall of dirt over, just to set an unused tank, or piece of aircraft?
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Maybe the "scaffolding" or, power/phone lines, or antenna, is farther away then you think?
Why so far from the bone yard?
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Tell me, where did the Air Force build and test this Tunnel Boring Machine? And why is it almost the same width as the object in Area 51? AND WHY WOULD THE AIR FORCE NEED A TUNNEL BORING MACHINE FOR THE GROUND?
Originally posted by gfad
Ah good old insults and agression, the last resort of a failing argument. Anyone who has tried to talk reason and logic to conspiracy nuts on ATS has seen this a million times.
Originally posted by gfad
Do you still not get it. Just because someone denies something doesnt mean they think it is non-existant, in fact the exact opposite is true. If someone knows something but chooses to keep it secret doesnt mean they think its not true. They know its true but are lying about it!
I'm still not going to believe in an underground base at Groom or Papoose lake until i see ONE SCRAP of evidence.
Well good luck with that, Area 51 used to be considered Non-existent. How do you find evidence of something that was considered non-existent?
Originally posted by gfad
Theres no point in using any of the fancy photoshop filters on this screen capture as the google earth image is already processed and quite pixelated already. But by changing the brightness and contrast of the image you can see an above ground cylindrical object with some kind of support stucture. You can also see some sort of glare coming off the back edge exagerated by the processing the image has been through already which goes some way to explain why it looks blended into the ground.
Originally posted by gfad
The points that you have labelled "blending starts here" "and ends here" are the two edges of the grid of slightly pixelated squares.
Originally posted by gfad
Secondly the black lines continue on baclwards because they are poles and the view is not from directly vertically above. In fact you can tell which side we are viewing from because we can see one open end of the pipe and tis correlates with the view of the scaffolding.
Originally posted by gfad
If you werent trying to use it as proof or evidence then why did you bother to say it in a discussion of your flawed argument?
Originally posted by gfad
No I dont get the point!
I know exactly what a dry lakebed is.
Originally posted by gfad
I ignored it because its ludicrous. Why would an alien spacecraft be built with instruments that are dependant on a human satellite system? Even if the AF had fitted the craft with GPS it doesnt help the dire situation you are in if you cant work out where you are or how high you are from visual cues.
Originally posted by gfad
I cant believe you would sare to question the ability of Bruce Peterson, a highly skilled test pilot.
Originally posted by gfad
Yes the ground has been flattened slightly to put the tank on but that "wall of dirt" has always been there. On this satellite photo from 1968 you can see that feature before there was any major building in the area.
Originally posted by gfad
You can see one of the scaffolding poles casting a shadow onto the side of the tank.
Originally posted by gfad
I dont know why its so far from the boneyard, thats just where they chose to put that tank!
Originally posted by gfad
I dont know, but how do you know its the same width as the tank at area 51?
Originally posted by gfad
I think its time we got some input from other posters on this topic. Can anyone else see a tank which is also visible in the dreamland resort panorama or is it just me?
Originally posted by gfad
OK I have got another picture on dreamland resort which shows the tank. Unfortunately it doesnt show the other end of it but it does show an end in dark shadow similar to the ends of the hangars also in the picture.
You can see the picture here.
Originally posted by gfad
You can also see the tank in :this photo. Its a bit grainy but you can see the tank. I found this through dreamland resort too.
Originally posted by gfad
Again is it just me that can see this? :lol
Originally posted by gfad
I think the best question is WHY? Why would you spend millions if not billions of dollars on building a brand new base into the mountain (without a runway BTW) for testing "alien craft" when there is a perfectly good base just a few miles away designed especially for testing secret aircraft.
The same applies to people talking about underground bases ... why build an underground base to hide aircraft when normal buildings and hangars do it just as well at a fraction of the cost.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Actually my argument holds way more water than yours.. you are all over the place.. first you say aircraft fuselage, then fuel tank, then scaffolding.. .. it keeps going and going and going.. whats next? Is it shamoos old swim tank? A special piece of the Titanic? Are you going to say its an upside down half pipe that Area 51 employees flip over and skateboard on, during free time?
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
MAN! SERIOUSLY! It is YOU that doesn't get it! Even after I made it completely clear. You are ridiculous man! For the third damn time I will have to explain to you what I meant...
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
LOL, re-read that quote buddy. I'm seriously laughing out loud at you. First you say there is no point in filters, then you continue to say changing the brightness and contrast will support your claims... FUNNY STUFF MAN. B.T.W. I used Paint Shop Pro X. They have a tool called the "EDGE FINDER". It will outline obvious solid lines in the picture. The fact that it didn't find any solid lines on a spot you said was "clearly defined", is just hilarious. I can't believe you even said it had a solid line, when it clearly shows dirt blending on top of the tunnel.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Obviously you ahve no clue. I am talking about a dry salt lake. It is really really white. If you were 10,000 feet in the air at night, you would see it. If the moon is shining, you will still see it. This will get you in the "area" of your landing. Now all you need to do is keep an eye on your altimeter (altitude). If you know the altitude of ground levvel of the lake, you will not crash into it. GOT IT NOW?
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Well maybe you should believe it, because I just did. Crashing an aircraft does not mean you are a good pilot. I can't believe he didn't use his instruments to help him land.... thats what good pilots are supposed to do...
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Of course you don't know... you don't know anything, you just claim you do.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Originally posted by gfad
I think its time we got some input from other posters on this topic. Can anyone else see a tank which is also visible in the dreamland resort panorama or is it just me?
IT IS JUST YOU! You are getting confused by the shadows. You think it is a full pipe, when it is actually HALF a pipe, half buried in the ground.
Originally posted by gfad
From the ignorance you are showing in that quote I doubt that you have clocked no where near 6000 flight hours, in fact I doubt whether you have ever clocked a single flight hour. Have you ever been in a cockpit? And no a PC flight simulator doesnt count.
Originally posted by gfad
There is a montage of four photos of the same object. Unfortunately some of the end of the tank of obscured in 3 of them by the hill you can see in the satellite photo.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
I'm going to just ignore everything you posted above, since you clearly lack a brain. I'm starting to think your native language isn't English to, since you clearly lack the ability to comprehend what I'm saying.
Geee, I wonder why 3 of the picture are "obscured by the hill" in the back. MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE HILL.
Speechless? No Im just kidding.
Originally posted by gfad
I dont think this argument is going anywhere since we are apparently talking a different language! Just because someone denies something is true doesnt mean they think it doesnt exist.
They will carve 21-foot diameter tunnels and install pre-cast concrete tunnel liners.
Originally posted by gfad
I believe it to be a fully cylindrical object, like a diesel tank or something of that sort.
Originally posted by gfad
I thought that object was 21ft and you said NO its 27 ft. Surely the AF would be able to get a custom one also.
Originally posted by gfad
You know what I find your comments absolutely ridiculous since I feel the same about you. Keep saying the same things like talking about dry salt lakes and you go on to explain what a dry salt lake is and then give photos that fully support my points. I think you are quite obnoxious.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Thats why ALL photos show a black shadow on the front. All pictures show it going into the ground on the other end. It is a tunnel.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
This was my claim about the dry salt lake....
If you are 10,000 feet in the air, AT NIGHT, and you need to quickly find your landing zone, a pure white dry salt lake would be VERY easy to see from that altitude. Especially with small moon lighting. That would give you a very good idea of where your landing zone is. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT LANDING, USING THIS VISUAL.. I only said this would be a great way to find your way back. Then you use your flight instruments to land..
Your claim is this...
During landing, you wouldn't be able to detect your altitude by looking at the lake bed.
Your claim is weak. Since landing lights on the aircraft would give you a great idea of your altitude when it shines on the lake. Plus, a skilled pilot would know the altitude of his landing zone, so he can watch his altimeter and know when he will touch down.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Anyway... I'm done with you... I don't know why I didn't look before, but I just found out you were from the UK. I now know your intentions.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
One last note... Bruce Peterson didn't crash in a dry SALT lake, he crash in a regular dry lake.
Originally posted by gfad
I dont really know what you mean by this but you are clearly being racist and even more obnoxious than you were earlier. If you cant compete with a real factual argument supported by real sources then dont post. Dont try and vindicate yourself with preconceptions and prejudices.