17 year old girl kills herself because text message told her to

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posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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In Batman Turkey, a 17 year old Girl killed herself after text messages from members of her family instructed her to do so. The messages were to the effect of "you have dishonored our family by falling in love with a boy. Kill yourself or we'll do it for you"

www.nytimes.com...


BATMAN, Turkey — For Derya, a waiflike girl of 17, the order to kill herself came from an uncle and was delivered in a text message to her cellphone. “You have blackened our name,” it read. “Kill yourself and clean our shame or we will kill you first.”

Derya said her crime was to fall for a boy she had met at school last spring. She knew the risks: her aunt had been killed by her grandfather for seeing a boy. But after being cloistered and veiled for most of her life, she said, she felt free for the first time and wanted to express her independence.


I didn't realize this was happening there. I have younger sisters, and the thought of hurting them hurts me more than I'd care to share. How could this girls's brothers be say this, knowing full well that she would do it.

If only there was a hero in Batman that could save the innocents. (sorry,
bad joke)




posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 10:26 AM
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Here's another case that is similar, also horrific.
The world is crazy.

news.bbc.co.uk...


The 25-year-old recruitment consultant was killed after she asked to marry an Afghan man - instead of marrying someone in the Pakistani family circle.


GSA

posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 10:34 AM
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Well thats the Islamic faith for you.

Honor above every thing - death to those that oppose or wish to have free will to marry / see who they wish to.

Its all about money - The young girls have to marry within a certain group because families fear losing money to a family they do not know. Thats why cousin / cousin marriges are so common in that faith. Keep it in the family.

Oh and heres a thought to ponder. Bradford UK is the worlds leading specialist hospital in treating inbred genetic abnormalities in children - Why? because so many asian families will not listen and insist on marrying relatives - The rise and rise of genetic defects is horrific. Go to a childrens ward in Bradford and you will see for yourselves what inbreeding does to a child. i pity the child but get damn angry at the stupidity of the entire asian population for carrying on this genetic suicide.

Oh and don't forget they had to do a public campaign through the NHS to raise awareness amongst asians that inbreedings bad and costs the NHS millions a year to treat - It truely is becoming a genetic cess pool with horrific future implications for the area.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 10:40 AM
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I knew about how horribly women are treated and told what to do by their male relatives, but I didn't know about the inbreeding stuff.

What a shame!



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 10:46 AM
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GSA, I recomend reading a little bit of this thread by Babloyi.
www.belowtopsecret.com...
This isn't Islamic faith, this is local custom. It's horrible and barbaric, but not Islamic. That would be like saying the lynching of black people is a Christian activity.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 10:55 AM
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Honor is useless to the dead.

I know my way of life probably isn't the best, but killing is killing.

How could you kill someone you love? No matter what they might have done, the only way I could even see that happening is if they were trying to kill me.


It's time to stop living in the dark ages, what this world needs mo' of is science.


So I got a question, lets say she accepts the challenge, her family wants to kill her, I don't know how she thinks but lets put myself in her shoes for now, I'd be depressed extremely however I don't think I'd just stand idly by and let these people kill me, if she kills them all first is her dishonor over?


or is the only way to kill yourself? (stupid)

Man my westerner mind just can't grasp their reasoning behind their ways

on that note, time for speech class


GSA

posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:10 AM
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RAS 420,
hate to be the breaker of bad news, but look world wide where honour killings occour, and who the victims are.

Buddihsts? nope. Christians? nope. Ratafarians? nope. hmm lists getting smaller here.....

Muslims? yep indeedy. Saudi, kuwait, yemen, quatar, pakistan, England, Turkey... The list goes on.

Where there is a Muslim population there is honour killings. The goverment here in the UK tried to ban forced marriges and at the same time investigated honour killings. Guess what? fell flat. Why? The muslims said its what we do - its our custom. So they backed off, and more people get killed for it.

One case here in oxofrd where a 16 year old boy was the knife man as his dad held the victim in his car seat by the seat belt around the victims throat. Victim stabbed 30 times so hard the blade broke. The reason ? the killers sister was pregnant to a man who they felt dishonoured the families ways, so the killed him.

THEN the girl involved was forced into an abortion - yes forced, and has since gone to ground and has said no more.

Honour hey? its a funny thing isnt it? better to be a killer than have a sister marry a poorer man..... Disgusting.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:11 AM
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The most amazing thing is that I see her commiting suicide out of love for the family. If she didn't kill herself, her brother would spend life in prison for doing it for her. Maybe that came into play in her decision. Maybe she felt she really had dishonored her family. If she didn't I'm sure she could have just gone away never to see them again.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:17 AM
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pfft, guess I was raised wrong, given said text msg, it'd be on like donkey kong, ya know like Manhunt







seacrest out
err lys

[edit on 18-7-2006 by Lysergic]



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by GSA
Where there is a Muslim population there is honour killings. The goverment here in the UK tried to ban forced marriges and at the same time investigated honour killings. Guess what? fell flat. Why? The muslims said its what we do - its our custom. So they backed off, and more people get killed for it.


If I've ever heard flawed logic, this is it. As I pointed out before, this is a cultural thing. Honor killings were around long before Islam ever arrived. It just happens that where the honor killings thrived, Islam spread to these same areas. THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY CONNECTED.

I'd also like to point out that Honor killing isn't limited to the Middle East. They span from the far east, to the middle east, to the west. Even oe of our own presidents (Hamilton) was killed in a duel for his own honor.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by GSA
hate to be the breaker of bad news, but look world wide where honour killings occour, and who the victims are.

Surprise! We have them in Canada. Usually involving Sihk families.

Honour killings are indeed a cultural issue, not a religious one.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:33 AM
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The Hamilton vs. Burr duel was entirely different. True those and other duels in America in the early days of the USA were for honor, but it was different.

Those were more of the *slaps in the face with a glove* "I challenge you to a duel!" type killings.

In this case we're talking about people being forced to either kill themselves or be killed by their own "close" families due to having a different belief.

Incidentally Hamilton was never President. He was Sec. of the Treasury.

I dunno... I realize other cultures have different views, but I simply can not see a family member killing another family member for any reason, especially not for "liking a boy". It's just beyond me....



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by GSA
Where there is a Muslim population there is honour killings


That may well be true but it is a stereotypical generalisation in my opinion.


"In countries where Islam is practiced, they're called honor killings, but dowry deaths and so-called crimes of passion have a similar dynamic in that the women are killed by male family members and the crimes are perceived as excusable or understandable," said Widney Brown, advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.

The practice, she said, "goes across cultures and across religions."
continues
nationalgeographic.com


sanc



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:36 AM
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Stupid people. What is with the middle east and their obsession with death? They do not seem to care for life at all, when they tell their daughter or sister to kill herself because she fell in love.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Djarums
The Hamilton vs. Burr duel was entirely different. True those and other duels in America in the early days of the USA were for honor, but it was different.

Those were more of the *slaps in the face with a glove* "I challenge you to a duel!" type killings.



Not to mention that we outlaw dueling in America, lets see if countries especially in the Middle East decided to change their ways. Also Burr was charged with murder.


GSA

posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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"Honor Killings" of Women Said
on Rise Worldwide
Reuters
April 7, 2000

Geneva - More and more women and girls are being slain in "honor killings" around the world, a U.N. human rights investigator said Friday. Asma Jahangir, a prominent Pakistani lawyer and activist who serves as U.N. rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, called for governments to prosecute the killers, usually relative of their victims.

Honor killings, in which women are slain for perceived violations of a family's moral code, have been reported in Bangladesh, Britain, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Morocco, Sweden, Turkey and Uganda, according to her annual report presented to the U.N. Commission on Human Rights. "The perpetrators of these crimes are mostly male family members of the murdered women who go unpunished or receive reduced sentences on the justification of having murdered to defend their misconceived notion of 'family honor,' " Jahangir said. "The practice of 'honor killings' is more prevalent although not limited to countries where the majority of the population is Muslim," she said in a 37-page report.

But renowned Islamic leaders and scholars have condemned the practice and said that it has no religious basis, she said. On the order of clerics, an 18-year-old woman was flogged to death in Batsail, Bangladesh for "immoral" behavior, according to her report. In Egypt, a father paraded his daughter's severed head through the streets shouting: "I avenged my honor."

"It is reported that in Pakistan around 300 women are killed every year for crimes of 'honor'," said Jahangir, who is also chairwoman of Pakistan's national human rights commission. "Only a handful of the perpetrators are arrested and most of these criminals receive only token punishment. Jahangir said she was working closely with U.N. special investigators on violence against women and on the independence of judges and lawyers to address incidents of honor killings.



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There you go. reuters news 2000.

Not my thoughts, but official thoughts. Read it and then tell me its not Muslims. Thank you.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Its the case of segragation within that religion that is worrying. Hell Alton Towers the biggest Theme Park in UK is this month holding an Asians only day whereas segragation will mean women and men will ride separately on the theme park rides. Now if thats not fuelling the fire i dont know what is. And i bet the theme park will be making a right profit that day aswell



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 12:12 PM
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This is, of course, an outrage and whether or not it is derived from Islam is immaterial. It is common in Islamic cultures and apparently tolerated by the religion.

A case in point:

service.spiegel.de...

[edit on 2006/7/18 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
If I've ever heard flawed logic, this is it. As I pointed out before, this is a cultural thing. Honor killings were around long before Islam ever arrived. It just happens that where the honor killings thrived, Islam spread to these same areas. THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY CONNECTED.


This is a logical fallacy known as “post hoc, ergo procter hoc”, Latin for: ”after this, therefore because of this.” or false cause. This happens quite commonly in causal arguments when a person attempts to draw a relationship between two completely unrelated events simply because they happen one after the other (which never happens on ATS
). For example: “Successful people have expensive clothing; hence the best way to become a success is to buy expensive clothing.” “After Elvis Presley's death the prices of oil in the US rose dramatically therefor his death is the reason was have high gas prices.” And so on.

Just a little bit of info for anyone who might be interested. Have fun with it.

As far as honor killing, I don't agree with it and I would like to think that we could move beyond the reasons for acts such as this, but when something is so deeply ingrained in a culture it is not so simple to say “don't do that, that is wrong and bad an our society doesn't do that so neither should you.” and things will change overnight it may take a couple generations.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 12:19 PM
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Freakin' savages!
How can anyone revere "honor" (and in this instance, I use that term very lightly) over family?
Look, I'm all for freedom of religion and blah blah blah, but anyone who considers the subjugation of women, or the devaluing of a person based on social (political/religious/whatever) standing;
to me...
is a savage.





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