Mr Rad,

good point.

I for one do not like the factory livestock system we have for many reasons.

and morally I think that animals exist to have a life like me do even if it seems to be much less than that which we live (our skewed perceptions perhaps?).

so you are correct but on the other hand, I am what I am. I would be a better person if I did not have to eat or sleep or need shelter or need sex or status or whatever...,

the thing that socialists ignore even when they chase after it themselves.

maybe we need to return to older ways of producing food using newer technology for efficiency purposes only and not as a means to an end?

what do others think here?

I recall, and cannot verify, but some interesting conversation as to the purpose of the human appendix.

It seems this organ, had an ancient purpose, that would secrete additional enzime in the large intestine, in aid of breaking down the grain, and plant food, we commonly ate.

That, thru evolution, and the advent of meat eating in a regular fashion, this organ's purpose became mute, as meat is 'broken down' much easier in our system, to extract the nutrients and proteins the body needs.

Ultimatley, this organ just 'turned off' and now is a non-organ still with us.

Those are all valid points.. I agree with you one hundred percent Neo, but at the latest incarnation of this thread the real question is why haven't we moved to coming up with foods that are more "cleaner" to produce, nutrient and create less waste? That in itself could be a whole new topic in itself.

Originally posted by smirkley
I recall, and cannot verify, but some interesting conversation as to the purpose of the human appendix.

It seems this organ, had an ancient purpose, that would secrete additional enzime in the large intestine, in aid of breaking down the grain, and plant food, we commonly ate.

That, thru evolution, and the advent of meat eating in a regular fashion, this organ's purpose became mute, as meat is 'broken down' much easier in our system, to extract the nutrients and proteins the body needs.

Ultimatley, this organ just 'turned off' and now is a non-organ still with us.

Good stuff! Never heard this before. But I am aware of intervention by other entities in corrupting human DNA so this is quite believable.

On the other hand we have incisor teeth and that indicates some level of meat eating does it not?

Originally posted by THENEO
On the other hand we have incisor teeth and that indicates some level of meat eating does it not?

Rabbits have incisors too.

*With mouth full of raw bloody steak* But I am just one person what can I do...

I wonder how the oxygen feels about us breathing it up and turning it into carbon dioxide


THINK OF IT'S FEELINGS!!!!!

Same with plants, what did they ever do to you veg heads?!?
They were just over there trying to live, trying to get some photosynthesis going on but no!!!! you must devour and end their precious lives!


/sarcasm off

Do you see the stupidity of it now?


I be on top of the food chain, I can, and will eat any thing on this earth I wish.

That includes, bugs, mammals, fish, birds, and plants.

BEEF it's whats for dinner!

[Edited on 30-10-2003 by Lysergic]

Originally posted by Lysergic
I be on top of the food chain, I can, and will eat any thing on this earth I wish.
[Edited on 30-10-2003 by Lysergic]

I'd like to see you eat your own head then...

If I desire to then I shall.


see I too am a smart ass.

[Edited on 30-10-2003 by Lysergic]

I would have also accepted "I am not David Blaine"...

Originally posted by 10DeadInside10

Originally posted by Šany
By the way, I do eat meat, but only free-range organic meat from animals that haven't been tortured to supply me with what is really a luxury food.

What the # is "free-range" organic meat? I'll pass on that weird #. Just hand me a big ass #en slab of juicy steak, some sauce, and a glass of Pepsi. I figure, since the animal is already dead, mine as well eat it instead of sitting around crying and bitching about it.

Besides, its natural anyways. Are you going to complain n # about bears killing fish to eat? I doubt you would. Well humans just kill animals so we can eat as well. Sorry we don't go up to the cows and ask them politely if we can kill them, then gently kill them with love. Wolves attack sheep so they can eat, wolves just rip the mother #er apart and eat his ass. Same thing with humans, just kill the damn animal and eat it.

I hate these "save the animal" pussies who eat #in trees everyday so that a few animals can live another week longer. All animals are going to die, everything dies. A # load of cows die everyday naturally, but those are okay right?

Just stop bitching and eat some #in meat.

[Edited on 10-29-2003 by 10DeadInside10]

Don't be such a belligerant prick.
Bears don't keep fish in #ing boxes ready to eat later, THEY EAT FREE RANGE FISH!

I don't give a # about the animals DYING I give a # about how the animals LIVE. I'd rather they lived a good life than one of torture and pain, so # off.

Originally posted by MrRadicalEd
I'm the kind of person who eats both meat and vegetables, and when I read comments like:

For frock's sake people, there's nothing wrong with eating meat per say, but the frokin horrible treatment of animals before they are killed to provide us with something that we, in this day and age, don't really need to eat is frokin atrocious.

Sure we don't need to eat meat, but most of us still do. Its part of many people's culture, our surroundings- the way we live. It was a slow development and evolution to produce as much meat as we do now today. Its not just a small settlement of 50 people that need to be fed.

I don't get what you're saying, I never said eating meat was bad, I said it's not necessary, and it isn't. We overproduce on everything, there's always some food spare at the end that either goes to waste or to feed the animals that are bred for meat.

Get some bloody perspective, you're funding the slavery, torture and murder of another living creature. it's not like you're running around, hunting animals to survive, I have no problem with that.

I can't help but feel a little offended at that remark. As if I have done something wrong. These poor animals that have been bred in live stocks just for one reason, food. We don't pluck them out of the woods or fields where they naturaly live untill they are nearly extinct, but as time progressed the demands grew(of course), and we developed a means to feed everyone with the very food our ancestors ate.

If you buy meat from a non-free range source then you're supporting the terrible lifestyle that these animals are bred into. Free range farms ARE an option and they are a viable option, what I don't understand is why the US doesn't have more of them seeing as there's more space over there than here in the UK, there are loads of free range farms over here and very soon battery farms for chickens will be illegal.

and

Well firstly god didn't make anything because god doesn't exist and secondly cows weren't just put here to be eaten, they just are.

Cows were "put here" because of evolution. The original species of animals that lead to the modern day bovine survived through time and has a place on Earth, like many other animals and plants. Man came along and hunted when he could, and lived off of their harvested food from their gardens and dried beef during the winter months. This went on all across the world for a very long time.

Judging by the statement only: "cows weren't just put here to be eaten, they just are.", you could also say plants weren't just put here to be eaten, they just are."

Plants, animals, and rocks exist for many reasons. Thats just how things work.

I don't get what your point is here, somebody said that animals were put here for us to eat them, I said that wasn't the only reason they are here, what are you arguing?

You get eaten when you die, does that mean that you were only put here on this planet to be eaten?

Things that happen here aren't always executed in a linear fasion. Its not eat and then be eaten, create and then be distroyed. Sometimes it happens to different orders and/or new sequences. The fact we have the inteligence to create flying machine and soap to clean ourselves doesn't make us on the same level as an animal that grazes on grass and relaxes under the shade, or fly in the sky and make nests for their new born.

Actually yes things do happen in a linear fashion. Things are created and then when their life is over, they are destroyed, that's the way the world works.
What do you mean by the "same level" as other animals? There are so many different ways that we are similar to other animals.
In fact, give me one example of us not being similar to any other animal.

I'm not against anyone who opposes eating meat, nor do I dislike them, but I just saw some of those comments as biased in some way, and they didn't feel like they had much depth.

[Edited on 29-10-2003 by MrRadicalEd]

My comments have as much depth as you are willing to read into them. And of course they are biased, so are yours, they're an opinion, that's what opinions are, biased.

Originally posted by Lysergic
I wonder how the oxygen feels about us breathing it up and turning it into carbon dioxide


THINK OF IT'S FEELINGS!!!!!

Same with plants, what did they ever do to you veg heads?!?
They were just over there trying to live, trying to get some photosynthesis going on but no!!!! you must devour and end their precious lives!


/sarcasm off

Do you see the stupidity of it now?


I be on top of the food chain, I can, and will eat any thing on this earth I wish.

That includes, bugs, mammals, fish, birds, and plants.

BEEF it's whats for dinner!

[Edited on 30-10-2003 by Lysergic]

You're on top of the food chain are you? Tell that to the bacteria, maggots, worms etc that eat you when you die.
This argument isn't about killing something for food, it's about making creatures live in terrible conditions just so that we can eat them.