Why do religious fanatics keep saying the end of the world is coming?

Originally posted by hmmm
The Antichrist can come only as a result of universal Apostasy, that is, the abjuration of the people from God and His paths, when God's grace will withdraw from the people.

so wont it come when no one any longer believes in god? which is not now. who knows when it will come.

Actually, hmmm, no not a Universal apostasy, but a "great" apostasy. A great falling away from the faith. But not necessarily everybody.

Mathew 16:28

Verily I say unto you. there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom.

With respect to the Thompson�s chain reference Bible the verse the verse 39 in chapter 8 does not exist but interestingly enough, the verse prior to that is pretty much a copy of Luke Chapter 9 verse 26, which of course precedes verse 27. In regards to the issue in Mathew the verse, which is prior to the one in quotes above, states the same thing as the others but in a different way.

This is very strange would anyone care to shed some light as to why this is like this??

Originally posted by Helioform
You've answered your own question.

But simply put; their life probably sucks, and they fantasize about end of the world scenarios that will put an end to their existence. Religion is mostly for weak minded people who need to feel that all the answers to life lie in a single book. No one should expect these people to be rational.

Rock on man. I agree with you there.


I think religious fundamentalists always say the world will end for the sake of trying to make people convert to their religion, like humans are trading cards or something. "This week I converted two muslims, a wiccan, and four baptists". This is just my opinion, not necessarily the opinion of anyone else.

*edit*I also still think that religions with gods were designed to explain the things that couldn't be explained by science or human reason at the time of their inception. Once again, my opinion, not everyone elses.

[Edited on 31-10-2003 by kaoszero]

Rock on man. I agree with you there.

I think religious fundamentalists always say the world will end for the sake of trying to make people convert to their religion, like humans are trading cards or something. "This week I converted two muslims, a wiccan, and four baptists". This is just my opinion, not necessarily the opinion of anyone else.

*edit*I also still think that religions with gods were designed to explain the things that couldn't be explained by science or human reason at the time of their inception. Once again, my opinion, not everyone elses.

Well... if I may speak freely... why should they bother writing 50 pages about an machine if it would be just thunder? And not just 50 pages, no 50 pages which describes the things they saw in detail... or was there really something which wasn't natural, and they tried to describe it...

And if you read the Gospel of Thomas then you would have seen that those texts clearly say there will be an end, and that end was not said by men to come...

You are talking about the Mayans... very nice etc. why don't you say that the sfinxes of the Egyptians also are the calender, which corresponds with the Mayan calender?

2012 is predicted by 2 agenda's, the Mayans and the Egyptians, and even the Sumeriers talked about the end of the world, and not because they would like to think it ends... but because it was told by the same Gods which also used machines like described in the Zohar, in the Mahabharata, Ezekiel, Indian texts etc.

How scientifically is it to say that all the religions with their hundreds of thousands of texts are just stories, while they all describe what couldn't be known back then...

Don't you use the Mayans and Egyptian calander for the Apocalyps or the almightyness?

Originally posted by jrod
.........., now in modern times it seems like there is always some group claiming the end is near. Why havent people learned from all the false claims? our civilization is gonna fall but ...........
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We are all gonna see the end and it is going to happen to each of us individually when you die, that is all.

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religious fanatics aren't the only ones...they're just the most vocal--->

your last sentence, wraps it up...but the answer excapes you...
the End Story or MYTH, is both the macro/worldview & the micro/personhoodview...
metaphor, analogy, multiple meanings, all having importance & personal meaning to each generation each individual..(reflect, this mythic message presents the continual birth-death-birth-death cycles) to encompass the single soul->group->nation->peoples->
...the 'apocalypse' is only a typical lifetime cycle, ON A much GRANDER SCALE

well, thats my pov

*careful, you don't get be-dazzled

i would say it's because they follow the teachings of priests and not jesus, if they followed jesus they would know that it was just a separation of the good and the evil, i think it'll be a battle between good and evil, of the evil will finally lose power over us good ones

Originally posted by riffraffalunas
religious fanatics aren't the only ones...they're just the most vocal--->

your last sentence, wraps it up...but the answer excapes you...
the End Story or MYTH, is both the macro/worldview & the micro/personhoodview...
metaphor, analogy, multiple meanings, all having importance & personal meaning to each generation each individual..(reflect, this mythic message presents the continual birth-death-birth-death cycles) to encompass the single soul->group->nation->peoples->
...the 'apocalypse' is only a typical lifetime cycle, ON A much GRANDER SCALE

well, thats my pov

*careful, you don't get be-dazzled

The Mayans, Egyptians and Sumeriers seem very sure that it isn't a cycle but really something totally new... you have to admit that also not to many people see the apocalyps as a cycle on a grand scale...

The Apocalyps will happen and a new world will arise, it doesn't sound like some cycle to me... more like something is really going to happen...

The Mayans, Egyptians and Sumeriers do at least definitely think so...

My religion never speaks of any End times.
I think they had better things to do, then worry about the fate of thier religion 2000 years or so from now.
End of the World fanatics have been ranting for ages, and nothing has happened yet.
Except the obvious, that man is killing eachother.
Insead of taking others precious time with this false end times nonsense, why dont they just do everyone a favour and do something usefull with thier lives.
Deep

why do they say the world is ending? either they have a really good hunch or they just dont know better

Given that all religions are essentially the same and the relevance of maintaining a balance between forces is such a significant factor from the context of what is spiritual, some may have concluded that maintaining an imbalance could bring about conflict to an extent, the events suggested would become a reality.

This was then promulgated as our destiny based upon the conclusions of those whose intent encompassed the idea that only they had souls.

Any thoughts?

hellinistic vs. holistic...

the true battlefield...

those who see only what they want have a hard time seeing all...

and those who see all understand we have a hard time coming...

From Toltec
Given that all religions are essentially the same and the relevance of maintaining a balance between forces is such a significant factor from the context of what is spiritual, some may have concluded that maintaining an imbalance could bring about conflict to an extent, the events suggested would become a reality.

Toltec if you wish to believe that "all religions are essentially the same" than do so; however, my studies have shown that there is indeed major differences between belief systems. As for the "end times", we now have the technology to make the events predicted in the book of Revelation possible (weapons that will melt a man's flesh off his bones while he stands - nuclear weapons; a device that would only permit those who wear it to perform economic transfers - the veri-chip; the ability of the whole world to look on the bodies of two dead men for three days - CNN.) Also it will not be the end of the world, but the end of the Age of Gentiles and the start of the Millenial Kingdom. I cannot give you an exact date and time this event will occurr; however, this I can tell you. When I first looked at this post my computer clock was a 9:23, now my computer clock reads 9:55. We are therefore 32 minutes closer to the "end of the world" than when I first looked at this thread tonight. Remember, each day when you wake up, you are 24 hours closer to the times predicted than the day before.

Here is my thoughts on the so called "end of the world"
The World,as it were,must die and be reborn from time to time.Right now we are moving into the Photon Belt,which will take us humans,and the Earth itself,into the 4th.diminsion.You see,we are beings of Light,our bodies are simply vessels that we ride around in.Our inner self,of spirit,is composed of pure energy,and can never be destroyed.Everything on this planet that lives must die to be reborn.When you are born,you have but one guarantee,and that is at some point you will die.Remember in Revevlations,the Great Lady ,pregnant and about to give birth,,with a crown of twelve stars on her head,and the cresent Moon at her feet?This is the Goddess,or Mother Earth.The dragon chasing her is the Reptilian race,who control the world from behind the scenes,and wish to enslave mankind for their own agenda.This will not happen,they will be defeated by the Sons of Light.

Interesting theory Jagd but based upon my earlier post in this thread tedious to say the least. I have no question you believe what you believe, my problem is
Believing in causes you seem to feel are so real.

My point is in respect to my second response, is that if such an event is possible, it is because of black majick and how it has been applied, by diminishing the value of spirituality (thus creating an imbalance).

Of course one which is the result of a lie based in semantics.

Would sugest you reread Revelation 3 verse 22 and consider alternative interpretations to what is often
sugested.

Any thoughts?

From Toltec:
My point is in respect to my second response, is that if such an event is possible, it is because of black majick and how it has been applied, by diminishing the value of spirituality (thus creating an imbalance).

I suppose that you are somewhat cryptically refering to the "end of the world". It don't take black majick, just a couple of thousand nukes (my personal prediction is any small scale nuclear exchange will quickly escalate to a full out global thermonuclear exchange of at least 20,000 weapons).

Of course one which is the result of a lie based in semantics.

And would you pleas post to which lie you refer?

Revelation 3:16
16. So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
17. You say, `I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
18. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
19. Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
20. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
21. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
22. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

The purport is "Have zeal for the Lord Jesus Christ". Do not be lukewarm, but have zeal for the Lord. Is this a question about my commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ?

What is the cause of the cause Jagd hence the conspiracy?

Simply stated, religions have inherent to them, a process, often expressed as there spiritual side, akin in every way to learning to silence your mind (for example).

Inherent to the cause for educating the masses in respect to such matters, is with regards to maintainng the balance between forces. Strip a religion of that process, emphasis mans evil nature and what it is (the religion in question), has nothing to do with what in this case, is the original system of beleif.

For Whom The Bell Tolls

No man is an Island, entire of it self; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

Author: John Donne

For the record would recommed this discussion be had in a new thread.

Well Toltec the original topic was "Why do religious fanatics keep saying the end of the world is coming?". No here is a nicely loaded comment. By implication it states that anyone who thinks that we are in the End Times is a "religious fanatic". I made a post that simply stated the fact that we now have the technology to do it. We damn near did it during the Cuban Missile Crisis. At one point during that event we were less than five minutes from full commitment to launch. I also pointed out that whenever it will happen, we get closer to that time every day (also a statement of fact). You seem to think that there is a cause to some grand conspiracy. Well I have an answer for you, but you would not like it.

Nuclear winter would turn this planet into a save haven for roaches and nothing much else, as far as survivors the chosen would be decided by NASA not God. Which of course would be a reflection of those who happen to be in orbit or elsewhere at any given time.

As far as end of the world scenarios with respect to the Holy Bible I see no real conspiracy. The arrival of Satan son is indicative of the arrival of Jesus and end of story. Then again going back to what I presented in the first post of this thread feel free to add your opinion to that list.


Beyond that, the intent of this response Jagd was made clear by your actions in some very recent post. There are words which adequately define that behavior, but will leave your to your own means to figure them out.



Any thoughts?

PS: The funny thing about the Cuban Missle Crisis is the day after it was over the Russian Subs which patroled that area never left. Truth is Jagd, the whole event was based in sematics, from a certain context, definitive of societies problems as a whole.

[Edited on 11-11-2003 by Toltec]

People say that the end of the world is near for psychological reasons: because they would like it to be so. It gives them a justification to live.

Another reason is that priests can control the masses better if the masses act under fear of the end.

By the way, the leader who seems the least accepted by people worldwide during the last war (the war to end all life on Earth) will be labelled as the antichrist.