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UNCOVERED: Russian-Syrian-Iranian Axis!!!

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posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 08:37 AM
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Well the writting is all over the wall on this one. I think they may have been planing this for a very long time, pre USSR collapse. I just read about this guy a couple of days ago, his name is Anatoliy Golitsyn.


Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn (b. August 25, 1926 in Piryatin) was a high level KGB spy who defected to the United States via Helsinki in 1961.

Golitsyn was a figure of considerable controversy within the Western intelligence community, with a small faction (most prominently James Jesus Angleton) believing him to be a genuine defector but with others concluding that he was a disinformation agent. A few years after Golitsyn defected, Yuri Nosenko also defected, and the information provided by Nosenko contradicted Golitsyn on many points. Not surprisingly, those who believed Golitsyn to be genuine, believed Nosenko to be the fake; and vice versa.

Among other things, Golitsyn claimed that the USSR had long range plans to take over the USA that included taking down the Berlin Wall, faking the end of communism and lulling the USA into a false sense of security. He wrote his views in his books New Lies For Old and The Perestroika Deception which were published in 1984 and 1995 respectively. Perhaps Golitsyn's most notorious claim was that the Rt Hon. Harold Wilson (then Prime Minister of the United Kingdom) was a KGB agent.


As history has now proven, about 94% of his predictions from his 1984 book "New Lies For Old", have happened; putting Golitsyn in a class of his own in this area of the intelligence community.

en.wikipedia.org...
Another article about Golitsyn

It also would explain there new missile system that can pass through anti-missle systems. www.washtimes.com...

They tested it in 2005, but how long does it take for R&D, and then production of these systems ? 5+ years ? That would put the start date of devolpment of this system prior to Bush taking office and him annoucing the withdrawl from the ABM treaty. We are the only country with an ABM system, so those missles are obviously meant for us.


[edit on 28-7-2006 by wackedoutgeek]




posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by the_sentinal
The perception of the russian government would indeed be that the U.S. is spreading its democracy strategically
across the middle east. causing a greater willingness on the part of the russian leaders to help defend Iran.


Sorry to bring this up so late in the conversation but I had to first pick myself up off the floor and wipe the tears from my eyes before I could type again! "Spreading its democracy strategically" - that really cracks me up!



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.E

Russia perhaps instigated the fight with Iraq, Im sure bush and co still had it sights on it anyways. Russia probably expected a different outcome in Iraq then what happend (although still not good).


Not really, Russians officials were watching with interest the fight in Iraq, to learn from it, not only did they learn from it but they were able to get many people into believing the U.S. shouldn't have ousted Saddam's regime... One way or the other, the Russian government was going to win something out of this war.


Originally posted by Mr.E
Sounds like this plan has been into effect for the last 60 years since the end of WWII, Russia has been playing this role forever, but that didnt turn out to great?


It didn't?.... i guess there are no large groups of people all over the world claiming the United States comitted a crime by going into Iraq?.....


Originally posted by Mr.E
Capitalism triumphed over the commies.


There was some respite in some parts of the world, but Communism still exists. There is a quote that puts in perspective what Communism has done. "The greatest trick the devil ever played on mankind, is making them believe that it didn't exist". In this case the devil is Communism.

We have had some staff members, including one supermoderator, who you would think were a little more intelligent than that, in these forums claim that "Communism was never a threat", or "the threat of Communism was showed down the throat of Americans", or "dissidents from Communist countries are only being paid by the U.S. government to say the things they say", etc, etc. We even had one Senator Barbara Boxer claim "Communism is dead, it doesn't exist anymore"....when half of the world is still under Communist regimes....


Originally posted by Mr.E
Russia is doing the samething they have always done, trying to undermine us. Just as we did to them, and maybe to an extent still do today. Im sure every country, within its intelligence agency and military agency have a great master plan to ruin evey other country.


They are doing more than just "trying to undermine us", and btw if the United States really wanted to destroy the Russian government we would have never sent any aid to Russia. Part of the reason that the Kremlin is still in power and they are following with their plan is because U.S. officials believed, like so many other people, that Communism was dead in Russia and that they needed aid to survive.

The Russians used that aid to keep their regime afloat, making some changes to keep the world from believing that Communism was not dead.


Originally posted by Mr.E
China doesnt exactly have a great history with Russia as well. I doubt there is any sort of great plan between the two without each other doublecrossing the other. Afterall, they all want the same resources.


Enemies have united in the past to fight common enemies, that is one of the most important leasons that history teaches.


Originally posted by Mr.E
The only part of this coming to fruition, is if they rigged the elections and got bush into office.


......Right..... The united States had two choices.... allow the regime in Iraq to stay in power and become more powerful having to deal with it in the future with the aid of other governments, or attacking now that they were still disorganized... Intelligent minds would choose the later.



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Mdv2
Personally, I think it's a good thing Iran continues its uranium enrichment program as it would definitely make Israel think twice before committing brutal crimes like they do today.


Do you feel that anything done by the hezbollah or palenstine group require a response? Brutal is a big word to use when discussing Israel's retaliation strike. For decades, they have endured taunts, suicide bombers, border strikes, and at one point, they were attacked on three sides at once.

I don't agree that innocent people have to die, but that has never stopped the strikes against Israel! I do find it very strange that groups like Hezbollah set up shop in heavily populated civilian areas and structures and then scream "brutal" when their operations are bombed. Perhaps they should quit using human shields?

The middle east is very unstable. Before it is over with, it will be very hard not to have a major conflict involving the world community.



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 10:28 PM
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wow for few years now i been telling all my friend oneday this wood happon..and ww3 was in our close future....being as "limited minded" as my friends (and most people are) theay dident belive me...now look....lol how man news reports and facts can be throw at people befor theay finley shut up and belive you....watch the future closeley my friends it will get much worse


Ya no i said it million times and i say it agen...ww3 will happon ALOT sooner then people want to belive....i tell my friends and may others

"fine dont belive me but when you get drafted and sent to a country you never new exsisted and get ur legs taken off by rockets and gun fire remember that i told you all this would happon long time ageo and you never belived me"

i say same thing now all the time....the FACT is people as a hole are to stupied to belive wuts right infront of them (dident mean everyone of you just most people)

i feel that even when enemy soldiers are in your citys streets and the fighting and violence is in our countrys (allied ones) and when we are getting our asses kicked and kicking ass back that people will then realize.. "omg something is wrong..i think this is ww3"...and you no wut im gonna be doing? sitting in my allready thought out servival shelter drinking some vodka and and reading wut you all have to say AFATER ITS TO LATE..
lol
dident mean to offend anyone if i did lol allMY OPINION..

sorry for bad spelling



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by wackedoutgeek
Well the writting is all over the wall on this one. I think they may have been planing this for a very long time, pre USSR collapse. I just read about this guy a couple of days ago, his name is Anatoliy Golitsyn.
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Yes, some of us here know about this man. i have been posting about him, and other Russian military defectors who corroborate more or less what Golitsyn says, for about two years now. If you do a search on his name on the forums i am sure you will find a lot of threads about him. Golitsyn is right, and for "some extrange reason" he has predicted most of what he said the Kremlin would do... Some people apparently think "it is a fluke"....while others dismiss it despite what the facts show.

Many Americans have been lulled once again asleep, the Communist propaganda has worked so well that there are Americans who believe "there was never a Communist threat", and if you do they start talking about Mccarthyism, trying to dismiss the facts. The worse part is that there are even people in the U.S. government who believe this (recall senator Barbara Boxer claiming Communism was finally dead and it dind't exist anymore, perhaps she wshould go to Cuba or even China and ask the CCP if they are not "socialists/communists anymore..), and many people have accepted ideas which originated from Communism, but now it is called Liberalism with some changes.

Communism has infiltrated the United States and pretty much every country in the world with groups like ANWSER INTERNATIONAL and others.


ANSWER characterizes itself as anti-imperialist, and its steering committee consists of socialists, Marxists, civil rights advocates, and progressive organizations from the Muslim, Arab, Palestinian, Filipino, Haitian, and Latin American communities.
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ANSWER was established by the International Action Center (IAC), which was founded by former United States attorney general Ramsey Clark and the Workers World Party. ANSWER was one of the first organizations formed to protest the policies of the Bush administration in the wake of the September 11 attacks. It was formed on an emergency basis within three days, and officially founded on September 14, 2001.


en.wikipedia.org...

Many Americans and other people around the world are also "anti-imperialist" which has always been the motto of Communism, but no matter what evidence is presented these people who have fallen to this Communist propaganda, still think "they thought about this all by themselves and Communists didn't change their minds".... but the facts speak differently.

One of the goals of this master plan is to isolate the United States from our allies, and infiltrate the United States with "anti-war, anti-imperialist groups" founded by no other than the Communists, these groups have been sucessful because they have brainwashed many Americans and people around the world into believing the anti-western agenda. These anti-western groups, founded by Communists and with communist goals, have infiltrated the U.S. and many other nations for decades, and their plan has been working perfectly.


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posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 11:01 PM
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What does anyone think of the actions of Venezuala and Russia over the last few days? Or Venezuala and Belarus?

Venezuala has signed (or wants to sign) defense agreements with both countries.

Chevez was quoted as wanting to buy the "Best Jets in the World"

He was also quoted as saying that the buying of this military equipment from Russia would prevent a blockade by the US.

On the other hand, speaking of Syria, I remembered that that was where Iraq's WMD were supposed to have been moved to in order to embarrass the US when we invaded. (ArticleSyria hiding Iraq WMD)

The original poster included Syria, but no one that I saw since mentioned what role (other than being a missle base) that they would actually have. I need more proof to believe that Syria has miscontent. Yes they probably have Iraqi-made (Saddam-era) WMD's, but who would they use them on other than Israel, which is constantly threatened by just about everyone in the Middle East it seems.

Please, explain some more on Syria.



posted on Jul, 28 2006 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by bscale

Originally posted by Nygdan
Russia and Iran are just business partners.

Truly fact..
and imo : Russian ,Syrian and Iranian aren't an evil axis.

1.
Vague points in history:

During the latter years of the Cold War, Regan beefed up on the Arms Race.
There were reports of the war machines from Russia being the baddest on the earth, better than our own.

Those machines were tested against each other in the Persian Gulf War. (George Sr.) American machines were superior, overall.
Nukes in Iran hit the news.

Remember, we haven't tested the big bombs against each other yet.

2.
This is well designed for Russia to wash it hands of the whole mess. Look at the way Russia fought during the last WW.

Generalization:

They let Hitler chase them back into their own territory, cutting off the food supply until Hitler's army was weakened...then they got rid of them. This is likely a typical way of thinking among the Russians. Americans are Cowboys, and even with their brilliant tatics in some of the wars, have always been arrogant fighters...it's costed them a few fights, too. America's boys were in the Persian Guilf. Russia just loaned its toys.

Russia is not likely to step in until they are sure that they can win. If it had been proven that their weapons were superior last time, they might well have joined in, claiming that the US had overstepped its boundaries.

3. What is the point in doing anything about the Russians until there is a real need? Out of this "axis", Russia is the stable, rather friendly group. We immediately go picking a fight with Russia, we will have WWIII on our head. Let them start it.



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 04:29 AM
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Just found this about Hizballah’s Hassan Nasrallah being in Syria as I type this, What does this mean?? It could be the begining of the end for Syria. The question is would Israel go after him there???

debka.com...



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 06:56 AM
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Sorry if this has been covered already, didn't have to read the whole post, but just to throw in my part.

The topic, the notions and the sources provided are all utter bunk.

www.hallindseyoracle.com...

sociologyesoscience.com...

priory-of-sion.com...


It's all complete crap devised to entertain the out-most simpletons and to "free" them of their money.

Just more snake oil and Jesus Christ International Incorporated, and to make sure, there is NO Russian-Syrian-Iranian Axis, it's all delusional nonsense.



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by the_sentinal
Just found this about Hizballah’s Hassan Nasrallah being in Syria as I type this, What does this mean?? It could be the begining of the end for Syria. The question is would Israel go after him there???

debka.com...


If they knew exactly where he was sleeping at night, and had his face on live spy satellite, you betcha.

You probably would only hear about him being found dead though, not that the IDF crossed the Syrian border. Since Syria would have no proof that the IDF is close to their border (since Israel would use her special forces), they wouldn't be able to do jack about it except rattle their sabre some more.



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 12:18 PM
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Tehran, Iran, Jul. 28 – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez will arrive in Tehran on Saturday for a state visit.

During his three-day trip, Chavez will meet senior Iranian officials including hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Caracas and Tehran, both key members of the oil cartel OPEC, have developed strong strategic ties. Venezuela backs Iran in its nuclear standoff with the West.


Why should Chavez visit Iran? The oil bourse? The pact?



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 12:20 PM
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To all of your saying that Communism is a realistic threat to US and Russia has masterminded a plan to take over the world- wake up.

Communism has never been more of a threat to the world than any other political system, be is feudalism, dictatorship, or corporate imperialistic capitalism (what US has- democracy gets a back seat). Communism might have been viewed as a threat in the 1950's and 60's, when it in fact appealed to many third world countries around the world. And why wouldn' these countries want communism, after being exploited by Western empires under the pretense of the so called free market and democracy? Face it- communism appeals to a lot of people, and there is nothing US or anyone can do to change that.

US is used to thinking democracy is the holy of holies- the GOD of the 21 century. Well what makes you think that a century from now democracy won't fail? People have not yet found a perfect political system- and democracy is certainly not it. Democracy is vastly overshadowed by corporate capitalism which breeds globalism. The few exploit the many- making the many beilieve that they are still in control. Well tell me- was the American public in control when Bush got elected in 2000? Was the American public in control when US went to war in Iraq? Was the American public in control when politicians were feeding them lies about the so called 'Axis Of Evil"- while the real evil lurkes in your own country- Haliburton, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Conoco Phillips, Exxon Mobil, GE. That is who is in the drivers seat of your democracy- that is who pressures US to go to war- that is who will ultimately destroy your country, not communism.

Yes you can believe that I am part of the Communist disinformation agenda. Make you look one way, while communism sneaks up behind you to take you under in it evil layer. Or is it american corporate globalizing conglomerates that are disinforming you about the truth? Have you seen recent commercials by National oil and gas industry, or by GE? Makes it seem like these are angels watching over the American people.

Why all this paranoia about communism now? Do you really feel threatened by it? Russia is done with communism. It is not going back. China is slowly but surely substituting socialism for capitalism. Cuba? Who are you kidding. What is Castro going to do invade Florida with a flotila of fleeing immigrants? Cuba has not been a threat to US for 30 years, but the US is still playing Cold War era games with it for some reason. Communism is not gone- no. it still appeals to many people around the world. Now is there anything wrong with that? The only thing US is threatened by, is itself. It will implode becase of the greed of its own capitalism- not because some crazy commies somewhere have a plan to destroy all that is good and sacred.


Russian alliance with Iran and Syria have absolutely nothing to do with communism. They have nothing to do with plans to destroy US. They are meant to undermine US efforts in gaining influence around the world. US already has the largest pie of all, for a population that is but a small fraction of that of the world. Why must the few have everything. Face it large nations like China and India and Iran will step up to get their piece of the pie- which they have been denied for centuries thanks to the West. The West is crumbling, and all its doing is digging itself further it. And some blame it on covert communism- very very productive idea. Why not focus on your real issues, instead of inventing boogeymen in Russia, north Korea, iran, and China. Us thinks it has Democracy? No one does.

All Iran, and Syria, and NK are trying to do is survive in the face of impending war by US. And obviously US paints them as evil beings, who want nothing short of destroying its freedom and happiness. Yep- I am sure that all Iranians or Syrians or North Koreans think about all day long- how can we undermine the happiness of those damn Yankees. Give it a break- people around the world have more important things to worry about. US can invent new enemies all it wants, but this won't help the situation. US foreign policy is its own worst enemy. In is not Bin Laden or Kim Jong Il or Putin who are to blame for US quegmire in Iraq- it is the US foreign policy. Sure Putin wants to see US paralyzed and helpless. You would too, if you didn't live in North America or Europe. Seeing the helpless situation for Americans in Iraq gives world the hope that US won't start any new crusades any time soon. But they couldn't be more wrong. US will invade, and invade, and invade- just like they did relentlessly for the last 60 years.

-This is what 2/3 of the world feels. 2/3 of the world does not hate freedom, or heppiness, or ability to live in a house with 4 cars and earn six-digit income. Nor do they hate the idea of democracy. They hate the US foreign policy, and the US corporate conglomerates- who could not care less about democracy themselves.

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posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Sir Solomon
What does anyone think of the actions of Venezuala and Russia over the last few days? Or Venezuala and Belarus?


Venezuela has been exploited by Western oil firms for the last 20 years. They have been pumping Venezuelan oil or free basically. Well obviously when Venezuela (and Peru and Chile, and Bolivia) decided to do something against it, US wasn't thrilled. Venezuela needs to upkeep its armed forced at this turbulent time, and clearly US is not longer somebody to turn to for it. So the next best thing is Russia, and the expressedly anti-US Belarus. Face it- US itself created this anti-US camp in Latin America made up of the countries I just mentioned. Don't blame communism. Don't blame Putin. Don't blame the freedom hating mujahedeed in caves in Pakistan. Blame yourself.

Plus Chavez gets kudos from his own population for these anti-US stunts. US is not going to invade Venezuela anytime soon. But as long as Venezuelans believe US is a threat, they will stand behind Chavez. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Look at what a large part of US stands behind its psycho leaders and preachers.



Originally posted by Sir Solomon
On the other hand, speaking of Syria, I remembered that that was where Iraq's WMD were supposed to have been moved to in order to embarrass the US when we invaded.


Oh is that what they did with those WMD's? Well I guess its time to invade Syria. Its right next door to Iraq, and this reason for invasion is no less persuasive that the reason to invade Iraq. I have a feeling US is gonna chase these WMD from one country to another, untill
a. they find them and throw a big party in UN or
b. invade everyone who is supposedly evil



Originally posted by Sir Solomon
The original poster included Syria, but no one that I saw since mentioned what role (other than being a missle base) that they would actually have. I need more proof to believe that Syria has miscontent. Yes they probably have Iraqi-made (Saddam-era) WMD's, but who would they use them on other than Israel, which is constantly threatened by just about everyone in the Middle East it seems.

Please, explain some more on Syria.


Syrian population has a growing discontent with US. They also have growing number of extremist Muslims- mujahedeens of the future. Syria is much in the same camp as Iran- so they are an obvious target for US. They don't even have nuclear facilities, but this won;t stop US. So as a potential target by US, Syria is in this supposed pact.

Now one role that Syria actually plays, is a transport point for Iranian agenda for Lebannon and Hezbolah. Iran transfers money, weapons, and idealogy to this region through its factions in Syria. Syria is also a big player for Russia as I mentioned, as Russia is planning on building a Mediterranean Fleet base in Syria. Russia very much needs this base to upkeep its presence around the area, and will do anything short of defending Syria from an attack to make sure that base is built.



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 01:05 PM
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During my residency at an east coast medical center in the 1990's, we had an exchange program with Doctors from Russia, mainly Moscow, all of them military.
One of them, who decided to stay (MDs make a little more $$ here than in Russia), would have a few beers and talk about how we, the US, were being fooled. He had been a Colonel equiv in the USSR military prior to Glasnost, and seemed to have a lot of info. I wrote him off at the time, but he talked about the issues that
1) Glasnost was a sham, 2) the Russian Gov was controlled by old style KGB hardliners (e.g. latter epitomized by Putin) who were trying to fool us into disarming, 3) that they would use Iran, Syria and other muslem countries against us in terms of oil issues (at that time oil was not an issue to us), and 4) that Russia would likely attack us within 10-15 years (that was 1995) in order to re-assert their power position in the world at large and once and for all dampen our hegemonic status in Asia and Europe. I thought at the time that this guy was just blowing smoke and dissing his former country having decided to become a US citizen, but the more I read and see and hear, I think he may have been on to something. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

The Russian economy is a basket case any way you cut it. Their only asset is their oil reserves, now to be sold at high prices. Basically they have a corrupt oligarchy with essentially no participation by the public in the government sponsored and protected companies, but the Russian people seem to have a history of non democratic desires (i.e. they like authoritarian rule); I don't clearly see their motivation for allying with Iran and Syria, in terms of money issues. Any insights on this out there??

Doctorwork



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by doctorwork
During my residency at an east coast medical center in the 1990's, we had an exchange program with Doctors from Russia, mainly Moscow, all of them military.
One of them, who decided to stay (MDs make a little more $$ here than in Russia), would have a few beers and talk about how we, the US, were being fooled. He had been a Colonel equiv in the USSR military prior to Glasnost, and seemed to have a lot of info. I wrote him off at the time, but he talked about the issues that
1) Glasnost was a sham, 2) the Russian Gov was controlled by old style KGB hardliners (e.g. latter epitomized by Putin) who were trying to fool us into disarming, 3) that they would use Iran, Syria and other muslem countries against us in terms of oil issues (at that time oil was not an issue to us), and 4) that Russia would likely attack us within 10-15 years (that was 1995) in order to re-assert their power position in the world at large and once and for all dampen our hegemonic status in Asia and Europe. I thought at the time that this guy was just blowing smoke and dissing his former country having decided to become a US citizen, but the more I read and see and hear, I think he may have been on to something. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.


Certainly Russia (and China, and India, and latin America, and Middle East) will use oil to halt American advance- this is the only means they have. As for Russia attacking US- yeah I can definitely see that happening (sacrasm). First they attack US, then US attacks back, they the dirty commies nuke US and US nukes them back- and mother earth wins because humans aren't there to cause chaos anymore. And believe it or not that was Russia's plan all along- to anihilate anybody. For real- Russia will never attack US, and US will never attack Russia, if either has any appreciation for human survival.

Sure Russia is ruled by KGB (or FSB). These people are the most patriotic. They received the highest education, and the most dedicated to preserving the country free and independent from American or other influence (Ukraine succumbed- Russia will not for this reason). KGB/FSB are not some evil old men in army uniform, making plans for world domination. They are patriots- who served their country all their life. They are no communists. Likewise, many of US senators and politicians have in the past been soldiers and served the nation in some way.



Originally posted by doctorwork
The Russian economy is a basket case any way you cut it. Their only asset is their oil reserves, now to be sold at high prices. Basically they have a corrupt oligarchy with essentially no participation by the public in the government sponsored and protected companies, but the Russian people seem to have a history of non democratic desires (i.e. they like authoritarian rule); I don't clearly see their motivation for allying with Iran and Syria, in terms of money issues. Any insights on this out there??


Russian economy crumbled in the late 90's. It was down to nothing- all but destroyed. And all thanks to capitalism that ignites people's greed and ignorance. Now Russian economy is growing at 8-10% annually. Far higher than any Western country. Oil is being used to bolster this economic growth. Then industries are being created again. Japanese and European companies are racing to open factories and design bureaus in Russia. GE and Boeing alone have tens of thousands employees in Russia. dozens of Japanese and European car factories are being constructed. Since its start in 1998, Russian economy has achieved immense progress for such a short time. Wait a decade or two, and then observe the real Russian economy. Russia is to Europe, what China was to the West. Cheap labors, cheap resources (besides oil and gas), and technological and scientific know-how (remember Russia still has the among the highest percentage of engineers and scientists with top education around the world). Russian economy has only one place to go- up. Can't say the same for that of US. And if Russia wants to use ITS oil and ITS gas to make this happen it will, and it has every right to.

People in Russia have no problems finding jobs in large cities. Wages are quickly rising. They have all the free speech they want. Access to internet and satellite international media is unlimited and unregulated. Sure there are a bunch of government owned tv stations. But every Russian can get access to independent media. There is no authoritarian rule as you imply. There are elections. And the only reason Putin got reelected- was because 70% of people wanted him to. They are happy with what they got now, and no reason to seek change.

The oligarchs are there just like in any capitalist society. Few are rich, alot are in between. Russians have no interest for dictatorship or authoritarian government. They do not threaten anyone in the world, like US does. Why all this focus on Russia, when it is the US that is acting as an agressor around the world?



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 02:38 PM
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I belive every1 here doesnt see the real picture!
Yes Russia likes to lets say pinch USA here and there and usa does the same.
But Russia and also China are on-board the G-8 and the globalization process they today(29.7) accepted the U.N resolution that U.S pushed for against Iran.
About the war with Russia the Usa wouldnt dare attack Russia couse it can at any moment erase America even through the Missile defense it doesnt help.
So if you cant defeat him join him right.
Russia and America agreed on the new vision of future conquering the space by working together not against.
Russia didnt attack Usa when they bombed Serbia and Serbia is considered the closest friend to Russia and people were talking about 3rd ww than too!
Do you realy belive that Russia would end the worlds and its own existence couse of a #ing Islamic regime.
They have enough problems with islamists and they know they cannot trust Iran.
Russia is only angry at Usa couse of its arrogance and concern only for its own interests not regarding others interests.
Russian president said a couple of years ago"N.Koreas rockets have to go over Russia first to get to Usa"with a smile he meant that Russian integrated defense systems would shoot any rockets down.A nice gesture do you think an enemy would say that?
I understand that Americans are scared #less of Russians,well every1 is acctualy,but they are not the real enemy so please stop with this posts of Russian conspiracys.
The real enemy is this islamic ideology and Russia agrees with the Usa here and in my opinion they will work together like they did in Afganistan and elsewhere....



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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I am not clear on how the USA and USSR "worked together" in Afganistan.....
Most of the news reports from that era indicate that the USA via proxies supplied the Mujahadeed, which morphed into some of the current anti-US Islamic groups.
Please explain this issue of "worked together." By the way, that was the Cold Ward era that would have precluded us all being on this forum together.
Are you familiar with a guy named Ronald Reagan?



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 05:21 PM
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Doctorwork i see you are not aquinted with the fact as most of the world isnt that FSB supllied USA with intiligence and the northern alliance with weapons that were payed by the US.
These are the facts that people dont talk about and are hidden to most of the world especialy Americans.Their arrogance could not accept that the russians helped (in a small way) to beat the taliban why do they need the russians with all their super technologies.
Wich by the way are not helping any more since taliban are starting to kick a.. in southern provinces of Afganistan and also took control of parts of a country.
Sadly that the mighty USA gets defeated by extremy low-tech taliban and iraqi insurgents.They allready admited defeat in Iraq couse they said they will pull-out next year.shame so i guess Americans are only good at bombing and than running away!



posted on Jul, 29 2006 @ 08:14 PM
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Hal Lindsey is about as credible as Pravda or the Weekly World News. This guy is a neo-con fear monger that uses stories like this to drive up donations to his cause.

If someone can post a different link to this "Treaty" then I'd consider it, but as of now this is total BS.



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