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Why Islam is not a religion of peace.

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posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 11:56 AM
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Quite right on education - and Estragon roams and examines in these places: the average Maths student out here would demolish the average Yank/Brit of the same age before breakfast -but the Koran is out of bounds -as the Bible once was 600 years ago.
I can't press it to the edge, for obvious reasons of verification: but a historical analogy does explain a lot.




posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 12:02 PM
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sound general drift on shared territory - factually not quite so: Islam does NOT recognise all of the OT prophets -and recognises one or two the OT doesn't: Lot and Noah being obvious examples.
The divinity of Christ is -perforce -denied: it was, much earlier in numerous strands of Christianity later deemed heretical ( Nestorians the obvious case) - and one must remember that the evidence suggests that Muhammad puh learnt his Christianity, not from the contemporary mainstream; but from technically heretical offshoots in local areas (hence for instance the Koran's rather odd version of the Virgin Mary)



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 12:05 PM
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...as every Muslim says many times a day -"al rahmanarrahim": all compassionate, all merciful.
Bit of a sweetie compared to the OT Jehovah but tends to restrict his kindness to Muslims.
Less flippantly, the picture of Allah is of a benevolent deity: not a stern God.
Don't mean that's how he's always represented, of course.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 12:09 PM
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worth remembering that -while we think of Muslims as quintessentially Arabs, Arabs with oil-wealth perhaps - most Muslims are actually subsistence-level peasants in black Africa, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, former Soviet states etc.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 12:38 PM
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I except I may have generalised there.Also I would say that Allah is a god who presides over a completed universe as far as time is concerned.Islam is fatalistic.The future is written.Where as the christian god presides over a continually evolving universe.

Yes,There are few strands of Islam.The Aga
Kahn is a member of a branch that gives 10% of their wealth annually to charity.

What do you think of the connection between free press and the printing press.Estragon.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:05 PM
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Yes, and me, I can see the difference between the theory ( the Koran ) and the practice ( the muslims ).

In the EU, there is too many problems with the muslims ( not the old ones, only the young generation ( 5-35 ), and the europeans citizens.

They are really agressives with us. We have many problems with them, specials with muslims from north-africa ( algeria , morocco and blacks muslims ),turkishs and Albanians too. Those from Tunisia , Kosovo and India are really quite and peacefull and we don't have any problems with them.

But I know why they are so agressives. In their mosque, they have Arabic Imams who are preaching the wahabites point of view on islam.These guys are dangerous.

They tell them that they have to killing/beating/destroying us. I'm not kidding, that's why EU inteligences services are monitoring them.

But it's not enough. In France, there is now more than 1000 places in 1000 towns where police officers, firemen, doctors and emergency peoples don't dare to go anymore.

In these towns, police station are often under-attack ( with RPG-7 & AK-47 ). But you'll not see it on CNN or CBS.

And it's only facts, unfortunately.


Why do you think that France is so " cold" when she have to follow the USA on their war against terrorism ?

If the french gov' ( and some others EU gov' too ) say : " YEAH GUYS. LET'S DO IT.WE ARE WITH YOU BY 100%.HURRAH FOR THE USA AND DEATH TO OBL AND AL QUEDA "...it will be an ethnic war in the EU. Muslims againts Christians.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:34 PM
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I can see why perhaps you and I U-P see Muslims differently.The vast majority of muslims in the UK are second even third generation Pakistani's.In some towns this has caused problems(Oldham,Burnley)but generally comunities have learn't to live together.
Recent immigration in the UK from Africa,Afghanistan,and Kosova have caused more problems but because we have had time to except Muslims we do not blame their religion for any problems.
An example would be around Dover with immigrants from the former Yugoslavia.It is beleived the problems are caused by organised crime rather than Islam.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:46 PM
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good question about the press but I'll have to take a little time: in brief, the press is operative in direct ratio to the level of literacy which in turn tends to be in direct ratio to economic development.
It's a complex matter - Englishmen were being burnt for heresy long after Caxton.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:49 PM
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Asa fellow-Englishman and one from your current domicile -as posted -originally, I'd recommend a more incisive look at the immigrant-data.
"Pakistani" covers a multitude of sins and virtues - think "Bangladeshi", "Sylheti" and then "Yemeni", "Kashmiri" etc. We did not choose well.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:51 PM
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... didn't get asked to choose -now I come to think of it.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:52 PM
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Yes,But Freedom of thought did not go on the Pyre.I suppose Literacy in the 17th century could be compared to computer literacy today.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:56 PM
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France is the worst scenario. I'm pretty much in daily contact -professionally, and in French - with the Phrogues; and for all manner of reasons -colonial history, francophonie - France has lost all the gates.
But still -you ned to check these Iamams: you'll find Syed's and Sheikh's, of every colour and hair-style: all over the world - take "Arab" avec un peu du sel.
Nasty little Berber crooks, the majority.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 01:57 PM
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Hence the alacrity with which the French let them on their end of the Chunnel.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Estragon
Hence the alacrity with which the French let them on their end of the Chunnel.


Yeah, but France is close from me. 500 kms. If they don't change ( the frenchies ) all others EU nations will have to overrun them in a big EU armed forces coalition !

I'll not be the last to kick their ass !!!


Where did I hide my assault rifle ?



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 06:32 PM
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Well why not have a massive ethnic war in the EU? If that doesn't happen, the violent muslims are going to take control (as they reproduce faster because they do not believe in birth control).

Again, the other 90% (or whatever the actual figure is) of muslims who are peaceful should be left alone. After all, (at least in the US of A), we have religious freedom. Let 'em do what they like, so long as they don't start throwing molotov cocktails at people who don't share their beliefs.



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 11:47 PM
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arent catholics against birth control also?



posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 11:53 PM
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Iluv2act you should get a book called, "The Temple and the Lodge". There's a good reason why most of the world is fairly stable and why even an increased number of muslims won't make a difference in Europe...the problem is solely external pressure from theocratic muslim nations.

Sincerely,
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posted on Nov, 2 2002 @ 11:59 PM
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If you'll notice, most Islamic Terrorists originate out of the Middle East...why?

Because of the Beddouin Value system...I'm sure most of you are familiar with Value systems, every society has them. They are the values we live our lives by, and expect others to live them by.

If you'll research the Beddouin Value system, you'll see they are EXTREMELY violent, and call for massive vendettas against anyone who has insulted you or your family. And quite simply, America has insulted the Middle East with the supporting of Israel, and with the "americanization" of much of Middle Eastern Culture.

This is not a religious war, it's a cultural war, the Middle Easterners could be buddhists, or anything else and still act this way...just so happens Islam took all that land over.

Sincerely,
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posted on Nov, 3 2002 @ 02:09 AM
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There is a lot in what Free Mason says here -precisely because there is no very strong centralising tendency in Islam ( Pope, Catholic Church, Holy Roman Empire, Church of England, Divine Right of monarchs etc. etc.): the areas that have adopted it still cling to these blood-feud, local war-lords, father-of-the-tribe patterns.
Hence, a clash of cultures -even of history.
Take the Chechens , or the former-Yugoslav Muslims: very late-comers to Islam and bandit-cultures long before Islam and long after -if that ever happens.



posted on Nov, 3 2002 @ 02:11 AM
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The problem for the West -apart from the fact that they're in all our major cities, which means some level of cultural conflict even in the best of circumstances - is that, because of oil, people who once reckoned a good sword a family heirloom, and whose range of action was the next oasis, can now buy sophisticated weaponry and exert enormous economic pressure on the West.



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