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Originally posted by intrepid
And all of this has what to do with the topic?
It's all evil, and only fools believe this war is good on either side.
Originally posted by zappafan1
More damage where 'ya need it, and fewer civilian casualties. Works for me!
Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: Please tell me where inj the past 500 years that lasting peace has ever resulted by appeasing tyrants and dictators, and through negotiations. I don't like war either, but lasting peace has only come through victory.
Originally posted by zappafan1
Pieman: Your post, above, has nothing to prove your quote from your earlier post:
"Israel is far from the innocent little puppy you try to make it to be. Either you are not aware or you are purposefully claiming ignorance to the large amounts of Extasy as well as other designer drugs that come directly from Israel."
Selling helicoptors has no bearing on your claim of the above; That's what I wanted links to.
Ecstasy bust leads to Israel organized crime, officials say
By Christopher A. Szechenyi, Boston.com Staff, 04/26/00
BOSTON -- When federal agents intercepted two 40-pound shipments of a designer drug known as Ecstasy in Boston on April 5, they also uncovered the tip of a worldwide distribution network run by Israeli organized crime, according to a top law enforcement official.
The arrest of two Israeli citizens, Yaniv Yona and Ereza Abutbul, for receiving 172,000 Ecstasy pills sent to their hotel rooms in Boston and Brookline via Federal Express represents the latest case brought against members of Israeli crime syndicates.
"There’s a lot more behind those two," said Raymond W. Kelly, commissioner of the U.S. Customs Service, in an interview with Boston.com. "We have that case and several other cases pending throughout the country."
AS ECSTASY USE SPREADS, DRUG DEALER VIOLENCE RISES
The Club Drug Has Broken Ethnic Barriers; High School Students Report Increasing Exposure
LOS ANGELES -- It was finding an Israeli drug dealer dead in a car trunk at Los Angeles International Airport 18 months ago that gave the authorities here the first hint that the club drug ecstasy was becoming a serious problem. He had been killed by two hit men sent from Israel, said officials of the Drug Enforcement Administration.
Then there was the shipment of 2.1 million ecstasy pills, worth $40 million on the street, that the U.S. Customs Service seized at the airport last July.
The pills, labeled clothing, arrived on an Air France flight from Paris, intended for another Israeli dealer here. The authorities say it was the world's largest ecstasy bust.
And now law enforcement officials say they have seen another worrisome development this year.
At a number of large all-night dance parties called raves, drawing thousands of young people to the desert east of Los Angeles, rival gangs have fought over the sale of ecstasy.
At one rave at a fairgrounds at Lake Perris in March, 102 people were arrested on charges of selling ecstasy, assault or resisting arrest, according to the DEA.
What is happening in Los Angeles mirrors what is occurring across much of the nation, law enforcement officials and drug experts say.
Feds Bust Israeli-U.S. Money Laundering Ring
By Anthony M. DeStefano
April 1, 2003
Federal investigators said yesterday they broke up a ring of U.S. and Israeli nationals suspected of laundering millions of dollars in proceeds from trafficking in the drug Ecstasy.
A total of 17 people, as well as one Florida company, face charges in the probe, which involved coordination between federal and Israeli law enforcement agencies in the last year.
Among those arrested was Natan Banda, the alleged ringleader of the money-laundering network, which federal agents believe has systematically handled tens of millions of dollars in narcotics proceeds. Banda has U.S. and Israeli citizenship and maintains homes in Williamsburg and upstate Monroe, according to the affidavit for the arrest warrant unsealed yesterday.
Originally posted by psyopswatcher
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
It is obvious that Israeli spies functioned in Israel to spy on extremist Arabs.
Mossad agents would not act like idiots in the land they are spying on.
They were illegally working in the US (no green-card) making money and saving it up for a trip (as most Israelis do after the Army)
Judah, you do a good job debunking the rooftop Israeli's. But someone please explain why even idiots would rejoice at such a thing? I remember that day well and the shock felt around the world. To this day I can't fathom anyone enjoying those moments or weeks or months after. How sick.
But I do agree with you that agents would not act in a public display like that. Or record it for posterity.
Interesting comments about illegal workers. Do the immigration people know about this? Well I hope they do now. Is this another reason Jr. drags his feet when it comes to immigration issues? I once met a trucker from New Zealand who had the job purposely for those reasons also. Get paid to travel. Strange, it never crossed my mind to ask about his status. In the job I do I run across greek bridge painters here illegally. And like the fruit pickers from south of the border, they're basically the only ones willing to take on that kind of work.
Ok, back to Israel's problem. Here's a UN map from 1945 showing where the Arab population lived in the day. Why they would need spies, indeed... these demographics pretty much tell the story.
The green part of pacman were Arabs. Click the linkys for large version.
Land Ownership in Palestine, 1945
from the Applied Research Institute in Jerusalem and An Atlas of Palestine
And some reading to see where we've come from there.
Masters Of War
by Bob Dylan
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.
You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.
And how come - since this now obsesses the humanitarian organisations working in Lebanon - that the Israelis bombed two ambulances in Qana, killing two of the wounded inside and wounding the third civilian for the second time in a day. All the crews were injured - one with a piece of shrapnel in his neck - but what worried the Lebanese Red Cross was that the Israeli missiles had clearly pierced the very centre of the red cross painted on the roof of each vehicle. Did the pilots use the cross as their aiming point?
As has also been mentioned, Isreal has been under attack for 46 years by those who want them dead.
They fight for peace, and the arabs/Muslims are fighting for victory. If you cannot see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
And it's clear they are killing far more Lebanese civilians than Hezbollah guerillas
Recently, we had a small, curious reminder of the fact that the United States government regularly ships weaponry all over the world. Two US-chartered A310 Airbuses, evidently carrying a shipment of 600-pound bunker-busting, laser-guided bombs the Bush administration was rushing to Israel for its air campaign in Lebanon, were denied refueling stop-over rights at the Shannon airport by the Irish government. Instead, they landed at Prestwick airport in Scotland, without, it seems, proper notification to the British government. This set off a small uproar of criticism in Britain, resulting in Prime Minister Tony Blair requesting an "apology" while in Washington last week.
On Friday, according to Alan Cowell of the New York Times ("After Rift, Britain Allows Cargo Flights for Israel"), "a British government spokesman said President Bush had apologized ‘for the fact that proper procedures were not followed.'" But wait! This is the Bush administration which never apologizes -- certainly not to Tony Blair. A "senior Bush administration official" put matters in the correct light: "The president acknowledged that while the shipment was proper, there could have been better notification and coordination." And with that non-apology apology, all's well that ends well and the weapons flights to Israel will now continue to land at at British airports.
A spokesman for the Civil Aviation Authority confirmed the authorities had approved an 'exemption' allowing the two new flights to land at Prestwick. The first, a Boeing 747 from Texas, landed at about 1pm yesterday for refuelling. A second flight is due to arrive today.
Residents and politicians in Ayrshire have voiced anger at the flights. The airport has been used by the US as a refuelling point for flights involved in the controversial 'extraordinary rendition' of terror suspects to countries where they are alleged to have been tortured.