Dreams of GREATER Israel coming to Life

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posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 10:46 AM
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Israel in Lebanon: Pushing Out Arabs

Lebanese PM Fuad Siniora says Israel’s premeditated attack will “push Lebanon back 50 years.” I believe Mr. Siniora has underestimated—the attacks will push Lebanon back more than a hundred years to a time before electricity, modern plumbing, water and sewage treatment.

The concept of Greater Israel is not an anti-semitic contrivance, but a well-established fact. For the Likudites, it includes the West Bank and Gaza, and for the Betar and Revisionist Zionist fascists it encompasses all of Palestine, Jordan, the Sinai, and part of Syria (see this map).



However, in 1918, Ben-Gurion described the boundaries of Israel as follows:

"to the north, the Litani river [in southern Lebanon], to the northeast, the Wadi ‘Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into Sinai at least up to Wadi al-’Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan… "

Here is another map, submitted by the Word Zionmist Organization after World War I. Note how the Zionists have long coveted a big chunk of Lebanon, all the way to Sidon, including the long sought after Litani River.

In the 1950s, Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharett recorded in his diaries that Moshe Dayan’s plan for the control of the Litani River was to “‘enter Lebanon, occupy the relevant territory’ then the ‘territory south of the Litani will be annexed to Israel and everything will fall into place’” (see Ronald Bleier’s Israel’s Appropriation of Arab Water: An Obstacle to Peace, Middle East Labor Bulletin, Spring 1994).

Now is it just me, or are Fa$cist Zionsts using Israel to do precisly that described above? Bombing the crap out of Southern Lebanon, forcing the residents to run away, slowly moving in the IDF armies to create a so-called "Buffer Zone".

Interesting ey?




posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 10:54 AM
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not really, no, far from interesting, or even correct.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 10:59 AM
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I think I finally get it.

Anything to do with Israel or the U.S. = bad
Anyone who attacks Israel or the U.S. = good

You've finally opened my eyes Souljah. EVERY single one of your post have been along that theme, but this one.....this one really helped me to understand.

I have a US flag here, anyone got a match?



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I have a US flag here, anyone got a match?

I got a Lighter.



CX

posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I have a US flag here, anyone got a match?

I got a Lighter.



Souljah i have a question if thats ok? Am i reading your above post wrong or are you doing exactly the opposite to what you promote in your signature?

How on earth is setting light to flags helping to fight hate?

Just found it a bit hypocritical thats all.

CX.

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posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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Wow, Souljah. You brought the bucket of excrement and your own stick. Impressive. Well, at least its a thread you started.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by CX
Souljah i have a question if thats ok? Am i reading your above post wrong or are you doing exactly the opposite to what you promote in your signature?

A flag is a Piece of Cloth.

I am not setting any People or Conflicts on Fire.

And by the way, it was only an answer to the provocation - member ThatsJustWeird brought the Flag up, not me.

Sadly nobody even mentioned the topic of this Thread.

Any Takers?




posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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Well sure I can bring up the topic.. like say.. there never was a nation by the name of Palestine. There was however a empire by the name of the Ottomans, and they had a region kind of like a state here in the U.S. by the name Palestine. The Palestinians have absolutly no claim to the land except for the fact their great grandparents used to have a house there. Also Syria, Jordan and Iraq where actually created by the British empire, Lebanon by the French and Palestine was drawn in but never established, as they decided to create an Israel instead.

So.. what exactly are you trying to get at? You think the Israelis are trying to take over Lebanon in a imperialistic fashion? Forcing Arabs out to move what? Arab Jews, European Jews, Semetic Jews.. the Jews do not define by race but nationality then by religion, but not by race. I think you have a poor understanding of the current events taking place in the ME right now, you are blinded by hate.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Well sure I can bring up the topic.. like say.. there never was a nation by the name of Palestine. There was however a empire by the name of the Ottomans, and they had a region kind of like a state here in the U.S. by the name Palestine. The Palestinians have absolutly no claim to the land except for the fact their great grandparents used to have a house there. Also Syria, Jordan and Iraq where actually created by the British empire, Lebanon by the French and Palestine was drawn in but never established, as they decided to create an Israel instead.

Judging by your statement, maybe the Americans should return the Stolen Lands to the Native Indians also, like the Israeli-Jews have been given their "Ancient" Land back? What Holy right was given to the Israeli-Jews then, to get this Piece of Land then?

And the Palestinians have more roots to the REAL Jewish population, then the majority of the Israelis living there now, who migrated from all over the World.



So.. what exactly are you trying to get at? You think the Israelis are trying to take over Lebanon in a imperialistic fashion? Forcing Arabs out to move what? Arab Jews, European Jews, Semetic Jews.. the Jews do not define by race but nationality then by religion, but not by race. I think you have a poor understanding of the current events taking place in the ME right now, you are blinded by hate.

Not take over the Entire Lebanon - you see the Maps; just the southern Part, with the Water ofcourse, just like they carved up Gaza Strip and West Bank, by keeping Water reserves for themselves, and leaving none for Palestinians.

Read the original Post for further Information.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 01:46 PM
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~~

that's one version...

i think is based on the 'biblical boundaries' of some ancient lands that the 12 tribes had some dominion over.

there's another version of a Greater Israel state
~ i don't know if its a dream of the zionists, or orther radical sects,
but the fantasised Greater Israel is only bounded by the Nile to the south
and the Euphrates to the north...

[[i guess it's(theoretically) after the defeat of the Gog-Magog masses of warriors
AND
i guess that it's after the(believers) messiah returns & sets up that kingdom-monarchy]]
In any event. some Jewish factions/sects subscribe to the greater-israel vision
and will devote their lives to see it become a reality

see this page and scroll down to the various maps & explainations of the ME maps
www.globalsecurity.org...



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:10 PM
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soulah..at least you bring documentation to the thread unlike...


not really, no, far from interesting, or even correct.


thats a show stopper

funny how all this info about iranian involment comes to light.....sounds like a familiar bedtime story retold with new villian...iraq did it..er i mean iran, iran did it...

all this is just another way in which AMERIKA can and will become more and more invovled in the middle east.....

totalitarian : Designating a form of government in which one party exercises absolute control over all spheres of human life and opposition is outlawed.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:15 PM
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I don't buy into this expansionist empire bit. However, if you change your argument to "US secretly aiding war in Israel to bring about Armageddon", I think you'd have better luck. Do you know that %22 of Americans believe that Jesus will return to earth within the next 50 years, and that this fighting is just fulfilling prophecy? That there are evangelicals advocating aid to Israel just to bring this about? If you want to bash what's going on, try looking at the real enemy. You are just distracting from the truth.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by hogtie
Do you know that %22 of Americans believe that Jesus will return to earth within the next 50 years

If you asked that question 65 or so years ago I can guarentee you the percentage would have been higher. That number is probably the lowest it's ever been.


That there are evangelicals advocating aid to Israel just to bring this about?

Source?


If you want to bash what's going on, try looking at the real enemy.

So tell us, who is the real enemy?



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:56 PM
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Flag, is to piece of cloth
as Middle East, is to a piece of dirt.


Maybe, while you have that lighter out..You could clear all the people out, and burn Jerusalem to the ground.

Whats the difference?



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
If you asked that question 65 or so years ago I can guarentee you the percentage would have been higher. That number is probably the lowest it's ever been.


It may be lower. I don't know about that. But that number has never been as politically active and powerful as it has now. I'll site the sources later this evening when I'm at my stuff. There are some more stats that are just as scary, and keep in mind that the %22 are just people that think it will be in 50 years. The people that believe it will happen sometime is much higher.


Source?


Here's just one. www.religionlink.org...

Also, google "evangelical aid to Israel"


So tell us, who is the real enemy?

Religion is the real enemy. You have one side that wants to convert the world by fire, and you have another side that thinks the end days are upon us, so see no need in viewing past the next 50 years when setting social and foreign policy. Google "rapture clock" and "doomsday clock". There is no middle ground between these two, and when you add the fact that both sides have nuclear weapons and the percieved moral authority of god, there aren't many different outcomes that can occour.



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posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by hogtie

Religion is the real enemy. You have one side that wants to convert the world by fire, and you have another side that thinks the end days are upon us, so see no need in viewing past the next 50 years when setting social and foreign policy. Google "rapture clock" and "doomsday clock". There is no middle ground between these two, and when you add the fact that both sides have nuclear weapons and the percieved moral authority of god, there aren't many different outcomes that can occour.


Religion is a tool, nothing more. It's what's in the heart of the believer that makes it good or bad. I'm not saying there aren't those that Teach religion in a harmful way, but religion itself is a tool. It can do nothing on it's own.

The Jews that believe that eradicating the muslims from the holy land are misusing their religion for racial, bigotted, and political reasons The Muslims that ingage in Jihad, are perverting their religion to fit political and social beliefs aswell. Neither of these religions, when practiced as a tool for personal growth and spritual calmness, would alow a person to believe that violence is the way.

I don't practice any religion and don't agree with what is taught by many organized religions but I also understand how faith can be so important for some people. It's when it's forcibly removed from society that something worse can be put in it's place.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:24 PM
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This is reactionaryism. Israel has sent a small ground force into souther lebanon, and has stated it has no interests in occupying lebanon. IF they wanted a greater zion, then they wouldn't've left lebanon in the first place, nor the Sinai, nor evacuated Gaza, nor started building a security wall, thus setting and freezing their border. Israel has already demonstrated that it can, if it wants, occupy the territory under 'greater zion', that the arabs even in an alliance can't stop them, and the UN and international community has also shown that it has no interests in stopping them if they did so.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:30 PM
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That Theory of yours.......is just SO full of poo
btw,you heard? thes hisbalalalala shot at an arabien city (nazeret)
killed 3 people, 2 of thos are children,woulded about 70 other poeple.
I just don't get how stupid they are,shooting at thiere so called "brothren"

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posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:43 PM
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It is an interesting theory, ive heard plenty about the idea of the Kingdom Of Israel. Many will tell you, that before the messiah comes, Israel must be restored to its borders during Soloman's time...Souljah has proved a map.

Many Christians say it has to happen before Jesus can return.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jewish_hammer
That Theory of yours.......is just SO full of poo
btw,you heard? thes hisbalalalala shot at an arabien city (nazeret)
killed 3 people, 2 of thos are children,woulded about 70 other poeple.
I just don't get how stupid they are,shooting at thiere so called "brothren"


WHAT?? you mean as stupid as Israel shooting up canadians and Innocent Lebanese civillians

How is that going to justify your actions??

I was talking only half an hour ago to a bunch of Brits and guess what??? THey have just become anti-Israel due to this extreme action against a small group of terrorists

I said before and I,ll say again.. Israel has everything to lose going in heavy handed..

You are supposed to have a highly capable secret service..Why not use them to infiltrate. position and capture the real terrorists without sacrificing innocent lebanese??

Now they have become worse than the Hezbollah with these cowardly attacks on women and children...whilst warning the lebanese forces not to resist as they destroy their country..

I am getting more sickened as the days go by

At least you know what to expect from terrorists..

This is SUPPOSED to be a well trained army...
Well they are failing their duty miserably


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