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More masonic paedophiles than you can shake a stick at!

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posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:32 PM
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meh masons when will people ever learn. I like the fact that you guys sit around all day guffing off the masons while failing to realize the own evils in your lifes... like the fact youll sit around guffing people off. Judge not lest ye be judged?> ami correct?

The masons are nothing special their just a recruiting ground for better more powerful groups, basically think of this the masons are a fightclub. thats all a bunch of men get together and do some basic mundane men things "like fight" or get together and feel important with brotherly love and fraternity or whatever you want, you see the masons play on every mans ambition whatever you want to be and whatever you seek the masons have it and offer it to you thats why its so easy to get sucked in or to want to be one. But really the purpose of the fightclub is not to get together and just fight the true purpose if project mayhem, a seperate and more sinister oraganization altogether that operates with and within but still sperate fromt he fightclub, all the members of project mayhem come from the fightclub and thats the real purpose of the fightclub, not the fighting but project mayhem. So yeah i mean in every group theirs going to be bad eggs as for your whole pedophile thing ill tell you that paul bernardo, and karl hamlmoka the people who raped 12 montreal girls, well paul bernardo was a mason, and his fellow masons knew about the rapes and they did their best to cover it up. Just like jack the ripper thats true jack the ripper was actually 3 masons.
But like in any group theirs bound to be bad eggs its just unfoutunate that for th emasons the majority of these eggs are bad.
Basically masons are the pigs, and the rest of the world are pigs too the only thing that makes the masons special is that they are pigs that make sure the rest of the pigs get in line for the slaughter barn




posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:38 PM
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Please provide factual evidence OF EVEN 1 FREEMASON ever being arrested and found guilty of child abuse/pedophilia.

It wont happen.

Pull all the google stats you want, its totally wrong.

I know 1000s of Masons all which are stand up guys and would never ever hurt a child.

SHOW ME SOME PROOF and we can talk. Otherwise its conspiracy theory crap with no backing.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by laiguana
The masons are entirely anti-equality why else would they dedicate a group to a select few with specific criterias?


Our goal is to be an organization of good, peacible, law-abiding, charitable citizens. So, yeah... we define a few criteria to meet that goal.

But 'select few'? We don't really select our members... we don't recruit.

They select their own membership.

And besides, speaking for my own experience alone... I've never seen a prospective member voted against. How select can we be...?



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Trinityman
I had rather hoped freemasons would keep off this thread, and see what happened. But Hobbes you've gone and spoiled it



Eeek... my hive mind device thingy must be on the fritz, again.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
In america, because american's are racist, there was and still is attempts to keep blacks and other races out of the regular lodges, but none of that is permited by the bylaws of the organization.


Oh, come on now! Party foul!

How is saying something like that any better than saying any of the other false accusations that are being slung around here?

For the record, my home lodge has a higher percentage of 'whites' to 'blacks' than our host city. We'd probably have even more, but we can only admit those that apply. My area has a strong Prince Hall presence, and many folks with higher levels of melanin choose to petition those lodges. And I wouldn't be surprised if a few avoided the other lodges because some guy told them that they'd never get in, anyways.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 03:14 PM
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You masons are so *profanity removed* *insult removed*your blinded by your own lies i love how *insult removed* and *insult removed*t you are and how youll fight tooth and nail to protect your ignorance. You want proof, my friends dad is a lawyer his name is Rob seagle you can look him up on google his son is alex seagle one of my best friends, and he was the lawyer a very prodominate one at that (also a mason) who got karla halmoko to testify against paul bernardo(a mason) because after the whole "masons trying to protect a raper and serial killer speal out of the montreal and toronto lodges of ontario" they decided to cut all ties with paul bernardo or as you could say they sent him up the river on a boat of *profanity removed*, just like they often do with so many of their members after they try to protcet them but they get too far in so they cut ties with them and set them out to dry...usually die.
Hmm who else is a famous mason uhmm oh yeah albert *profanity removed* pike the founder of the KKK and one of the biggest *profanity removed* burners and hangers in the southern parts... oh but masons are so good and perfect yeah ok right.
Hmm who else oh yes my grandfather Joseif Morgan a professor in the universtiy os saskatchewan was a mason and also a member of other german secret societies during world war two. He was also the person who came up with the original formula for the polio vaccine, he has a thank you letter from the scientist credited for the discovery for the cure of polio. But my grandfather is a Morgan of one of the predominate mason famillies, yes while my grandfather was a very nice respectable man. His experiments and cruelty to animals where almost beast like, you see pictures of PETA where cats are wired up to machines nad monkies with their brains wired up and chickens getting slaughtered and left to bleed to deaht, wel yes this is what my grandfather did on a daily routine all in the name of science for the university of saskatoon. Not unlike what most masons due to other living individuals whether it be scientific, political, law realted or even educational whatever feild their in.
Oh yeah who else is a mason ummm lemme see well thousands of people i know all good honest men, but have a histroy of violence, sexual mis conduct, mischief, theifery scam artistery , sexual abuse, and murder.
Hell my girlfriends great great grandfather was Sir Isaac Brock one of the three original founders of masonry in Canada, along with sir john a macdonald and either mackenzie or wolfe i forget. maybe both.
And brock was a racist murdering drunken red neck , but he was also an upstanding repectable man that is written in the history books as a hero.
I know alot of masons their all "good men" but their deeds are not so good.
Im not anti masonic because i have alot of relatives who are masons im only listing the dead ones not the present ones.

Sure you masons teach equality fairness and justice, but you also teach for the greater good, and that greater good is the greater good of masonry and mason kind not man kind.

[edit on 19-7-2006 by ZeddicusZulZorander]



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Cug
What does Google think??

Results 1 - 100 of about 1,590 for freemason pedophiles. (0.88 seconds)

Results 1 - 100 of about 685,000 for christian pedophiles. (0.73 seconds)

Hummmmmmmmmmmm....


No offense. But you think in a VERY two dimensional fashion.
Open up your mind and type this into Google:
"American Civilian Pedophiles" or
"American Civilian Child Rapists" or
"American Civilian Murderers"

...I'm pretty sure you realize by now that the human race is evil- not any sect that some of us good people chose to join. There will always be evil people everywhere... from school teachers to crop dusters- everywhere.

And also, if you knew anything about search engines you would know that there is a very little chance(like 0.001%) that all 1,500+ results were about just ONE Masonic pedophile. Same news story, different news reporting site. But that is a low chance to think all 1,500+ pages are of the same guy. But the chance increasin greatly when you increase that number. All 1,500+ pages could have been about 50 different Masons in all ranging from 1900-2006 for all you know. Did you bother to READ more than 2 results? Probably not, and neither will I bacause I do not need too because I am not 2D. Did you also think that even maybe one result was the site of a News reporting website that posted a story about pedophiles one the same page of a story about a mason story. One of the two could have even been a hyperlink.

I might believe the Christian return though.... Christians are insane.
And btw, I am not a Mason.

[edit on 19-7-2006 by daisaison_x]



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by Orderoftheblazingsun
You masons are so #ing retarded your blinded by your own lies i love how guliable and ignorant you are and how youll fight tooth and nail to protect your ignorance.

Woah there haus! Take a pill, count to ten with deep breaths, and relax. You seem to be missing the point of the discussion, as your grammatically suffering post seems to illustrate. Men are not without sin. Any scholar or person painting themselves a theologian could tell you this. And who will argue? The question arising here is not whether or not men are inherently evil, but whether or not the body of Freemasonry is evil.


You want proof, my friends dad is a lawyer his name is Rob seagle you can look him up on google his son is alex seagle one of my best friends, and he was the lawyer a very prodominate one at that (also a mason) who got karla halmoko to testify against paul bernardo(a mason) because after the whole "masons trying to protect a raper and serial killer speal out of the montreal and toronto lodges of ontario" they decided to cut all ties with paul bernardo or as you could say they sent him up the river on a boat of #, just like they often do with so many of their members after they try to protcet them but they get too far in so they cut ties with them and set them out to dry...usually die.

An oath of brotherhood may not mean much to some, but to others it is strong as oak. When a brother has done something stupid, you go to bat for him; attempt to help him and see the error of his actions. If, after this point, that brother refuses to understand logic or reason, he is left on his own. You cannot help someone who will not help themselves.


Hmm who else is a famous mason uhmm oh yeah albert #ing pike the founder of the KKK and one of the biggest 'n-word' burners and hangers in the southern parts... oh but masons are so good and perfect yeah ok right.
Hmm who else oh yes my grandfather Joseif Morgan a professor in the universtiy os saskatchewan was a mason and also a member of other german secret societies during world war two. He was also the person who came up with the original formula for the polio vaccine, he has a thank you letter from the scientist credited for the discovery for the cure of polio. But my grandfather is a Morgan of one of the predominate mason famillies, yes while my grandfather was a very nice respectable man. His experiments and cruelty to animals where almost beast like, you see pictures of PETA where cats are wired up to machines nad monkies with their brains wired up and chickens getting slaughtered and left to bleed to deaht, wel yes this is what my grandfather did on a daily routine all in the name of science for the university of saskatoon. Not unlike what most masons due to other living individuals whether it be scientific, political, law realted or even educational whatever feild their in.

You seem to have a pretty famous lineage, and granted, the members you go on to list do not have the most reputable records, but let us ponder something for a moment, if you will. Out of literally thousands of members and more joining every day, I'm sure that anyone could find the bad apples, so to speak. It isn't hard when you try. I would suggest a basic understanding of the principles and dogma of the Freemason creedo before you go attacking the body. Individual members can be understood, but this is in no way a representation of the body. How many Catholic priests do you hear about almost daily now, involved in some sort of heinous crime? Does this mean that the current Catholic church, or rather, the concept of Catholocism itself is responsible? Granted, I have my issues with this particular sect of Christianity, but reason is reason.


Oh yeah who else is a mason ummm lemme see well thousands of people i know all good honest men, but have a histroy of violence, sexual mis conduct, mischief, theifery scam artistery , sexual abuse, and murder.

Honestly, if you truly knew "thousands" of Masons, you wouldn't have the opinion that you do. I am not a Mason myself, but I have had the pleasure of knowing at least eight. Not all of them were the most benevolent of people, nor did they all have celestial dispositions, but they were all truly good men.


Sure you masons teach equality fairness and justice, but you also teach for the greater good, and that greater good is the greater good of masonry and mason kind not man kind.

Whatever gave you this idea? Truly, if the concept of countless dollars in member given donations to needy charities, pro-bono work in various fields, and an overall desire to do good in a community is a "greater good of mason kind, and not mankind", then I believe that I would prefer the ideals of "mason kind".



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 05:37 PM
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I just wanted to add a bit of advice. Nothing personal, but perhaps the Fight Club movie should be removed from your DVD player and set to the side for a while.....



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by sigung86
Just wanted to post the following thought, in order to support the previous post:
Results 1 - 10 of about 199 for Edelweiss Pirate pedophile. (0.30 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 108 for Edelweiss Pirate paedophilia. (0.19 seconds)


OMG Edelweiss is a Pedophile. It says so on Google I saw it with my own eyes. I can't believe we allow a known pedophile on the forum board. Next thing you know Mason's will be here also.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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eden kaia i agree with you that yes, not al men are without sin. And i would agree with you that yes the body of freemasonry might not appear evil to the members in it. The thing is, that while people in freemasonry may not view their actions as evil someone else might.

If you want some evidence of evil masonry take a look at north america it was the place of the biggest genocide known to mankind, the first settler here where masons and knights templar, not christopher colomubus they wherent the first people here, but the first settlers fromt he new world. They came and literally slaughtered off a large majority of the native populas to create their "new world" for their "new world" order.
While fighting this secret war they kept the rest of the world douped in ignorance to think it was flat, it wasnt until they had successfuly whiped out the majority of the native populas aside from a few raoming bands in hiding that they finally decided to let the rest of the world join in on their little secret , and thus made up the story of christopher coloumbus.
So right their within that fabric i dont think that a group that would willing slaughter a whole race of people can be so good and pristine as they decided to spew off about themselves.

I dont need to go inside of a meeting hall and listen to some gibberish to see the works of freemasonry and what it does and what it has done.
I already know all too well what goes on their, and i must say all masons play in to their own deception.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Orderoftheblazingsun
I dont need to go inside of a meeting hall and listen to some gibberish to see the works of freemasonry and what it does and what it has done.


That's like saying you don't need to study history to know what has happened in the past.

If you're going to rely on just what you hear, you're not going to know very much and what you do know would be very inaccurate. Certainly not a very logical line of thinking.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 07:13 PM
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lets start with the site and their verifiable sources.

Stephen Knight proven fraud almost 30 +years ago.

David Icke Nuff said

Freemasonrywatch nuff said.

Now for some fun...




Results 1 - 10 of about 685 for paedophile cross dressing Roman Catholic lesbian priests.

Results 1 - 10 of about 388 for paedophile cross dressing Roman Catholic homosexual gay nuns.


does the name necros ring any bells?



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 09:19 PM
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Someone tell me, aren't masonic rituals guarded with secrecy? So how would anyone -factually- counter any form of speculation regarding these rituals? If not, I would like a -factual- account of masonic rituals, from past to present. And I'm surprised people still deny that Masonry and the KKK had ties. The foundation of being a Mason is this: complete disregard of morals and the law.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 09:42 PM
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by: Edelweiss Pirate

The Masons use child abuse to control and compromise those it wants under its control.

It's called Blackmail and by some incredible galactic coincidence it happens to be a Mason coined word.. How odd!


REPLY: What is odd is your (crap-ola) beliefs and rants; made with no research whatsoever:

Blackmail - Its origin had nothing to do with the post office. Mail in this sense was an old Anglo-Norse term for rent or tribute. During the time of border warfare between England and Scotland, freebooters extorted payment from farmers of the area in exchange for protection and immunity from plunder. As the inhabitants were generally very poor, the tribute was paid in "black mail," that is, grain, meat, or the lowest coinage (copper), as opposed to "white mail," which was silver. In time the word took on the meaning of any payment extorted by threat of exposure of an incriminating secret.


[edit on 19-7-2006 by zappafan1]



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 09:50 PM
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posted by: Orderoftheblazingsun

Just like jack the ripper thats true jack the ripper was actually 3 masons.


REPLY: Do some research bud. your allegations were proven false many years ago, but you prefer to believe what is spouted in movies:

"Every allegation of Masonic involvement in the Ripper murders is based entirely on a story that Stephen Knight claims he was told by Joseph Sickert. But in The Sunday Times of London, on June 18, 1978, Sickert said of this story: "It was a hoax; I made it all up" and it was "a whopping fib" and pure invention. All the evidence confirms this. "Those parts of Mr. Sickert�s story which can be tested have been shown ... to be untrue." (See Rumbelow�s Jack the Ripper: The Complete Casebook, pages 212, 213; and Begg, Fido, and Skinner�s The Jack the Ripper A to Z, pages 411, 412)

Donald Rumbelow is one of the most respected researchers of the Ripper murders. Commenting on Stephen Knight�s book that identifies the murders as a Masonic conspiracy, he said: "Where's the evidence?� The answer, of course, is that there isn't any. . . . The book becomes more and more frustrating as one searches for hard facts. . . . Whichever way you look, there is not a shred of evidence to back up Knight's theory." (The Complete Casebook, pages 207, 209, 212)



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 09:58 PM
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"my grandfather Joseif Morgan ...... was also the person who came up with the original formula for the polio vaccine, he has a thank you letter from the scientist credited for the discovery for the cure of polio. His experiments and cruelty to animals where almost beast like, you see pictures of PETA where cats are wired up to machines nad monkies with their brains wired up and chickens getting slaughtered and left to bleed to deaht, wel yes this is what my grandfather did on a daily routine all in the name of science.


REPLY: And tens of thousands of people can thank him with their lives for those experiments.

Maybe we should replace the animals with PETA members?



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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Yeah and thousands of junkies can thank the nazis for their experiments on humans for inventing crystal meth, kethamphetamine and crack coc aine. Doesn't mean its a good think, also my grandfathers research was on making super soldiers actually he was lookign for a way to literally make people resistant to pain.

I know it sounds odd but, he was literally doing like some Umbrella resident evil type # right out of the university of saskatoon.
The guise for this was to inject animals with this formula so that they could work beyond exhaustion but really as i found out from my grandmother he had ideas to sell it to the military so they could inject soldiers so that they wouldnt feel any pain and if they suffered major wounds like loss of limbs would continue to fight.
I think i heard something recently about somebody continuing his experiments to keep the human heart beating and brain functioning even after it had bled to death or something i dont really quit understand the whole nature of the experiments but essential he wanted to make super soldiers.

Also muck tard i would like to note that not even the brainwashed masons who take part in these rituals really truly know what their all about until they reach the highest ranks and even then their still kept in secrecy.



posted on Jul, 20 2006 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
I cited Prince Hall to counter his idea that blacks have entered Masonry only recently. Hall became a Master Mason during the 18th century, not very long after the first Grand Lodge was founded

But surely you can see that talking about Prince Hall to defend's masonry as not being racist is a little off, no? I mean, Hall was allowed to enter masonry, and other blacks were allowed to enter masonry, so long as it was in all black lodges, called Prince Hall because of this. I mean, its not a stellar moment for Regular Masonry.


aristocrat
Please provide factual evidence OF EVEN 1 FREEMASON ever being arrested and found guilty of child abuse/pedophilia.

? Ketland would be the most recent one.


Page 4 of the article
Former Birmingham police officer Raymond Ketland, 66, of Nant y Coed, Glan Conwy, became involved with the girl after noticing sexual activity on Llanddulas beach.
He admitted two charges of sexual activity with a minor, taking indecent photographs of a child and facilitating a child sex offence, and was jailed for two and a half years.
Ketland had become involved partly through a fellow Mason.

Brought to our attention by Edelweiss Pirate, at that.


Hobbes
How is saying something like that any better than saying any of the other false accusations that are being slung around here?

What did I say that was factually in error? Did or did not masonry, despite its rules, bar blacks from entering white lodges? America, especially in the past, was extremely racist. Masonry is a cross section of the country its settled in, thus, the socially acceptable racism that was abundant in those days, was just as firmly entrenched within the lodges as it was on the streets.


Orderoftheblazingsun
If you want some evidence of evil masonry take a look at north america it was the place of the biggest genocide known to mankind, the first settler here where masons and knights templar, not christopher colomubus they wherent the first people here, but the first settlers fromt he new world. They came and literally slaughtered off a large majority of the native populas to create their "new world" for their "new world" order.

Lets just be realistic hear. Masonry can't be held responsible for the native americans dying off in north america from disease and war. And its certainly not a demonstrable fact that the masons and templars or anyone like that was in north america from europe before columbus or the vikings.

So right their within that fabric i dont think that a group that would willing slaughter a whole race of people can be so good and pristine as they decided to spew off about themselves.

Then lets be fair and say that all americans are evil, because it was america that did that. And also all spanish people are evil, because the spaniards did that, along with all protestants, and any irish too.



laiguna
aren't masonic rituals guarded with secrecy? So how would anyone -factually- counter any form of speculation regarding these rituals?

Weren't you just saying that the rituals involve illegal acts??

And I'm surprised people still deny that Masonry and the KKK had ties.

Who denied that they have ties? There were nearly 3 million KKKers at its height, the KKK had ties with everyone. Far tighter were its ties to various protestant and baptist churches than masonry. What is disputed is, was Pike a member of the KKK, there is no evidence that actually supports him having been in it.


The foundation of being a Mason is this: complete disregard of morals and the law.

So lets get this straight, you have no idea what they do in their rituals, and no information about their actions, but everything that we do have states that their members are specifically required to comply with the law of the land they are in AND puts morality as the object of its instruction, but you think that it disregard's morals and the law. Just because, well why exactly?



posted on Jul, 20 2006 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Orderoftheblazingsun
eden kaia i agree with you that yes, not al men are without sin. And i would agree with you that yes the body of freemasonry might not appear evil to the members in it. The thing is, that while people in freemasonry may not view their actions as evil someone else might.

The only way that this could be true is if the members of Freemasonry were actually practicing evil things. In which case, the members would be aware that they are evil. Your argument thus far has been that it is the Freemason members that are evil, with sexual acts, experimentation and whatnot. Now the members are just dupes, and the organization is evil? I would ask for you to back up some of this with fact, but I suppose the first thing is to ask you to make up your mind.


If you want some evidence of evil masonry take a look at north america it was the place of the biggest genocide known to mankind, the first settler here where masons and knights templar, not christopher colomubus they wherent the first people here, but the first settlers fromt he new world. They came and literally slaughtered off a large majority of the native populas to create their "new world" for their "new world" order.

Please tell me that this rant is not inspired by the "angelic" predictions of John Dee? I think I've gone into that particular con more times than I would care to repeat. There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that the Knights Templar or the Freemasons were even here before Leif Erikson or Columbus, let alone slaughtering thousands. Also, did it never cross your mind that such a mass genocide by foreigners would have been somehow noted by the American Indians?


While fighting this secret war they kept the rest of the world douped in ignorance to think it was flat, it wasnt until they had successfuly whiped out the majority of the native populas aside from a few raoming bands in hiding that they finally decided to let the rest of the world join in on their little secret , and thus made up the story of christopher coloumbus.

The world was though to be flat because it had yet been unexplored completely, and when ships would sail off into the distance and disappear to the eye, it was believed that they fell off of the side of the earth. The concept of a gravitational pull and a spinning axis were far off dreams. Aside from the observations of certain "heretics" of the time, of course. Are you saying then that Galileo was a Mason who had "turned?" Telling the public of the "truth" of a round earth before the Masons and the Knights were ready? It must be for this reason that he was penalized by the Church and state!


So right their within that fabric i dont think that a group that would willing slaughter a whole race of people can be so good and pristine as they decided to spew off about themselves.

I would normally agree with you, that is of course, if these statements I've just quoted werent complete and utter b.s.


I dont need to go inside of a meeting hall and listen to some gibberish to see the works of freemasonry and what it does and what it has done.
I already know all too well what goes on their, and i must say all masons play in to their own deception.

I don't need to read an instruction manual to know how to operate a backhoe. I don't need to go to school to teach advanced physics. Seeing a trend on how ridiculous this sounds? To say that you wont refer to the source to see how something is done is pretty much admitting that you would rather listen to the drivel spouted on anti-mason websites than talk to a real mason about your issues. But then, I forgot, the members of the Freemason society don't know what's really going on right? Please.



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