Originally quoted by RetinoidReceptor
Jewish groups usually advocate for the SURVIVORS, as you stated above. As long as they do not shove it down your throat and make you feel like you owe
their great great grandchildren something [reparations] and don't creat a whole lot of ado about nothing, then it is fine.
It's funny how people forget that there are SURVIVORS from the Jim Crow era still alive as well. My older relatives are SURVIVORS of heinous
prejudices committed during the era of segregation. A lot of their friends are also SURVIVORS of the same terrible prejudices committed during that
The NAACP also advocates for the SURVIVORS of the Jim Crow era. There are Black people still living who have endured the vagaries of what racist
people have done to them politically, legally and socially. Some even have family members who have been lynched.
In fact, do me a favor. Deliver your beliefs to Emmett Till's mother. She's still alive. As well as Myrlie Evers, whose husband was killed. They
would love to hear your attitudes of "shoving these things down the throats of people".
As for Rev. Jackson, he stood there and witnessed the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King assasinated at the Lorraine Hotel. He too is a SURVIVOR of the Jim
Crow era, whether you like it or not.
As for reparations, the government gave them to the Japanese SURVIVORS of the relocation camps. Should they not have received them? But no one ever
gets on their backs for asking for reparations.
And because of that, any group that advocates for their survivors (including the NAACP) also are as worthy as any Jewish group that advocates for
survivors of the Holocaust.
Even with that being said, there are good and bad people of all racial groups. There are people who are successful and not so successful of all
racial groups. There are a lot of people from different races who are in the ghetto. There are people who are in jail from all racial groups. So
logically, every race has the same problems.
But, it depends on social mobility and how the powers that be afford it to certain races opposed to others. Therein lies the rub.
However, it always strikes me as funny that people from any other race feel that they have to give advice to Black people for some reason. They wag
their finger repeatedly telling us that we have to "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps". However, they ignore the bigger picture and remain
sedimented on the stereotypes pitched by the media, the pundits and the politicians.
And that is what you are exactly doing when you are bringing up what "Black people must do to get it together". What have you done to help the
Black community instead of berate them in a derogatory fashion?
I always never understand why in history books there are huge things about the holocaust and slavery yet people rarely talk about the millions and
millions murdered in African genocides or the gulags during the Soviet era or the Japanese genocides against the Chinese. Doesn't seem very fair
There are groups that advocate many of these things. The Chinese have asked for reparations and restitution against the Japanese. Furthermore,
Armenians have also formed groups that talked about the genocides committed to them.
It has to do with being aware of what's going on. And people who usually don't, complain about it. Others who do proactively write, campaign and
publically speak about it. Research has long been written about all of these areas. There are centers who study the victims of war crimes and write
about them. They interview, catalogue and create an archive of the different acts of genocide around the world. Some centers are held at various
universities across the United States and internationally. Some scholars have made it their life's work. It takes research to find these things out
instead of "crying for equality" and "tolerance".
Oh well, you can believe whatever you want, I still dislike the NAACP nobody said you have to. Like I said, when they start, I don't know, picking up
their community instead of focusing on racism and even making it up out the air sometimes, and blaming the white community for what state the black
community is in, then it will seem like a more useful organization.
As I said before, all communities have their problems. But there is a notable difference between the Black and Jewish community.
The difference between Jews and Blacks, is that Jews are white and are discriminated against because of religion. Their skin color does not create
the glass ceiling in the work place as well as in society. And they are definitely not politically disenfranchised by representation in the government
(although in Florida, retired Jewish voters were disenfranchised by the Florida recount as well as Black voters). However, if they were to give up
their religion tomorrow, they could still vote, get a job and be productive members of society without being harrassed about color.
Blacks cannot hide behind a religion. Their skin color does not magically disappear if they renounce it. And as long as people continue to use skin
color as a judgment of intelligence (i.e.,The Bell Curve
), productivity as well as social integration and legality(i.e. ex-Secretary of
Education Bill Bennett's comments about "Blacks and abortion"), there is still a problem here.
Yes, Jews and Blacks share a history of persecution. That makes both of us very close in our legacy of being discriminated against in society. In
fact, Blacks and Jews have helped each other out in many ways. And for that, we need to reach out to each other on common ground when talking about
But the problem here is education and and using that to enhance race-relations. Then you can talk about tolerance once you get a grasp of the issues
instead of using stereotypes to say what's wrong with the Black community.
How do you suppose Blacks educate others about themselves if there aren't any groups who will advocate for them, research their histories and make
And how do you suppose Blacks change the minds of others when there are people like yourself that easily give into the "screaming about race" stigma
that accuses Blacks of talking about their experiences? Because people accuse Blacks of "screaming about race", they tend to shut off the dialogue
because they think that the experiences of Black people are not to be validated.
And how do you think Black people feel when no one wants to listen to their lives, stories or experiences--especially when it has to do with
And why do you think it is easier for people to understand and listen to Jewish people talk about their experiences and get people to understand them
rather than other racial and ethnic groups?
[edit on 23-7-2006 by ceci2006]