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Topic started on 22-7-2006 @ 11:39 AM by Gools

Israel set war plan more than a year ago
Friday, July 21, 2006

Israel's military response by air, land and sea to what it considered a provocation last week by Hezbollah militants is unfolding according to a plan finalized more than a year ago.

In the years since Israel ended its military occupation of southern Lebanon, it watched warily as Hezbollah built up its military presence in the region. When Hezbollah militants kidnapped two Israeli soldiers last week, the Israeli military was ready to react almost instantly.
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By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board."

More than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to U.S. and other diplomats, journalists and think tanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail.

The advance scenario is now in its second week, and its success or failure is still unfolding.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Everyone seemed a bit surprised at the "disproportionate over reaction" of Israel.

Must have something to do with the fact they were just looking for an excuse for putting their plans in motion.

I hope all those people screaming that it's about "kidnapped" soldiers realize that they are being played once again.
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reply posted on 23-7-2006 @ 09:42 AM by psyopswatcher
Just checking the facts and came across one reason Israel would not want Hezbollah running things in Lebanon:

Natural resources:

limestone, iron ore, salt, water-surplus state in a water-deficit region, arable land




No water would be death to anyone, not just Israel. But my question is, where does the pipeline run?


The land area of Lebanon is total: 10,400 sq km. 3,000 sorties have been made, 1,800 targeted infrastructure. 375 Lebanese dead and 600,000 refugees on the move, maybe as many as a million displaced.

All I can say is that this is NOT the way to win friends and influence people.


[edit on 23-7-2006 by psyopswatcher]


reply posted on 23-7-2006 @ 10:34 AM by subz
Seeing as though Israel is now openly welcoming a NATO-led presence in Lebanon I would say the Israeli plan would call for Israel occupying Southern Lebanon again (everything south of the Litani) and NATO propping up the Siniora government in the rest of Lebanon.

Of course Israel will claim the renewed occupation of Southern Lebanon is again a "buffer zone" between Israel proper and the "terrorist" Hezbollah. The reason the Israeli 18 year occupation of Southern Lebanon didnt work was that Hezbollah had the rest of Lebanon to operate in. Israel needs accomplices in holding back Hezbollah and it just looks like they may get it.

The first opening move by Israel was getting Syria out of Lebanon. To do that they used their Lebanese MOSSAD assassins to kill Rafik Hariri and then blame Syria.

The second move was to free up Israeli forces and consolidate Israel's defences. To do this they withdrew from the Gaza Strip, which is useless for Israel when compared to Southern Lebanon. The plan also called for the withdrawal from the West Bank but Ariel Sharon's health scuppered that.

Third, Israel formulated an up-to-date plan to send Lebanon back to "the stone age". The plan, as outlined in this thread, was to turn Lebanon into a complete humanitarian nightmare which the international community would be unable to ignore. The Israeli insistance that only troops from modern nations take up the mantle of Lebanon occupiers points to the crucial role they will play to Israel's new "buffer zone".

Fourth, Israel ratchets up the pressure on the Palestinians and waits for the inevitable Hezbollah response. With that pretext fulfilled Israel then implements its up-to-date plan to send Lebanon back to the stone age and then waits for the rest of the World to pick up the pieces.

I predict Israel will now state that for the sake of Israel's security it will annex all of Southern Lebanon south of the Litani River. It will welcome NATO troops in the rest of the country who will be forced to tackle Hezbollah. Then Israel will once again bide its time and eventually try to 'settle" it's conquered territory (through right of might dont ya' know) just like it did in Gaza and the West Bank.

Remember, this plan is Ariel Sharon's baby. He was convicted of allowing the massacre of Lebanese civilians and was known as the "Butcher of Beirut". This plan is merely the end game Israel invisioned back in 1982.



reply posted on 25-7-2006 @ 08:28 PM by ThatsJustWeird
1. This needs to be quoted again
In the years since Israel ended its military occupation of southern Lebanon, it watched warily as Hezbollah built up its military presence in the region.

Does anyone think Hezbollah was building up to hold parades or something? If you had to stand around and watch that, of course you'll make plans. Common sense.

2.
Entering the country under false pretenses telling the world it was to search for the soldiers

Ok, maybe I missed it, but when Hezbollah attacked I remember Israel immediately calling it an act of war. I know they went into Gaza looking for their soldiers there. But after Hezbollah raided Israel, Israel pursued them trying to get their soldiers back but after that first day they declared war on Hezbollah. Their goal since the begining of their northern campaign has been to get rid of Hezbollah (or at least push them back). I can't ever recall them ever saying the only goal was to get the soldiers back.

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the probelm is israel probably have loads of plans of this and that. bit like the pentagon they have plans on everything.

How is that a problem?
We have plans for everything because of the Cold War. They have plans for everything because they're completely surrounded by nations who want them wiped off the map.

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Third, Israel formulated an up-to-date plan to send Lebanon back to "the stone age". The plan, as outlined in this thread, was to turn Lebanon into a complete humanitarian nightmare which the international community would be unable to ignore.


Where is this anywhere? You said that's in this thread, but I don't see that anywhere on this site (or anywhere for that matter)...


[edit on 25-7-2006 by ThatsJustWeird]


reply posted on 25-7-2006 @ 08:43 PM by marg6043
Is a reason why propaganda has made about the middle east to gain support for Israel position against the entire region . . . everywhere I go people here in America seems to fall into the propaganda.

Now we see how things are shaping in the region, it seems that in this day and time nothing seems to be secret anymore. . . or just that some of us are just becoming aware of how the political power is played.

Sometimes I wonder what it will be for people to just step in the other side shoes and see the problem through their eyes.

But occurs we can never even dream of that because that is just unspeakable off, US doesn't support terrorism unless is planned and executed by us and allies.

US will never have talks with countries that has been tagged terrorist nations because that would be giving them to much credit.

Yes things are moving rather and miraculously smooth in the middle east at least for Israel. . . because US is still having a hard time to control its future energy investment and oil interest in Iraq.

But like the news said at a rate of 100 people dying a day . . . we just has to wait until the entire Iraqi nation runs of its citizens and then the land will belong to nobody. . . Right?

Is not the people what is important . . . is what it holds under their sands. . .

Sometimes I wonder who is the true terrorist in the middle east . . .

But occurs that is unspeakable off . . .so never mind.

ThatsJustWeird
What do you expect they know that Israel is their enemy so what they should have done, welcome them with a big give away of land party?


reply posted on 26-7-2006 @ 05:45 PM by psyopswatcher
Originally posted by marg6043

Too bad that many has chosen terrorism and wars to make a point . . . but perhaps is also out of desperation because nobody wants to listen to them . . .



Out of desperation born of generations in refugee camps, ghettos. Some say that's their own fault for staying there but as we see many did leave, many came to the US too. France is full of immigrants, Germany too with Turks included. Britian has muslims from India, Pakistan, you name it. Spain has the Gitanos, gypsy's from Morocco. And most just want to get on with their lives, but they still have family in the region being effected by all this. And we all know how close family ties are.

I'd have to say that the landowners are/were the most pissed off, and those would probably be the sheiks who align themselves with the Arab nations to the east. Allowing their people to grow in hate of the west that did this to them. Teaching their hate gospels in the Wahabbi schools and madrasses. Sad sad affairs.

I don't blame the displaced, miserable Palestinians for what they have endured. But the opportunities missed for them to build better lives is a burden shared by generations turning a blind eye.

And believe it or not, I do admire what Israel has done in that land. They may or may not be the Chosen, but they are industrious and know how to use the land wisely. Much to be commended for.

Did you know that an ultra-orthodox Jew does not want the state of Israel? In the bible, Torah, it says that G_D will bring about the nation of Israel. And not man. But the secular Jews who were persecuted by the Holocaust wanted/needed a homeland to return to in peace too. Well, they got half of what they wished for?

So I'd like to see some fundies argue with that, the ones who would like to see Armageddon begin.
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