A "greater" Israel eh?

Interesting idea!

Hmmm, lets see, Bekka, Golan, Gaza, West Bank, c'mon? What are you thinking?

Contrary to popular belief, were Israel to be bloodthirsty, the devastation in the region would be unimaginable.

Evidence to consider is the fact that Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and a whole host of other Arab/Muslim nations have mysteriously NOT joined the fray...... hmmmmmm......

Originally posted by AGENT_T

Originally posted by Jewish_hammer
That Theory of yours.......is just SO full of poo
btw,you heard? thes hisbalalalala shot at an arabien city (nazeret)
killed 3 people, 2 of thos are children,woulded about 70 other poeple.
I just don't get how stupid they are,shooting at thiere so called "brothren"

WHAT?? you mean as stupid as Israel shooting up canadians and Innocent Lebanese civillians

How is that going to justify your actions??

I was talking only half an hour ago to a bunch of Brits and guess what??? THey have just become anti-Israel due to this extreme action against a small group of terrorists

I said before and I,ll say again.. Israel has everything to lose going in heavy handed..

You are supposed to have a highly capable secret service..Why not use them to infiltrate. position and capture the real terrorists without sacrificing innocent lebanese??

Now they have become worse than the Hezbollah with these cowardly attacks on women and children...whilst warning the lebanese forces not to resist as they destroy their country..

I am getting more sickened as the days go by

At least you know what to expect from terrorists..

This is SUPPOSED to be a well trained army...
Well they are failing their duty miserably

[edit on 19-7-2006 by AGENT_T]

Please explain this to me. When in human history has ANYONE fought a war that has not killed civilians? When did that war happen, and do you expect, in this pretty little world you seem to think you live in, that a war will ever occure in which civilians wont die? Some peoples train of thought that if we all just get together and talk and be civil and hug and be friends makes the problems go away makes me sick. It doesnt happen like that, welcome to the real world where innocent people die and it is not worth spending time complaining about it because it will never be avoided.

It sucks that women and children die in these bombings, that canada's citizens where killed, but it happens, and if you do not want it to happen, don't upset your bigger stronger neighbor!! It is that simple, if these dumba*%es would stop provoking Israel people won't die!

They should be happy Israel permits them to live on their little pile of worthless sand, Israel could very well slaughter them all and take the land for themselves, but they don't. Stop being pissed off at Israel for attacking these barbarians that TRY and kill civilians, blowing up buses like the cowards they are.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Please explain this to me. When in human history has ANYONE fought a war that has not killed civilians? When did that war happen, and do you expect, in this pretty little world you seem to think you live in, that a war will ever occure in which civilians wont die? Some peoples train of thought that if we all just get together and talk and be civil and hug and be friends makes the problems go away makes me sick. It doesnt happen like that, welcome to the real world where innocent people die and it is not worth spending time complaining about it because it will never be avoided.

It sucks that women and children die in these bombings, that canada's citizens where killed, but it happens, and if you do not want it to happen, don't upset your bigger stronger neighbor!! It is that simple, if these dumba*%es would stop provoking Israel people won't die!

They should be happy Israel permits them to live on their little pile of worthless sand, Israel could very well slaughter them all and take the land for themselves, but they don't. Stop being pissed off at Israel for attacking these barbarians that TRY and kill civilians, blowing up buses like the cowards they are.

WOW, rockpunk your normaly very reasonable.
Yes civilians have died in every war known to man, but the difference in this situation is that this is not a war between nations, but one nation attacking a countries political party, they are not the lebaneses government. So with this resolve, the IDF has to soley aim for Hezbolla. Also saying that women and children and canadians were killed sucks, but what about a 20 year old man, who was just about to start his life, does he not deserve any sympathy? Or a old man, who had nothing agaisnt israel, and was a self pro-claimed pacifist, should he of been bombed with a 23 ton bunker bomb?
Also to say that Lebanon should be happy that Israel lets them have "their little pile of worthless sand" shows you have never been to lebanon, to see its beauty. Also Israel has no claims on lebanon, as the lebanese have the right to exist, as it was liberated from being a french colony in the 40's. And if israel did slaughter the lebanese, and take their land, the international community would be up in arms to stop israel. So in the end it wouldnt work.
Now you would think that Israel, as its creation would never of happend if it wasnt for the holocaust, would of learnt a important lesson back in the conentration camp. That all people have the right to life, and that no one has the right to take that away. Right now the discrimination in the western world agaisnt arabs are 'resembling' not the same as Jew hate back in the 30's in germany.
Also you finaly sentence, claiming they are barbarians is jsut a complete ignorant racial slur, which look at history again was the tactic used by the romans. When you feel their is nothing else you can do to change the world you live in, and then you are preyed apon by fanatical clerics/ or priests, people can do some very disgusting things in them name of their beliefs. I dont condone the actions of suicide bombers, but i do try to empathise with them. They are not 'barbarians' but people who are similar to us in every way, they just have a different culture, and a different view on the world. You may call them a 'barbarian' but im sure then they call you a 'fat westerner pig'.

I have my beer and my beer makes me a very unreasonable person! And with my beer I keep reading fools who think Israel is personally out to kill women and children. Or in this posters case to force people away from their land to take it for themselves. It is simply people who do not care to understand the culture and history of these peoples. And they can call me a fat western pig because I am defently not fat so I laugh at them. And it is just this post making me mad, so many blind people actually think that Israel and the muslims can talk it out. There is going to be war after war and everytime someone is going to get their @$* kicked. Why blame the victor? If the muslims where winning would we be all sorry for Israel and then decide to hate the brutal tactics of Hezbollah??? ok /rant off

No one blames the victor in war. Victors write history remember. Do you see people saying the Allies were wrong when they brutaly bombed Berlin at the end of WW2? No.
I think people are agaisnt agressors not victors, now then the debate on who the agressor is in this war.......im sure some other thread covers that so i wont go into detail. But the way the IDF has handled the situation in Lebanon shows that is was pre-planned strikes, now i have no prove of this other than the organization of the IDF and how quickly they have planned and launched attakcs on so many targets. This sort of stuff cant be planned accurately in a few hours. The second piece of evidence i believe is the pull out of colonists months ago from gaza. Again another pre-planned tactical defense, to make sure their colonists are behind their wall and that they arnt vunerable to attack. I think this clearly does depict pre meditation of these attacks.

If this is true, then it does show that the kidnapped soldiers are just a scapegoat used by israel to weaken their neigbours. Now if Israel attack another country under false pre-tensis does that not mean that they are in the wrong?

By the way i dont believe in souljah's post, as if you look at when that map was drawn up....1918. Befor Irael even existed, this is just twisting facts to set his agenda. Now i do believe their are some fanatical zionists in Israel who would like to see a 'Greater Israel' happen, but this is not the majority of the Israeli people, but still just like fanatical islamic terroists, i do believe that the fanatical zionists also need to be watched. Fullstop.

[edit on 083131p://upWednesday by wang]

Originally posted by wang
No one blames the victor in war. Victors write history remember. Do you see people saying the Allies were wrong when they brutaly bombed Berlin at the end of WW2? No.
I think people are agaisnt agressors not victors, now then the debate on who the agressor is in this war.......im sure some other thread covers that so i wont go into detail. But the way the IDF has handled the situation in Lebanon shows that is was pre-planned strikes, now i have no prove of this other than the organization of the IDF and how quickly they have planned and launched attakcs on so many targets. This sort of stuff cant be planned accurately in a few hours. The second piece of evidence i believe is the pull out of colonists months ago from gaza. Again another pre-planned tactical defense, to make sure their colonists are behind their wall and that they arnt vunerable to attack. I think this clearly does depict pre meditation of these attacks.

If this is true, then it does show that the kidnapped soldiers are just a scapegoat used by israel to weaken their neigbours. Now if Israel attack another country under false pre-tensis does that not mean that they are in the wrong?

By the way i dont believe in souljah's post, as if you look at when that map was drawn up....1918. Befor Irael even existed, this is just twisting facts to set his agenda. Now i do believe their are some fanatical zionists in Israel who would like to see a 'Greater Israel' happen, but this is not the majority of the Israeli people, but still just like fanatical islamic terroists, i do believe that the fanatical zionists also need to be watched. Fullstop.

[edit on 083131p://upWednesday by wang]

I think on a post else where I said the exact same thing as you, in different words of course. Israel did withdraw to consolidate her peoples behind her wall to prepare to attack and be attacked. I believe Israel planned this long before it happend and used this as a pretence for invasion, how ever are they still wrong? It is a fact Israels wort enemies where building up in Palestine and Lebanon. These militant groups in Palestine where attacking Israel, commiting acts of war. In Lebanon I do not see this as the same reason for invasion, simply that Hezbollah was building up to much.

One thing about this hasnt been adressed fully though. If Israel was infact planning this invasion like we both think they where, they would have HAD to tell America about it. Israel would not inflame the region in a way like this with our troops there with out giving notice. Maybe WE planend this Israeli invasion, and maybe we are using this as a proxy to invade Syria and Iran?? All speculation of course, Bush wants in though, and I personally see at least airstrikes on Syria and Iran either by us or Israel by the first week of August. Do not hold me on that I am just taking the current situation and time table as a source for what and who will do what next.

One thing I can't understand, obviously the Lebanese gov't wasn't looking for a fight with Isreal, it was Hezbolla (due to the fact that the Lebanese military isn't joining in on the fray), so why isn't the Lebanese gov't hunting down the Hezbolla, put an end to them launching rockets at Isreal, and end this whole ordeal.

Just doesn't make sense to me.

This thread is about Greater Israel, and how the current war/conflict is a bid to acheive that, not who's right and who's wrong.

Originally posted by Keyhole
so why isn't the Lebanese gov't hunting down the Hezbolla, put an end to them launching rockets at Isreal, and end this whole ordeal.

Just doesn't make sense to me.

This is the real shame,people who have never actually been in Lebanon will always have problems understanding this,

You have to take a drive through the streets to see.

Roads are still pockmarked from bombs,cracked from tanks rolling through inadequately strengthened tarmac or concrete

10ft deep craters are still evident adjacent to still standing,but damaged appartment blocks.

areas of road are not marked/have no roadsigns which causes accidents at junctions etc

My friends appartment block is still cracked and hole ridden from a bomb that blew up outside..killing her father on the third floor

She has tried to form a residents commitee to generate funds to hire a contracter to repair the superficial scars at least but it all comes down to one thing

Money!!!!
They simply just don,t have the money to efficiently fund their army or police

THERE IT IS FOLKS!!

Lebanon used to be the Metropolis of the Middle East..Rivalling Paris for its beauty and culture...WAS!!

Until 1982..

It has never recovered from the damage and destruction..Both politically and economically

People work long hours for low salary with the strangest attitude to life...

THEY ENJOY IT!! they know they are never going to become rich so they put all their power into making a few bucks to buy a house and a car.. thats it..

You,d be suprised how many don,t actually have furniture..TV , more than a couple of changes of clothes..instead they choose to socialise..sitting with each other outside restaurants..coffee houses etc..

They were only just starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel

Tourism was going to be the best ever in a long time.expecting to bring in$4.4 billion dollars

That would have gone a long way to securing a future but alas now it will be closer to $4.4 dollars now

Maybe there is a conspiracy in that itself..to destroy Lebanons hope of restoring itself.. to keep it down???

WHOOPS yeah sorry.. it,s a tad off topic.. sorry guys..

GREATER ISRAEL.. not any more.. it,'ll maybe gather more lands and riches. but in a lot of peoples eyes it has now shrunk from greatness

[edit on 20-7-2006 by AGENT_T]

Originally posted by AGENT_T
They were only just starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel

Tourism was going to be the best ever in a long time.expecting to bring in$4.4 billion dollars

That would have gone a long way to securing a future but alas now it will be closer to $4.4 dollars now

Maybe there is a conspiracy in that itself..to destroy Lebanons hope of restoring itself.. to keep it down???

WHOOPS yeah sorry.. it,s a tad off topic.. sorry guys..

GREATER ISRAEL.. not any more.. it,'ll maybe gather more lands and riches. but in a lot of peoples eyes it has now shrunk from greatness

[edit on 20-7-2006 by AGENT_T]

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My sentiments exactly.

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[edit on 20/7/2006 by Mirthful Me]

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Mine also

Thanks guys.

I,m always so appalled when people take a view of a situation in a country so far away,relying on the propaganda ridden media and never setting their eyes on real life destruction of lives and property.

PIEMAN.. A picture could not present so perfect a point as those you posted

The Lebanese military is woefully incapable of finding the funds to hunt down Comparitively well armed and organised terrorists like Hezbollah and Hamas.

What people don,t realise that Lebanon,s survival was tourism based
People were happy to go to a country where they could sample a wide range of cultures..all relatively peacefully co-existing..Now it,s all destroyed forever now.

Wheras ''greater'' Israel has enjoyed the funding and the protection of the west...Lebanon has had to endure it,s big bad neighbours through compromise and diplomacy.

It,s like the really nice kid at school who has to hand over his dinner money to the bigger bullying kids for fear of a beating and no-one there is ready to stick up for him.

Israel too is a beautiful place.
A drive from Tel aviv to eilat will show you a huge differing culture and landscape.
From huge Cities through backwater towns to rolling red mountains and beautiful clear seas.

But here the problem lies,
People label an entire country from the government it endures.
If you have never visited a place how can you expect to feel the natural bond that exists between it and it,s neighbors

Lebanese do not hate Israelis
Israelis do not hate Lebanese
There are anti-war campaigns happening RIGHT NOW in both countries

It,s the covert operations and the governing bodys agendas that generate that propaganda

Unfortunately Israel has a new kid in town that want to go in the history books.

I was actually at my doctor friends clinic here in Bur dubai when they anounced the death of Sheik maktoum over the tv in january

I remember it only too well because they also announced that Ariel Sharon had another stroke..You would not believe the look of sorrow on the faces of the people there also.
Suprisingly not for the death of their sheik but for the health of a well respected Israeli
My friend explained that this meant the beginning of instability in the middle east.

My love for Israel and my friends there will not change.But my hatred for the regime is growing with every needless civillian death in Lebanon..

As one better informed member here posted elsewhere
''where is the great Israeli special force that we saw in Entebbe''
Wouldn,t they have been a better choice to root out The Hezbollah??

My only hope is that ''Greater'' Israel will still be standing if their appalling indiscriminate bombings pull Iran and Syria into the forefront of the conflict
Then I will have to worry for another group of good friends