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Racial Tension Flares In England

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posted on Jul, 23 2006 @ 04:57 PM
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I suppose, compared to other current events, this is small potatoes at first glance, but tensions have been brewing in the north of England particularly for some time now, where there are large Asian communities.



BBC - 23 July 2006

The fatal stabbing of a 20-year-old Asian man in Preston had "racial elements", police have said.

Shezan Umarji was killed in a fight involving about 40 white and Asian men and youths in the city's Callon Estate on Saturday morning.

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"We've got a lot of mixed races on that estate, and they live together in harmony all year long, and they've grown up together and they live together, so this is very rare indeed."




BBC - 23 July 2006

An Asian taxi driver has been killed in a racially-motivated gang attack in Huddersfield, police have said.

Mohammed Pervaiz, 41, was found with serious injuries at Field Head, Golcar, late on Saturday night. He died later at Huddersfield Royal Infirmary.

Four males and a female, aged between 16 and 19 years old, have been arrested in connection with the attack.


Unfortunately, this racist undercurrent regularly surfaces in the UK, as it does elsewhere of course. There are people out there who would gladly see 'ethnic minoroties' driven from these shores. I just hope things don't develop.

[edit on 23-7-2006 by KhieuSamphan]




posted on Jul, 23 2006 @ 06:08 PM
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Interesting... in England they refer to Arabs as Asians? I mean when speaking verbally? In America, when people speak of Asians they usually mean Eastern Asians. We NEVER refer to Arabs as Asians.

Weird... Are there very few East Asians in England?

Eh.. offtopic but I was interested.



posted on Jul, 23 2006 @ 06:27 PM
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Im sorry i disagree, a news 24 reporter claimed police told him the preston stabbing wasnt racialy motivated but more a turf war,between 20 white and 20 asians,

its 20 miles from me Preton isnt like bradford at all,

trust me i have 20/20 vision



posted on Jul, 23 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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Sadly these things keep kicking off occasionally, fortunately they're not as bad as the flare ups that have occured in France recently.

Trouble is, you get a few blokes with too much drink in them, include the fact that they're racist scum, and they're out looking for a fight. Unfortunately some poor soul will get in their way and your reading the tragic outcome in the papers the next day.

I think that it's a serious problem here, I've been noticing alot of "casual" racism more and more these days. It's also clear when you look at the increased popularity (fortunately it's only a comparitively small increase) of the BNP.



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 04:12 AM
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The latest brawl in Preston sounded a lot like organized fight, not just some random violence... if you go to fight you may get hurt, "life sucks, then you die" no big deal, if it was an white guy dead this wouldn't even make to the National news.

Racism is a problem in england: I remember running for my life in Eastbourne after Germany won england during some European Cup... and I assume that finnish may sound a bit like german to an drunken bunch of football hooligans..

But this case is just a fight for a fights sake and ethnicity was just a side issue...



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by k4rupt
Interesting... in England they refer to Arabs as Asians? I mean when speaking verbally? In America, when people speak of Asians they usually mean Eastern Asians. We NEVER refer to Arabs as Asians.

Weird... Are there very few East Asians in England?

Eh.. offtopic but I was interested.


Actually there Pakistani. Pakistani's are not arabs but south asians who are not part of the middle east but actually in south asia just like Indonesia, Cambodia, India, Malaysia etc...

Arabs are considered Middle eastern in the UK but anybody from asia(south, south east and central) are considered and labled Asian.



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 05:25 AM
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I think the previous poster was right in that if the person was 'white', it wouldn't be as well publicised, the papers make too much of things and often turn non racial incidents in to racial incidents.

Just because a person who is not 'white' is involved doesn't make it racial.



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 07:47 AM
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I know people in Oldham, which was famous for riots a few years back. The politicians say things are fine (living in their tree lined suburban streets) but on the council estates, tension is still rife.

Just to make it clear though, everytime an Asian or Black is killed, people start saying there is racial tension. If its the other way round its just brushed aside


If a black man muders a white man, its not racist, maybe he just had a problem with him, like the white man stole his wallet. Vice versa, and no, it had to be a pre medidated vulgar racist attack.

The media is always out for a story.



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by CIS001
I think the previous poster was right in that if the person was 'white', it wouldn't be as well publicised, the papers make too much of things and often turn non racial incidents in to racial incidents.

Just because a person who is not 'white' is involved doesn't make it racial.



Totally agree.

It sounds as if some of those involved used racially abusive terms when shouting at one another. But that doesn't mean the motivation was necessarily racial. Nor, of course, that the 'whites' started it


If I'm attacked by someone and they come from Liverpool I might call them a 'Scouse b*stard". If the have red hair I might call them a "ginger b*stard". These are not deemed racial abuse. Yet if they had dark skin and I called them a "black b*stard" then, illogically it would be deemed a racial offence



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by iqonx
Actually there Pakistani. Pakistani's are not arabs but south asians who are not part of the middle east but actually in south asia just like Indonesia, Cambodia, India, Malaysia etc...

Arabs are considered Middle eastern in the UK but anybody from asia(south, south east and central) are considered and labled Asian.


Still in the U.S. we generally would not call these people Asian, that word when in a racial context applies only to people of the Mongoloid race.

Anyway, it's a shame to see racial tension anywhere...but perhaps your government isn't reflecting the desires of the people as to who they want to be able to immigrate to the country.



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 10:43 AM
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id call those orientals,

i noticed when travelling in Miami how much hispanics hate blacks,this shocked me a little,

maybe cos the whits and blacks get on better cos they fought for their rights and now its the hisanics who take the lower paid jobs.

race plays out differently depending on the place,

the media love racialy motivated attacks,i agree

the first ozi i ever met was a completewanker,so i asumed ozy's were all like that for a year or two befor i met some cool 1s,

a dickhead is a dickhead and they come in all shapes colours and sizes,



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 02:59 PM
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up in the north of england there are a few ethnic comunities but i dont think there as many as say in bradford,

however! there was an MP an elected MP who described the north as "hideously white" lol can anyone tell me what the hell is this supposed to mean

if anyone said this place is hideously black they would have the book thrown at them for racism

im not racist by the way i believe in equality which is certainly not what is happening in Britain...this countrys gone down hill in the past 10 yrs


GSA

posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 03:33 PM
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I trained in preston at the university of central lancashire.

Prestons a dump full stop really, but the asians make it 100 times worse than it should be. They are boiling alive almost with sheer hatred for whites AND all others who are not asian. So one got stabbed in a turf war between whites and asians - sorry no big loss really there, scums scum what ever colour and creed it is. they set out with weapons to have a fight, one dead and many injured, well, the big deal is? ah i see - the dead mans asian so that makes it a race hate crime.... so when the whites die at the hands of asians it suddenly becomes gang related and not racist......


go to preston, and feel the sheer hatred as you walk through the st georges shopping arcade - all the asians hang out around it and the market place, and as a female, well i can tell you that 'porkie s@#*' was the very nicest thing they ever said. When I went to the police, they said, well in their culture women are dressed in more clothing - they might be new here.....

Sorry, but growing up in the north, educated in the north, lived in the north gave me one view about the younger asian population

These new discontented racist homophobic Asians hate every one whos not A) Asian and B) Islamic C) Doesn't bow to their every whim wish and demand.

Sorry thats my rant. one got killed in a gang war - Big deal. reached the newspapers though unlike the poor white lad who got killed in 2002 by a gang by the canal - 6 on 1 and lo and behold no national papers covered it....



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 03:44 PM
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It is refreshing on this messageboard, because I get to see the many problems other countries have. I only hear about the internal problems the US has (which there have always been racial problems in the US). But many many countries seem to have so many internal problems as well, UK, China, Russia, Middle Eastern countries, India, France, (you get the picture).

We hear a lot about Islamic fanatical problems in European countries, is this true? I remember the protests in Europe when the Danish cartoons were published, the US seemed to be one of the only countries that didn't have protests. I hypothesized this was because there is a lot of anti-Islamic sentiment in the US, and the protesters may have gotten shot or beaten up and mosques would have been bombed by other citizens. I still remember after 9/11 there were Indian people walking around with signs saying "I am not a Muslim".

Would someone like to confirm this?


GSA

posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 03:53 PM
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It is true.

They threaten to burn, stab or behead any one who steps in their way - and they are allowed to carry fake suicide vests on the streets of LONDON UK in a protest and NOT get arrested.

Why? because they are islamic facists and the goverment are scared of them. When the national papers did a piece on them, lo and behold a suprise appeared.

The person who was most vocal and disgusting at the protest was a well known and VERY violent criminal who the police have a large collection of info on. suprised? not me.

Go to the north of the UK. Drugs, prostitution, assassinations, smuggling, people smuggling and sex slavery, they are the main players in it all. If your not supposed to have it, bet your bottom dollar that the asains can.


Oh and even more joy.... 2007 Romania joins the european union.

Brace UK brace, we are about to get hit by the most destructive impact of immigration since 1066.

300,000 poles in the last year migrated here for jobs, and romanias even poorer....the goverment expect at least 1 MILLION!!

Ask the Met police about Romanians.... and we are going to get 1 million at a CONSERVATIVE estimate!!
why??? because we have a great FREE welfare state to sponge off and a very very weak and stupid goverment who are intent on welcoming all comers with open arms while British people are homeless and jobless......

Bustards.



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 04:19 PM
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Hmm GSA that is very interesting. The American government and system is like the opposite. We don't have a great welfare system, but that affects the American people as well. And the American government seem different from the British government in the sense of muslims. We need a middle ground it seems. For once I was glad we have so many intolerant people in the US when the muslims were rioting in every country
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I do understand about how there seems to be so many immigrants though. It is like how some people were talking about a North American union. That will not pass if Mexico is also included (Canada would be fine), because too many people in the US will have a fit. Due to logical reasons and racist reasons.

And the crime, yes we have the same problem...I didn't know much about these issues in other countries.

I still feel bad for the immigrants who do not cause problems, and just want some jobs...but still...



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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you sound like you have a severe problem with asians full stop love.

and your talking bollocks about what will happen whem Romainia joins the EU.
no dout your a daily mail reader, who predicted the same when poland and others joined,(gypsies plan to take over uk!)my arse

only 15% of preston is asian, 60% in oldam

the gut who wore a dummy suicide belt at the danish cartoon rally was arrested.along with others.
news.bbc.co.uk...
given the charges were dropped but we do live in a country with freespeach.

and if u want a good state pension you will have to get use to immagrents working here,

racial tention happens in the most intergrated of comminities the trick is not to rise to it.

carabieans here hate aficans, the scots hate the english,

i do hope cities like Burnley oldam bradford ect learn from the riots and teach other cities how to avoid it.

and to say asians run all forms of vice is balls too, its mostly ex yougoslav and turks running sex rings,

and show me a batch of drugs that hasnt been through liverpool,

at least poles dont play hip hop in the kitchen!



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 04:40 PM
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Hi GSA...


Originally posted by GSA
They threaten to burn, stab or behead any one who steps in their way - and they are allowed to carry fake suicide vests on the streets of LONDON UK in a protest and NOT get arrested.

Not all of 'them', surely?!



Go to the north of the UK. Drugs, prostitution, assassinations, smuggling, people smuggling and sex slavery, they are the main players in it all. If your not supposed to have it, bet your bottom dollar that the asains can.

I have some, ahem, associates, who have their fingers in these sorts of pies, and they are all as 'white as the driven snow', ethnically speaking. Then again, there aren't many ethnic minoroties where I live.



Oh and even more joy.... 2007 Romania joins the european union.

Funny you should mention Romania. I work for an Italian tyre manufacturer and there is a common perception within our UK based operations that our sites are to be transferred to Romania. Their factory is already up and running. Perhaps we should go over here to live and work!!



300,000 poles in the last year migrated here for jobs...

See, this is the thing with the immigration argument. An economist may say we need economic migrants to sustain growth. I don't know how true that is, but if so, without immigrants we are, how do you say, 'knackered'!



Bustards.

Lol...here you go...



Anyways, I must say, we in Cumbria don't have many of the problems described above because, at the moment, we do not have a sizeable immigrant community. That said, I have notice more Eastern European registration plates on cars recently, and there are more black males around here too. Then again, Cumbria is slated to be amongst the poorest of the 'European Regions' within ten years, so why anyone would want to immigrate here is beyond me.

[edit on 25-7-2006 by KhieuSamphan]



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by GSA
It is true.

They threaten to burn, stab or behead any one who steps in their way - and they are allowed to carry fake suicide vests on the streets of LONDON UK in a protest and NOT get arrested.


Not get arrested, just like the skinhead scummer that I saw hurling abuse while kicking in the door of an asian taxi drivers car? Reason why? The charming skinhead objected to the Asian man being there.



Go to the north of the UK. Drugs, prostitution, assassinations, smuggling, people smuggling and sex slavery, they are the main players in it all. If your not supposed to have it, bet your bottom dollar that the asains can.


Ahhhhh, and we poor English roses, so innocent.



Oh and even more joy.... 2007 Romania joins the european union.


Good, we need new citizens to make up for our plummeting fertility rate. That and the fact most of our own "clean limbed sons of Albion" are workshy spongers.



Brace UK brace, we are about to get hit by the most destructive impact of immigration since 1066.


Best thing the French ever did.



posted on Jul, 26 2006 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by GSA

300,000 poles in the last year migrated here for jobs, and romanias even poorer....the goverment expect at least 1 MILLION!!


And very polite, intelligent and hard working they are too. Doing the jobs the English are too lazy to do (why work when the Govt pays you to sit on your arse watching TV all day?).

(For the record we have a lot of Poles living and working in my town)


Bustards.


Yes, there are immigrant bustards in this country (at least I think there still are?) - but since we made all the native bustard population extinct, there wasn't much choice


news.bbc.co.uk...

[edit on 26-7-2006 by Essan]



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