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ATS, BTS, What would you like to see in the future?


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reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 07:14 PM by zysin5


Originally posted by Rren
I'm pretty sure all the usual web browsers have them as an add-on. (I know I have them for both my Firefox and IE.)

Oh okay. I still browse around on the oldschool Explorer browser, I really should up date to firefox..


Originally posted by Rren
It's two hours. They do that for purposes of integrity I believe. The unscrupulous could use a longer window to change their arguments (etc.) If you need to make minor changes (spelling, bad link or whatever else) you can u2u a mod for the forum where your thread/post is and they will do it for you (I believe.)


I see that makes alot of sense. When I think about it, that part totaly didnt come into my reasoning or state of mind.. Good point, good point.


Originally posted by Rren
I sure hope people aren't judging the validity of a post based on the member's points total. Of course, that would explain some things. Besides, if you want 'em, points are easy enough to get.... I think you get a few thousand just for signing up for twitter(?).


No sertinly not, its just I find the people who have been around here for a while hold a bit of "trust" to me personally. And the points dont mean anything other than taking part in this online conscious state.
As big as this place is.. We have never crossed paths! So I do thank you for taking the time to answer my questions good sir.
I much like everyone else can get a sense for what kind of person you are with the avatar you chose, and the amount of effort you have put in to be here. I much more likely to connect with you, as you have put in the effort to be a part of this conscious mental state growing here on ATS!


Originally posted by Rren
They're mostly useless anyway. Bought RATS. Added a couple lines to my profile..... *shrug* What else are they good for? I've seen members with several times more than I've got and they have only been here a couple months. If someone's tellin' ya the Royals are Reptilians, points don't matter... it's just true. Any fool knows that!


True, but theres always something in there, maybe one little part of a bigger story that makes sense. Lets take David Icke.. The mans whole story is based on the elite being Lizards, that drink blood, and what not.
However, we can take that, put it on the back burner, and listen to what other stuff he has to say. I will tell you, alot of the things David Icke, and many others say, hold alot of truth and compassoin for people of this world.

So dont get me wrong here.. I look at everything through my own eyes.
And we all have our own personal truths. There is no one Right way to do anything in that sense. Sure you might want to cut an apple a sertin way, as so you dont cut yourself. But its up to you how you do it.
Same with life. Everyone is living their life, and we each hold a small fragment to the bigger crystal that is the universe, god, call it what you want.. We are all fragments!

Thats for your input and the time spent with me!



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reply posted on 30-12-2008 @ 02:22 PM by TheFretwalker


reply to post by SimonGray



I"m about as new as it gets Simon.
Nice to meet you by the way.

Here is what I see could be fixed, along with some obvious solutions, and a few additions i think could help.

1)I've notice some Admins are limiting what people can say because they aren't happy with the others view. Abuse of authority was the first thing I noticed here.
Solutions;
Downsize your Administrative force, limit their interaction to fixing problems, and make it mandatory for them to log in as regular users if they care to participate in debate.
A simple language filter script, along with temp bans, will fix the potty mouths real quick.

Suggestions/Additions

Instant messaging for all.
Chat rooms.
Less Admin participation and interaction.

Have a great day!



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 04:45 AM by americandingbat


reply to post by TheFretwalker



Originally posted by TheFretwalker
1)I've notice some Admins are limiting what people can say because they aren't happy with the others view. Abuse of authority was the first thing I noticed here.


If you see this happening, I'm pretty sure that the administrators would want to know about it. I've seen them overrule some questionable thread shutdowns – there's always a narrow gray area between flaming and just being obnoxious, and it may depend on which moderator gets the post.

But if you see a particular moderator abusing their authority, you could probably report it to Springer or SkepticOverlord by u2u. One of them will probably be by this thread eventually to tell you exactly how best to handle it, but that's my guess in the meantime

Solutions;
Downsize your Administrative force, limit their interaction to fixing problems, and make it mandatory for them to log in as regular users if they care to participate in debate.


There are 69 people in the administrative force according to the board info page. There were 5669 posts in the past 24 hours.

ATS is only the main job for 2 of those 69, I believe: SkepticOverlord and Springer. The forum moderators and supermoderators are all volunteers, and they take the brunt of the everyday post-checking. It doesn't seem overstaffed to me – how many would you recommend?

They also don't moderate threads that they are participating in – if you see a moderator participating in a thread, it is as a member. If they're there as a moderator, you don't see more than "Please keep this discussion civil and on topic." They do also have little white borders they can activate to make it extra-clear that they're posting as members not mods, but they don't always turn them on.

A simple language filter script, along with temp bans, will fix the potty mouths real quick.


Will it also remove off-topic or incendiary posts? Determine whether or not the terms and conditions have been violated? Carry on a u2u conversation with the member whose post was removed to let them know why?

Suggestions/Additions

Instant messaging for all.
Chat rooms.
Less Admin participation and interaction.


There are chat rooms, although I think you have to have made a certain number of posts before you can join them. And u2u is sort of instant-messenger-ish, so we have that too.

I have to wonder how much Admin interaction you could possibly have faced in one day here?

[edit on 12/31/08 by americandingbat]



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:01 AM by alyosha1981


I would like to see a "dead thread" section one that would be dedicated to all the threads that didn't make the "cut" I feel this would be a valuable addition to ATS because at some point at some time someone thought that a topic was important enough to them to post a new thread on, so a centralized location where one could "browse" the dead thread graveyard (thats my suggestion on what to call it BTW) would also benefit members as some of the topics that got 0 responces might be of some interest they just might have missed them, so there you have it thats my suggestion.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 01:58 PM by schrodingers dog


Just a couple of quick suggestions if I may:

1. You know how we have a list of moderators at the bottom of every thread page to indicate those who moderate that specific forum? Could we add the FSME as well? It would be helpful to know who they are for each forum so we can contact them should we require an "expert" opinion on that subject.

2. In an effort to keep the "Breaking Alt. News" forum for truly alternative news, may I suggest creating a "Breaking Economic News" forum? This has already been implemented with the "Breaking Political News" forum.

Just thinking out loud.

Cheers.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 05:35 PM by MemoryShock


reply to post by schrodingers dog



I like the FSME idea but both of those are contingent upon Skeptic's inclination to integrate them into the code...which takes a bit of time and effort not to mention his priority list...

If enough people find it a valid effort, though and post their agreeance, it could happen...



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:03 PM by TH3ON3


I just wonder are any of these ideas really going to be implemented, or is this just a generic "catch-all" to allow us to think we are making some kind of difference on ATS?

Looks to me like ATS is going backwards in site rankings. Maybe if the site designer would implement some of these very good suggested changes and get people involved in the site the ranking may start going the other way.

Until then it's status quo as usual.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:09 PM by MemoryShock


reply to post by TH3ON3




If enough people find it a valid effort, though and post their agreeance, it could happen...


Regardless of your opinion regarding the ranking (which has fluctuated enough in the past to place us at "5" because of their attempts to perfect the system) I believe I made it clear that if an idea has enough support it will get implemented.

We have a few new forums in the last year precisely because of member support in droves.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:19 PM by enjoies05


reply to post by MemoryShock



That would be a cool feature. Or it could go in the member list. You can already sort it by Staff, why not FSME. That could say which forum they belong to.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:35 PM by TH3ON3


reply to post by MemoryShock




Who cares about more forums to wade through. More posts to wade through to try and get to the minutia. The short cuts and the ranking order system would keep more people interested in the site which I have to admit I am getting very bored with and the reason I left for several weeks to post and peruse GLP, until I found out it had been sold to someone else (ie government) who were censoring controversial/sensitive threads. At least i believe that is what has happened at GLP. I say that based on threads that were hot and not violating any policy mysteriously disappearing from the placement system.

Bottom line, this site gets boring when we have to work so hard to find the posts/replies by those we really want to read, ie tenured posters/experts/friends/foes, etc. Allowing an option to read posts of our choosing by clicking on the preferred option would keep the site exciting and make it much cleaner, and streamlined. Most of the "normal' members would greatly appreciate this option to read only the replies we really want to read and filter out all the BS.

Every good company should always strive to improve and keep things cutting edge and fresh. a company should try to improve on any flaws noted by the consumers...ie the users members.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 06:55 PM by MemoryShock


Originally posted by TH3ON3
Who cares about more forums to wade through.



You missed the point.

If enough people think an idea is good than the implementation will be made.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:01 PM by TH3ON3


reply to post by MemoryShock



But how do you find the ones who agree? There is no way to order the replies in favor of a particular idea! I guess one of the powers that be here could wade through and write down all the ideas then tabulate by hand.



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:19 PM by MemoryShock


reply to post by TH3ON3



Now you are just being obtuse.

If the idea is that important than a thread could be made in BBQ...'with a link'...

This thread is intended for ideas that would help but aren't immediately important...as most of us are here to collaborate on real world ideas and concepts.

You do understand that board implementations don't happen overnight...or are you?



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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 08:45 PM by TH3ON3


reply to post by MemoryShock




Well how about putting out an official thread stating which ideas the ptb are thinking of implementing. That would at least placate some of the frustration.

Hey here's an idea, why not allow us to submit ideas and then let the members vote for the ones they like the best.

Man I don't know how I come up with these ideas as obtuse as I am.



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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 10:56 PM by pepsi78


Don't know if my idea is original and I posted it in the wrong forum at first.
So here was my idea.


It seems to me that the points sistem can be improved so points would worth someting, simbolic and more.I went to my ATS store in my control center and there is not a whole lot of things to do there.

For example points to buy t-shirs with ATS , cups, figurines or other simbolic stuff that is really cheap.It should take alot of points to get such things, should be something like 20000 points for a tshirt with an ATS inscription.It would give the ATS store a more better definition, and it would incurage the poster to post even better so he can win a simbolic prize and chear up for it.

How does this sound?



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reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 12:29 AM by TH3ON3


How about letting all of the anonymous posts that never post due to known IP address or other reasons be allowed to post on a singular thread that we can check.

It's kind of lame to let most all of the anon posts to never be read on a conspiracy site!

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reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 01:57 PM by nerbot


Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Could we add the FSME as well?


I'll second that.

It would be great to have an expert to assist in times of doubt (or stupidity).




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reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 02:04 PM by nerbot


Originally posted by pepsi78

For example points to buy t-shirs with ATS , cups, figurines or other simbolic stuff that is really cheap.


Points are not currency and would NEVER pay for items from the ATS shop.

You are asking for charity...imo

For a FREE website, it's only fair to pay in money for what was originally bought for money.

Nice try though, I did consider it myself but reckoned I should pay about 20,000 points for one of those little badges.

One thing I would like to suggest would be special prize awards from the store for REALLY outstanding threads and (mainly) informative articles. The products of some competitions maybe.

But what do points make.....not prizes.

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reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 05:37 PM by chissler


reply to post by freakyty



The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Your suggestion is very creative and interesting. However, we have had a similar concept on ATS for a very short period of time about a year ago or so. Members had star ratings and fellow members could rate you. I believe it was one through five, five being the highest. But like anything, it is abused and the meaning of each level is purely subjective thus rendering the program useless. And I think the flaw in that is the same as in the concept you suggest.

Ignorance is subjective and applying a rating system to it is going to be flawed. One man's ignorance is another man's truth.

If I rate something the highest it can be rated and someone else rates it the lowest it possibly can, (which will happen frequently) is the concept even worth while?

The star system we currently have is what replaced the one I've mentioned. If you like something, flag it and/or star it. If you don't, then don't do either. By not offering a star or flag you are asserting your opinion that it is not worthy of one.

Unfortunately this is unsatisfactory for most as not applying one is not tangible and most would prefer to have a tangible approach where they can offer a demerit.

Negative rating systems don't fly on ATS.

If you like something, let it be known. If not, ignore it. It's a system that seems to work.

(All of this is merely my own opinion and not a reflection of the Abovetopsecret.com staff and administration)


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



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