U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland will travel to Beirut, hoping to win agreement to create safe routes into Lebanon for relief convoys.

Your link proves that it may hapen while nothing is hapening at present time, dont make predictions of the future.

* The Red Cross sent 22 tons of food and supplies, along with a nutritionist and a surgeon, from Beirut to Tyre, Lebanon, on Friday, according to the international relief agency.

Where are the red cross points, that food never got to the people, israely air jets just bomb everything coming from any point.

No it didn't. As they kidnapped the soldiers they fired rockets and mortor rounds into Israel. That's what started this whole thing. This is common knowledge.

Yes it did, and only after the boming of the international airports, I guess the pictures from above show clear that the whole city is in ruble and that this atack
is way about comon sence.




[edit on 21-7-2006 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by Implosion

Originally posted by Denied

"Disproportional" sounds a sad word for the total destruction of Lebanon.?



I take your point, and understand where you are coming from, but when you see Images such as these, than the word "Disproportional" does seem to fit rather well.

Isreal is being bombarded by rockets coming from Lebanon.

Isreal's gets information that the leaders of Hizbollah are in a certain part of Beruit and other factions of them are in other parts of Beruit. Hizbollah leadership and forces are hiding cowardly among innocent people in a city. So, do you let them stay there safe and continue the attack on your country, or do you decide to take them out and prevent further attacks on your citizens.

So they bomb where they think the threat is coming from against its citizens.

Isn't that what you hope your country would do for you?

[edit on 22-7-2006 by Keyhole]

If someone throws a rock at you, and you shoot them for it, its disproportionate.

The Nazi's had a policy of shoooting ten civilians for every german killed by the resistance - that was disproportionate.

Ripping out an entire nations infrastructure to respond to a minority is disproportionate.

I'm going to wade in on this one, with an analogy.

If the UK had applied the same rules to the IRA as Israel is doing with Hezbollah, large sections of Dublin, and other parts of the Irish Republic would have been bombed.

The Irish Government would have - rightly - pointed out that it had nothing to do with the IRA (as the Lebanese government is doing with Hezbollah) and asked for the attacks to stop, but the UK would have ignored that still have bombed out every bridge in Dublin, the power stations and any places suspected that might be holding IRA Terrorists.

The UK would also be massing troops at the Northern Irish border and carrying out incursions into the Republic of Irelands territory, after dropping leaflets telling people to get out of the way.

The Royal Navy would have put in place a blockade around the Irish coastline.

Now, if Britain had carried out this action in response to the atrocities carried out by the IRA Terrorists (they attacked our cities with bombs btw, just so you know - I was in the vicinity of two of the bombs that wrecked Manchester and Warrington when they went off - the Warrington bomb was originally intended to knock out a high pressure gas plant that would have levelled everything within a couple of miles of the detonation - such lovely people the IRA) a whole slew of people in the US would have described it as "disproportionate response"

Hell - take it to the extreme - I've seen some idiot posters on ATS advocate nuking the area to get rid of the probem. Maybe the UK should have nuked Dublin?

But....as its the Israeli's doing it to a bunch of Arabs, those people who would have condemned the UK's actions condone those of Israel.

Think about it. Theres so much rhetoric on here and most of it is mis-guided, stupidity from people who think they know about the situation, but are only seeing it from one side.


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You have voted neformore for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Great post, now try to convince the ignorant of your statement.





[edit on 22-7-2006 by Mdv2]

Originally posted by marg6043
Well the problem is that while targeting Hezbollah militants Israel attacks are also bringing casualties into the Lebanese population that has nothing to do with Hezbollah.

Going in full force into a country just to target one group could be seen as to excessive by some.

Hahaha. I'm not sure if you meant that as a double, for the USA attacking Iraqi citizen's because Al Quida was there, but I think you nailed it!!!

I wish I could wake up one morning and everyone was nice to each other.

EDIT:

I think I should also add..

The USA should bomb the hell out of itself for housing terrorists (those guys that learned to fly here in America).

[edit on 7/22/2006 by Arcane Demesne]

Lol how would it be for england to atack irland for the IRA organisation, just bomb the crap out of them.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

As are as the throwing rocks, and IRA comparisons.....LOL!!
This is starting to be hillarious!
They're not throwing rocks, just to throw rocks. They're throwing rocks to wipe you off the planet. If someone was throwing rocks at you desperately trying to kill you, what would you do? Just stand there??
No! Don't be silly. You'd stop them!

The IRA's goal is political in nature. Their goal is not annihilation so the situations are dealt with differently....

[edit on 22-7-2006 by ThatsJustWeird]

Oh dear.
I feel sorry for you.
You aren't intelligent enough to understand the comparison I made.
I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just going to pity you.

Originally posted by neformore
Oh dear.
I feel sorry for you.
You aren't intelligent enough to understand the comparison I made.
I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just going to pity you.

Maybe they are special rocks only found in Palestine ?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Remember when that story was later debunked becaused it turned out that the people were killed by a land mine placed on the beach by palestinians to keep Israeli commandos from coming ashore there?

Derbunked by who? The israelis? palestinian doctors and Human Rights Watch said it was not wounds from a land mine but wounds from shells. This was what started everything, first the appology, then the denial, then placing the blame on the new government, then 2 days later a "pinpoint target" attack missed the carload of "terrorists", hit a 5 year old child and a pregnant civilian walking on the street as well as several others dead or injured. No terrorists were killed or injured in the attack.
Talk about adding insult to injury.



Pie

Originally posted by neformore
Oh dear.
I feel sorry for you.
You aren't intelligent enough to understand the comparison I made.
I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just going to pity you.

No I understood completely. It's just not a good example as the two situations are in every way different.

The structures that are being targeted (not saying that other non targeted structures haven't been hit as you can see) in Lebonan are essential to Hezbollah and it's operations. If you were fighting a war against a group that was trying to completely destroy you, what would you do? Wouldn't you go after everything that they need to continue their operations?
Yeah it sucks for Lebanon, but that's their and the UN's fault for not dealing with Hezbollah sooner.

Funny how that question is never answered and I know it probably won't get answered this time. If someone was trying to wipe you out, how would you react and what would you do?

Originally posted by xEphon

I really dont know, but I would hardly call it 'debunked'.
Afterall, what was the IDF firing artillery into Palestine during a time of cease fire anyway!?

That other group had been attacking Israel. It was not Hamas but they blamed Hamas for not doing anything, of course since they had no money, no fuel and employees working for over a month with no pay, who was going to chase a bunch of terrorists risk his butt and not even be able to feed his family. It was a catch-22 for them and I think Israel just waited for the right excuse to get rid of them. As witnessed in the unwarranted arrest of practically their entire cabinet.


Pie

How can lebanon army stop hesbolah when the army is weaken after a long israely invasion and a civil war.
How can you blame some one that does not have the power to do anything because the army it's self fears hesbolah.
In stead of aiding the lebanon army by making it more powerful by international aid to try to combat hesbolah, israel decides to bomb the crap of it's civilans and kill people in mass only a week and a few days passed and there are already 300+ people killed, alot more injured and people wondering around with out shelter,food, and no place to lay their heads.
I thought that civilians always came first, that in the line of fire civilians were the most important ones that had to be speard.
At the moment I see israel no more better than hesbolah.