Wow, this thread just took a strange twist.

Marclar, I think the folks here are trying to answer your question and validate your fears with information accessable to you.

One very good discription of a mental state similiar to the stalking behaviour mentioned was "stress induced hyper awareness" I think that would be chemically producing adrenaline to say the least and maybe getting close to '___'

Hi Marclar.

That would be too over simplified. Many people that are being gang stalked wonder if they are going crazy, many others never do, they just know something is going on. Many Scizophrenics never wonder if they are crazy, and others realise something is going on and seek help. So there is no simple solution.

I think again you have to examine things like are there external factors that could be causing this? Am I using drugs or other stimulants? Has this happened over a period of time, gradual or almost all at once. Eg. Is there a period of time that you notice specific things happening?

Also what is your emotional state like. Did you break up with someone, was there a life altering experience that could cause a break down? Scizophrenia is thought to be a combination of things, enviornment does play a role.

However if you are a fairly normal person, where your whole life and had nothing emotionally traumatising happening that would lead to a breakdown, then you find things happening like people being hostile, shunning you, constant hassels in public, on the road, people trying to get reactions out of you, then you see this 10-20 times a day over months years, then you might wonder if something else was going on.

The other problem I understand is the v2s (voice to skull) hearing the voice to skull can be implemented at anytime so it's hard to say, but in some cases it's external as oppose to internal. However there is no way for the average person to know one way or another unless you know yourself very well. If you have a strong sense of self I think that is the best thing.

I also think most of the survivors who took control have a strong sense of self and spirit. They knew themselves well enough and they prayed. I really do belive this thing is not only organised, but has an element of evil, just like the salem witch trials, spanish inquisition, or the holacaust. I still also believe that prayer is an effective weapon against evil.

HI Prote.

With gang stalking that would be like which came first the chicken or the egg? If someone is gang stalked, that can cause Stress Induced Hyper Awareness, just like bullying and mobbing also can cause a target to be stressed and hyperaware. Most people who have not lived this, can not accept it, and even the ones who are living this sometimes have a hard time accepting this.

Hi way above .

I think that is one thing about gang stalking. When you live on the planet, 20 -30 -40 -50 -60 years and you know how your life is and you know how things should work, then you start seeing weird coincidences over and over again, 10-20 times a day, where before they maybe happened 1-2 times a day, that is just a stepping off point. Even the most oblivious person would start to wonder if something was not weird or unnatural.

I think a logical person would at first try to shrug it off, but there is a stage where you can no longer ignore it and that's when you know.


Hi Marclar.

I think you might then do some extensive research on both subjects. That is one of the best things you could do. Read every report from the survivors of gang stalking, electronic harassment. Then read up on Schizophrenia or other disorders, come to your own conclusion. Speak to others in the communities where this is happening, then if you would like you can speak to a medical personell, but maybe again be careful if you do.

That's the thing though, it's designed to get targets locked away. If they can't harass them to suicide, or make them homeless and destitute, or give them a nervous break down, then when they do seek legitimate help, the idea is to get them locked up or accused of drug use. That's one more reason we are having so much trouble raising awareness.

If someone was stalking me like this and I really knew for sure it was happening I would sneak up around them when they least expected it and introduce them to my .45 glock ,,right in the face and confront them. They would then become the prey and I would become the predator. They would be followed to wherever they lived and their cars would be blown up.

Now this is if it was a 100% sure thing I was being gang harassed and followed. In the end they would have wished they never gotten involved with me.

And no this isnt some kind of retribution technique I saw in the movies. The mafia did it all the time to enemies and so could you.

Summon the reptilian brain that you already have in your noggen and become ruthless

[edit on 7-8-2006 by magnito_student]

Originally posted by Harassment101
HI Prote.

With gang stalking that would be like which came first the chicken or the egg? If someone is gang stalked, that can cause Stress Induced Hyper Awareness, just like bullying and mobbing also can cause a target to be stressed and hyperaware. Most people who have not lived this, can not accept it, and even the ones who are living this sometimes have a hard time accepting this.

Yes I agree with the chicken and egg analogy. Since I came across your thread, I have been racking my memory trying to see if I actually had been a victim of the phenomenon you describe. However, these are things I have spent many years psychologically moving away from, not so much as suppression but more of letting go.

I can totally see how any person that is a victim of this could feel severe paranoia, a feeling of being crazy or continually rethinking their sanity. When I first talked about what was happening (or I thought was happening), you very quickly learn how few people you can actually talk to and how what you're saying comes across. As you see so many times in these forums, if you have no proof, people shout crank, and that's what it's like. Close family and friends more likely don't say it but you can see it on their faces.

Having re-evaluated the whole thing these last few days, I am comfortable that my condition was just that...a condition which was treated. Had I found this thread at the point in time I was going through this, I would have said you nailed it. I think this highlights two important things...

1. That mental states exist that replicate some effects of gang stalking where it is not taking place.
2. That the two can, at times, be indistinguishable or appear so to the victim.

This would be (for me) the reason why this phenomenon is so difficult to raise awareness for. Similarly, it is also the reason why it is so damaging.

I could have empathy with anyone who experiences EITHER condition, you are a victim in either sense and perhaps work needs to be done to be able to clarify the two so borderline cases can be better diagnosed and thus help the victim. I also realise that there are cases where there is less of a gray area as to what is happening and they are clearly a victim of this or vice versa.

Originally posted by magnito_student
If someone was stalking me like this and I really knew for sure it was happening I would sneak up around them when they least expected it and introduce them to my .45 glock ,,right in the face and confront them. They would then become the prey and I would become the predator. They would be followed to wherever they lived and their cars would be blown up.

Now this is if it was a 100% sure thing I was being gang harassed and followed. In the end they would have wished they never gotten involved with me.

And no this isnt some kind of retribution technique I saw in the movies. The mafia did it all the time to enemies and so could you.

Summon the reptilian brain that you already have in your noggen and become ruthless

[edit on 7-8-2006 by magnito_student]

Killing them is a good fantasy, but not reality. Apparently killing is still considered wrong by many.

Also the only way this is going to stop is by educating the public about what's happening.

The corruption is so high, deep, wide, and farspread that it would make your head spin. (If you only knew) Killing a few people will not stop this. (Also it's wrong.) There are so many people that take part in this, at all levels of society, all ages, all cultures, all genders, most occupations.

I always wondered how this could happen in Germany, now I know. I don't wonder anymore.

People think that if they just play along or go along with this it won't happen to them, they are just so wrong.

Some people are just scared. They are scared to talk about this or even acknowledge that this is happening, with good reason. (But all that evil needs is...)


Some can't believe that this is happening. Can you blame them?


Some people are forced into this, coerced, blackmailed. They think that they are owned by this, but they are not. There is still a away out, they just don't believe that there is.

Some think that this is just a game, they either don't realise that the end result is a human life or they simply don't care.

Some belive that they are just being good citizens and getting rid of the undesirables.


When we do try to educate the public, we get mail and email tampered with, or we just don't get our emails. We get our phones bugged, homes bugged and computers monitored. People follow us and try to track our every move. Our forums are taken offline, or posts are at time removed or banned from forums. Forums are hacked.

There are also just like on this forum, so many disinformation agents trying to make sure the truth does not get out.

So the battle is long and the road is winding, we need this to be discussed openly, so that people will know what is happening.

Originally posted by Prote

Yes I agree with the chicken and egg analogy. Since I came across your thread, I have been racking my memory trying to see if I actually had been a victim of the phenomenon you describe. However, these are things I have spent many years psychologically moving away from, not so much as suppression but more of letting go.

I can totally see how any person that is a victim of this could feel severe paranoia, a feeling of being crazy or continually rethinking their sanity. When I first talked about what was happening (or I thought was happening), you very quickly learn how few people you can actually talk to and how what you're saying comes across. As you see so many times in these forums, if you have no proof, people shout crank, and that's what it's like. Close family and friends more likely don't say it but you can see it on their faces.

Having re-evaluated the whole thing these last few days, I am comfortable that my condition was just that...a condition which was treated. Had I found this thread at the point in time I was going through this, I would have said you nailed it. I think this highlights two important things...

The thing with gang stalking is that the harassment does not usually stop. See if it is just paranoia. Then moving or going somewhere else starting a new job might fix it.

In your case you had treatment and what you were going through stopped, however many people never have this stop. Not for years. Also if you were going though gang stalking, having yourself followed is hard to miss once you are aware of it.

The other thing is at the time you might have said it was gang stalking, but you might just as easily read the thread, and decided that it was not gang stalking.

Just like you have done now. Most people if they are going through gang stalking once they understand what it is they know it. Eg. Most are just looking for the answer to their widespread harassment, when they come up on the term gang stalking they then understand what they are going through.

Something about your specific experience must have lead you to belive that there are specific elements missing that did not then facilitate a dignosis of gang stalking. Also like you said this was years ago. I was not present I don't know, but if it's all behind you, and you feel that it was not gang stalking, then it's best to leave it at that.



[edit on 7-8-2006 by Harassment101]

the logistics of gang stalking must be amazingly complex, do you know how much 24/7 surveillance costs?

not to mention you have to coordinate every single agent, plot interceptions and beware of re-using them. electronic harassment is much easier, though and i'm starting to wonder if it's the preferred method.

anyway, this network structure can be understood and used against them, without a doubt. you say that counter-attack is a fantasy, well, if you understand how they're tracking you and if you understand how they coordinate, they become very vulnerable the moment you vanish from their radar screen.

the employed methods are of course entirely up to the individual.

No matter how late at night I would arrive, no matteer how quiet the rest of the city and streets would be, the overpass to one's left while gazing out would be filled with a steady stream of automobiles, driving bumper to bumper as if it were rush hour, incessantly for the duration of my time upon the mountain. It was such an impossible spectacle because I would often not pass another living soul on the streets of the Valley on my way up to the hilltop. Then when I got up there, it didn't matter if I stayed for 5 minutes or an hour, the flow was continuous.

just for curiositiy's sake, could we be dealing with implanted memories or holograms of some kind? i'm very sorry, but how many people would you send just to harass a single person? i can hardly picture hundreds people cruising all night long just for kicks.

certain elements sound very familiar, though, in terms of general atmosphere that surrounds the story, not in terms of individual incidents, so i consider the report honest.

Originally posted by andy1033
probably came from a place like soviet union or china. the victims do not have to have done anything wrong, because as we know, lies made up about a person is just as good as truths.

you will just find more and more of this stuff in society. people probably jump at the chance to hassle people and corner people, must give them big egos. it probably is very vast as well, with the police and medical agencies involved.

one tip, work for the wrong person, and your name may be added to there list, and then you will see if true or not.

the future bright(yep it is for scum who will go to any lenghs to destroy others lifes)

but this is all hearsay is it not, because those victims do not have a voice, just fill them with tablets, and quieten them down to a point where they are not human beings anymore.

this thread reminds me of a saying - "an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"

you can buy directed energy weapons on the internet to use on others, effects dither from making them sick or driving people up the wall to drive them insane. i got links to shops on the internet that actually sell this stuff to the public. , sick world, and anyone who thinks this is rubbish just look for yourself, and you will be able to find those things.

[edit on 27-7-2006 by andy1033]

Sounds like any school campus in America to me, just bigger bullies. Just be one of the ones who is labeled in some way and watch your life go to pieces. Just because a bully gets older doesn't mean they get any less a bully, and we all know bullies do love their own company.

Appreciate the way this "gang-stalking" thing has been defined and the victims' reactions made clear. Gives a much clearer reason for why I felt the need to get all over the principal of my daughter's school for not protecting her when she was being bullied. Also gives me more reason to watch carefully that my grands are not victims of this cowardly, evil behavior.



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