Originally posted by hogtie
AbuMusaab, just let it all out. I am eating this up.
I'll give you something. Let's say that I agree with you about Saudi Arabia to a point. Oil sales helps to prop up the govt there, but remember it is the house of Saud there that is in charge of reforming or not. Not the US. Anyway, I'll go along with you on that. What happens if there is reform? More theocracy? Wahabi becomes mainstream? What will the excuse be then to continue the spread of Islam by the sword? See, what some of us see, and what others don't, is that this isn't about oil, land, freedom. None of that. It is about spreading the Word.
I'll tell you this much. What the middle east has seen up to now is a war based on politics. The US has not been pushed yet, not really. So rise up when the time is right. You have no understanding of the real culture of America. Not the America that lives outside of NY and LA, and not the indoctrinated at universities. If it is brought on the ground inside our borders, it will end in such fury as the Koran could have no words for. The cells will rise but once. And don't forget the conservative Christians. There you will have people fighting for their safety, way of life, and for their faith.
One thing the world has always missed about the US. We have a tremendous capacity for violence. What the world has seen up to this point has been civil and restrained. Force the US to take the gloves off, and Islam may but be a memory.
Tell me. What would Julaladin Rumi have to say about all of this? I think he would just laugh, and say that none of it mattered. You have missed the Message.
The Word does not need the sword to be spread, and it is forbidden to be spread as such. However, if attacked, and attacked, it is our DUTY to push back, and force capitulation for the safety of the believers. Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet today. And no one is forcing these people to follow God. They are finding out on their own. It is not uncommon for Christians to come to my work, or my home and ask us to come to their Church. We do not even have to go out and seek people. People come to the God on their own by God's will.
I love the never ending arrogance about how America has not been pushed, or is not displaying it's full capablility. As Bush said, "Bring it on!" Already, you have been basically defeated in Iraq, alhamdulillah. We are just waiting for the final withdrawal after some pathetic face-saving attempt is pulled.
If the Khilafah is someday re-established, insha'Allah, it will not seek to cause any violence against America, unless America brings violence to it first. It would be completely against Islam to become the aggressor. The Qur'an is very clear.
Just a couple verses on the subject. There are many, many more.
" GOD advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed.(16:90)
"If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."(8:61).
America will not be defeated militarily, but, insha'Allah, it will be defeated.