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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Ah yes, I forgot about the dredged TWAT, always makes things complicating. Still, there have been two previous ships named USS Crusader. BTW I don’t approve of USS Regime Change or Vietnam; I would go more for USS Liberator, kind of reflects what we’re all about don’t you think?
Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
I think USS Destroy Humanity is the most appropriate name.
Anyway, I think the construction of these new carriers is absolutely absurd. There is absolutely no reason to build these other than to supply the military-industrial complex with jobs and revenue. We already have twelve immensively expensive carriers, the only one needing to be retired/replaced is the Kitty Hawk.
Its just a complete mismanagement and misallocation of resources.
Originally posted by deltaboy
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Yeah exactly, we’ve already had too many Enterprises, its time for a bold name, nothing says Uncle Sam wants you to change your policy better than USS America showing up near your coast.
(shrugs) the U.S. Navy is just following what the Brits are following when renaming a ship. How many ships have been repeatedly name the Trafalgar? Enterprise is an awesome name for the new class. Dreadnought sounds good?
Originally posted by orangetom1999
As to the America..West Point...No I dont think that is what happened to the America. But your point is intresting. Ships like the battleship Wisconson museum over in Norfolk are very costly to maintain. The federal government does not want to keep shelling out despirately needed moneys to help maintain such ships as museums. In addition there is also the liabilitys of visitors tresspassing into areas they shouldnt. I can assure you that when you climb the ladders going up and down into the shaft alleys on carriers...if you dont know what you are doing you can get crippled for life or killed if you fall off these ladders. It is like some 60 plus feet...straight up and down. THey often put some kind of nets around the different levels of these ladders so that if you fall you can sometimes be caught by the nets or at least slowed down. Ive been up and down them with my tool bag/box. I carry a rope when I can and rope the box down then follow with all arms and legs..keeps you in shape..I mean to tell you.
States themselved do not have such moneys either. Most of the time when you go onboard a ship like this most areas are closed off to the public for reasons of liability. Also you dont want someone messing with valves and such for which they dont know what they are operating.
Carriers are very large ships. I've known of guys having heart attacks working on them and people searched for over a hour and a half before they found them. This guy I knew was long dead before found.
I will tell you guys something about carriers and ships...construction and such that will not be in the papers on on the news nor in pubic education.
Do not let any Congressmen or Senators BS you. They are lying through their teeth and playing cheap politics with the issues here.
Then throw in a Air headed politician (thats the nice way to say it) educated in the public system who is trying to get elected/re elected on a handpicked "victimization" issue...you know.."I feel your pain!!!!". Good grief..what a mess.
You have to be building one all the time to maintain these commitment levels. Dont let them lie to you for cheap politics.
Originally posted by ignorat_ape
its just a name
Originally posted by orangetom1999
I have seen little to beat the absolute ignorance of many politicians. While the public is not particularly bright it is the brashness of politicians which needs to be shed light on in this country.
This buisness of financing and the national debt is much more sinister and devastating than the public is allowed to know. As you stated..it also gets people elected.
I have had debates with people from Europe and the Uk. They think we should dump all this military spending and support more of give away programs like medical and more education....which have become jobs programs...not necessarily for the benifit of the public. Education especially. These countrys would be all for this while looking down their long noses at us...until they are in trouble and need bailing out as was the case in two world wars. Then they will look down thier noses at us for not being able to help them. It is a no win situation for us with most of these nations. I dont have any more respect for them than I do most of our own government deficit spending.
Thanks,
Orangetom
Originally posted by orangetom1999
You seriously need to think about this statement of yours..
You posted:
"Of coruse it won't be in the papers or public education. The average American doesn't care about carriers and warships. Can't say I blame them either. "
I agree..the average American..."how about those Lakers...those Redskins. Amereican Idol" etc etc etc.
Until........!!!! Until they are in trouble in places like Lebanon..or Serria Leone etc etc. And it has happened over and over.
Incredibly in times like this many of them have the asinine stupidity to want to be totally taken care of like they were back home and not in a emergency situation. This is obvious in some of the interviews of the people being evacuated from Lebanon. Asinine.
I saw this stuipidity around here after Hurricane Isabel. People expecting to be served but making no real preparations themselves beforehand. IN hurricane Katrina..people were insulted by the government passing out MRE meals. Astonishing ...like someone owed them to put up a resteraunt meal for them..to serve them up to thier standards. Really stupid.
This is what passes for greatness among many peoples ..including senators and congressmen who have been publically educated...ie...television educated.
They think mostly about fun and comforts until they are in trouble and then they look for someone else to blame..if they need bailing out.
In light of recent events in places like Serria Leone and Lebanon ..you need to think about what you are saying. Also this will not be the last time our military will go to such places to evacuate our peoples.
YOu are correct about the Average American....however ...I do blame them for thier educated stupidity. Many Americans have been breast fed so long they are dumb enought to think it is deserved and owed to them..even in foreign lands.
While on that subject...remember what our militarys did to render aid to those countrys stricken by that Tsunami a couple of years ago. And many of them still look down their long noses at us..as if we owe it to them or insulted them....including some Americans.
Thanks,
Orangetom