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posted on Jul, 17 2006 @ 08:34 PM
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The Germans always wanted to take America so the US had to get back at the Germans. See WW 1 where the German leader told the Mexicans to invade the US and he told Japan to invade the US and he would and Mexico would get back their long lost lands. That had a name and I also forgot. Or was that WW 2.




posted on Jul, 17 2006 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by wildcat
Are you stupid? PEARL HARBOR! if that didnt happen we would probably be nuetral like we wanted to but its the Japs fault for us bombing them. If you Japs didnt attack us we would of never built the bomb but Hitler would and then Stalin would find it and then US will then have to build the bomb.


There is no way the US would have stayed neutral. FDR was doing everything he could to join the fight. It would have happened one way or another. It was just convenient the US allowed Japan to attack Pearl giving the gov the excuse they needed.

And what do you mean by 'you japs'?

And Deltaboy, it's funny that the history we are taught always paints the picture they want us to believe. Do you really think they will teach you the truth?
What will they teach college kids about 9-11 in a few yrs? The 'offocial story' I bet
Or will they actualy teach all side of the story and let you make up your own mind? I highly doubt it.



posted on Jul, 17 2006 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
What I did say, is it [the show] influences American people's images negatively. Which it does. And it is biased.

It was a minute long segment on a show for a few years that was abandoned after 9/11 and one one-hour special. It hasn't been doing anything for a very long time.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK

And Deltaboy, it's funny that the history we are taught always paints the picture they want us to believe. Do you really think they will teach you the truth?
What will they teach college kids about 9-11 in a few yrs? The 'offocial story' I bet
Or will they actualy teach all side of the story and let you make up your own mind? I highly doubt it.


From the way you are talking, its like you don't have a clear view of how colleges or universities educate students these days. It seems you think we are in elementary school being taught to love America, etc. You seem to think that college students are stupid, ignorant and brainwashed by our professors who have their own independent minds as do we. You believe that our professors who do research to answer their own questions as to what happened, would just lecture us on the official version of the story of 9/11?



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by wildcat
The Soviet Union did so many bad things to the middile east and why dont they hate them. I want to hear your opinions why the world hates America instead of the Russians b/c America was supposed to be the good guys with helping Europe but I hear Europeans going on about how America is bad. Well your nations wouldnt be here today if it wasnt for the US. I forgot the name of the thing that the US did to help the economies for Europe but thats why you have your nations, they could of never recovered and be like they are now if the US havent helped them. You owe us some thankings.


well the US wouldn't be around without the European money that built it.

I think the Russians are just as bad as everyone else when it comes to inteferance, self serving, protecting ones intrests etc etc.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 11:53 AM
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Russia is in a rough situation. Their only hold on being a "Super Power" is their nukes.
They are basically rising from the ashes of failed communisim while trying to hold on to the "Super Power" status. To do this they cannot be seen to just be a pupet of the United States. They have to show stenght on issues that they differ with the United States on but at the same time they usually agree with us on the most important issues.

I think in some years to come Russia has the potential to being the greatist nation on earth. It is just going to take a long time for thier economy to come online.

It wont happen to China because they have yet to kick communism and when that inevitably happens they will be face with a severe set back unless their leadership is smart enough to transform China to democracy without an uprising occuring.

The United States is becoming a Politicaly Correct Nation that is basically going to destroy us and our freedoms. I am not sure what it is called that we are heading for but it is sad to watch it happen. We all live pretty good but those with the power and money are becoming excessively greedy and it will destroy them and us.

The governement is monitoring us, making more and more laws restricting us while people argue that if your doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. What they do not get is that is fine while people you agree with are doing the monitoring and law making but what happens when that changes?

Russia has the best potential to become the next Free World Economic Power in the far future in my opinion. No where to go but up.

People do not hate Russia because they got a clean slate for the most part with the fall of the Soviet Union.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Xeven
It wont happen to China because they have yet to kick communism and when that inevitably happens they will be face with a severe set back unless their leadership is smart enough to transform China to democracy without an uprising occuring.


Um, China has a better chance of becoming a superpower than Russia does. Russia's economy is only getting really better because of natural resources. And nobody says that China needs to kick communism, though if the standard of living rises (which will harm their manufacturing), the people there probably will have even more stages of discontent. China's economy is much much better than Russia's is at the moment. And Russia is help arming up China, how nice of them



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 03:35 PM
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I think there is alot of resentment towards Russia in reality. Though you may here about the anger towards America more, you can bet that Russia has it's fair share of critics.

One reason resentment towards Russia is lower in tone than that of the US is that the Soviets lost the cold war. If the Us had collapsed and the USSR was the sole worlds super power you can bet there'd ba alot more angst over the policies of that country. I'm sure many of those in the EU that like to whine about American "cultural imperialism" would find it hard to deal with Soviet style bread lines versus a McDonalds on every corner.

Some reasons people may dislike Russia:

1) Russia's treatment of the breakaway republics

2) Russia, just like the US, propped up bad regimes in the middle east in an ideological fight against the west

3) Russia still supplies much of the weaponry that keeps many dictatorships in power

On a personal note, the reason the Russians don't hold their involvement in WWII over the heads of Europeans is because they KEPT many of the countries they "liberated" from the Nazi's. They built walls not to just keep invaders out, but to keep the people in. You know, the whole "Iron Curtain" thing and all.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by ANOK

And Deltaboy, it's funny that the history we are taught always paints the picture they want us to believe. Do you really think they will teach you the truth?
What will they teach college kids about 9-11 in a few yrs? The 'offocial story' I bet
Or will they actualy teach all side of the story and let you make up your own mind? I highly doubt it.


From the way you are talking, its like you don't have a clear view of how colleges or universities educate students these days. It seems you think we are in elementary school being taught to love America, etc. You seem to think that college students are stupid, ignorant and brainwashed by our professors who have their own independent minds as do we. You believe that our professors who do research to answer their own questions as to what happened, would just lecture us on the official version of the story of 9/11?


I remember being educated with a lecture and a notebook then a test afterwards. The trick is to record the lecture so you can remember it better. Also there were times where you were given stuff to read and learn from it.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 05:59 PM
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Go to Eastern Europe and you'll find that they quite hate the Russians there. Especially in the Baltic states, where the Russians did some really evil things to them when they ran the place.

The middle east ain't too fond of Russia either, but they hate Israel more.

I find the initial post of this thread inflamitory and ignorant really. No one should kiss anyone's rump over anything that happened 60 years ago.



posted on Jul, 18 2006 @ 06:06 PM
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I think Russia and America should be buddies and the best allies. It would look so cute to have an eagle perched on a bear's shoulder wouldn't it? And then Uncle Sam can be skipping in Siberia with a red, white and blue coat on.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:13 PM
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First Russia is not to be confused with the Soviet Union. Yes Russia was the major player, with highest population, and with Moscow being the basis of communist power. However all of the Soviet Union countries east of Poland (Poland and other countries added to USSR after WWII do not count), were equal partners in the Union, and all had a say. Stalin was georgian. Khruschev and Brezhnev were both Ukrainians. And it was the Gorbochev (Russian) who brought demise to the USSR (by the way those who say Regan did it are totally disillusioned). The most hardcore Communist party was that of Ukraine, and it was that party that prosecuted the Jews and others to the highest extent. So Russia does not equal Soviet Union, and the attrocities committed under communism cannot be layed upon today's Russians.

I do not know what FDR's reasons for entering WWII and giving aid to Europe were, but I know that the country that is mostly responsible for allied victory is Russia (together with Ukraine, Belarus, and other Soviet countries). Nobody of the allies was even close to sacrificing what the Russians sacrificed to bring about victory. 75% of the German troops were fighting the Russians after 1941. Without Russia's involvement it is questionable whether Germany and its European allies would have been defeated.


Most of Asia (Mongolia, Vietnam, India, Indonesia, China) are far better dispositioned towards Russia than US. Even while US denounced democratic India in favor of Pakistani dictatorship, Russia was building good relations with India, for example. Russia and China have some issues, but the two huge neighboring countries never had a war with each other, and likely never will.

Middle Eastern governments do not have anything against Russia for the most part. Only Russian conflict in Middle East was wuth Afgani mujahedeen. Russia armed most of Middle Eastern regimes, but it also helped build their infrastructure, and many Arab officials and intellectuals received education in Soviet Union. Unlike US, Russia does not have much interest in Middle Eastern oil, thus it has no reason to exploit Arab countries. All of US involvement in the region, is guided by interest in oil. So as long as oil is flowing, US cares not about which dictator is in power, and how the people are suffering in those countries.

South America is the same story as Middle East. US throughout 20's century exploited South America, helping some of the worst regimes in history. Russia did not interfere anywhere in South America, unless a large portion of host country's population expressively asked for Russia's help (ex. Cuba).

Western Europe and North America were more paranoid about Russia throughout history than anything, especially after 1918. Russia had never posed any threat untill after WWII to North America, yet this did not stop US from openly hating and denouncing Soviet regime. US propagnda worked in Canada and Western Europe, and thus hate for Russia arose in those regions as well. However Russia never had any interference or conflict with European nations, unless it was provoked into it (Napoleon, Crimean War, WWI, WWII). Many people in Europe now begin to understand that Russia never threatened them, and it was US playing them the whole time. Russia had no reason to attack France or great Britain, yet NATO still formed for no apparant reason but US scaremongering.

Ex-soviet countries in Eastern Europe (Poland, Baltics, Ukraine) and creating a stink storm about how Russia treated them badly. It is funny however, that this started soon after US and NATO gained influence in those countries. Most of the accusations are bull****, and Russia owes its appology to no one.


The main reason why there is more antipathy towards US than Russia in the world, is that US has far too much influence around the world for one country- superpower or not. In how many outside wars had US been involved in after WWII? How many dictatorships did US support and still supports around the world? How many nations have been exploited by globalization and for their natural resources by the US. US just can't sit still and sort out its own messed up politics in its far-from-perfect democracy. It has to "colonize" the world, paving the way for its corporate globalization. Those who dare not agree with US are labels as terrorist regimes, enemies of freedom, and Axis of Evil- and US will use any dirty means to destroy them (illegal wars, coups, trade blockades, assassinations, etc). US is the only "Hyperpower" (China and Russia can be considered superpowers) left in the world, and it is abusing its status.

Currently Russia threatens no one, no matter what US and European propaganda claims. Russia is trying hard to reamian neutral on all fronts (War on Terror, Iran, NK, Israel, Serbia). The Soviet Legacy is all but gone. It is US that threatens much of the globe now, with another war on horizon every few years. And Russia does not want to be buddies with US, because the US will exploit its politics and take any chance to stab Putin in the back. Russia much rather remain neutral with limited outside influence.

[edit on 19-7-2006 by maloy]



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by maloy


Most of the accusations are bull****, and Russia owes its appology to no one.

[edit on 19-7-2006 by maloy]


I'm not sure if you are talking about my topic about "you guys owe us an apology". Well I was talking about democracy in western European nations who had their economies revived b/c of that one plan, act whatever that the US did to help them.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by wildcat
I remember being educated with a lecture and a notebook then a test afterwards. The trick is to record the lecture so you can remember it better. Also there were times where you were given stuff to read and learn from it.


I prefer to use my notes when writing down what professors lecture and which ones are the main focus for the upcoming exams. I try using a recording device and it didn't do well and cost me money. It sounds sucky and you have background noise where people moving papers or coughing, etc. and it annoys me. Not to mention I don't use laptops since it makes noises when typing. Man, I remember how there was all these typing noises in the back of the rooms where people seem to be typing but they are in reality playing games, watching movies or surfing the net.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by maloy

Middle Eastern governments do not have anything against Russia for the most part. Only Russian conflict in Middle East was wuth Afgani mujahedeen. Russia armed most of Middle Eastern regimes, but it also helped build their infrastructure, and many Arab officials and intellectuals received education in Soviet Union. Unlike US, Russia does not have much interest in Middle Eastern oil, thus it has no reason to exploit Arab countries. All of US involvement in the region, is guided by interest in oil. So as long as oil is flowing, US cares not about which dictator is in power, and how the people are suffering in those countries.


You forgot to mention that the middle east was as much a "playground" for the Soviets as anyone. You also didn't mention that the Soviets had instigated the 1967 six day war and had plans to attack Israel.

Here is a link to and quote from an article about now declassified documents showing that the Soviets intentionally provoked that war and had plans to conquer and occupy Israel.


imra.org.il...

Michael Oren cites numerous sources to establish that already in 1966,
with Egypt ostensibly barred from deploying substantial forces in Sinai, the
Soviets devised a master plan for such deployment codenamed "Conqueror."
More revealing, perhaps, is the description of this plan's strategy as
"shield and sword"--the motto and emblem of the KGB. One of this plan's
basic features (a lightly defended front line) was specifically designed "to
serve as bait for luring the Israelis into a frontal assault."(86)
Perhaps even more significant is that "Conqueror" was originated at the
same time that Egypt signed its defense treaty with Syria, which was invoked
by the warning of May 1967. Syria's role in the Soviet instigation of the
1967 crisis has not been adequately explored, partly because Russian
sources--not to mention Syrian ones--are absolutely silent on it.


Another good point about Soviets using the middle east for it's own games is what happened after the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran .


At the war's end Britain withdrew but Soviet troops stationed in northwestern Iran not only refused to withdraw but backed revolts that established short-lived, pro-Soviet separatist regimes in the northern provinces of Iran: Azerbaijan Province and Kurdistan Province, the People's Republic of Azerbaijan and the Kurdish People's Republic in late 1945, both effective Soviet puppet states. Soviet troops did not withdraw from Iran proper until May, 1946 after receiving a promise of oil concessions. The Soviet republics in the north were soon overthrown and the oil concessions were revoked.


The soviets held Iran hostage to gain oil concessions.

Don't give me that garbage about how the Soviets were so peaceful.

About the cost of WWII on the people of the USSR, it's terrible, but it's also in many ways attributible to the tactics used by the Soviet military. They knew so many of their citizens were cannon fodder for the Germans and did nothing to stop it.

See Order No. 227 first introduced in the battle of stalingrad.


Order № 227 of July 28, 1942 was issued by Joseph Stalin acting as People's Commissar of Defence. It is also known as the "Not one step back!" order (Ни шагу назад!).

No one commander had right to retreat without order. Anyone who did so was subject to military tribunal.

Order № 227 established that each Front must create 1–3 penal battalions (штрафбат, штрафной батальон, 'shtrafbat', shtrafnoy batallion) made up of officers at fault. Each Front had to create penal companies for privates and NCOs. These penal units were assigned the most dangerous tasks.

It also established that each Army must create 3–5 well-armed barrier troops (заградотряд, заградительный отряд) to shoot the retreating troops.

Both measures were cited in the preamble of the order as successfully used by the Germans during their winter retreat.

All commanders that committed unauthorized retreat were subject to military court/tribunal of the corresponding level.


The soviets had forces in place to shoot Their Own soldiers!!!

I take issue with alot of what you present it your post.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by wildcat
I'm not sure if you are talking about my topic about "you guys owe us an apology". Well I was talking about democracy in western European nations who had their economies revived b/c of that one plan, act whatever that the US did to help them.


No, I am talking about people who say Russia should apologize to the countries of the former Soviet Union. Speciafically there was a thread in the European forums on Politics, about Russias needed apology to the Baltic states Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by looking4truth
You forgot to mention that the middle east was as much a "playground" for the Soviets as anyone. You also didn't mention that the Soviets had instigated the 1967 six day war and had plans to attack Israel.

Here is a link to and quote from an article about now declassified documents showing that the Soviets intentionally provoked that war and had plans to conquer and occupy Israel.


I didn't mention it, because it is pretty obvious that the whole world was a playground for the two superpowers. About the soviet provocation of the war with Israel- it is not a fact. The theory that it was all masterminded by the soviets is rather funny. Egypt was the main planner there. Russia only supplied the Arabs with arms and tactics, because US did likewise with Israel.

And as I said- Soviet legacy is not Russian legacy. Soviet Union was not Russia. Russia was a part of it, but the decisions that were made were by the Party of Soviets- of members of all Soviet states. You might as well blame Ukraine and Belarus for it. Soviet Union was in Middle East to offset US help to Israel. However unlike US, Soviet Union did not exploit Middle East for its own gain. USSR had nothing personally to gain from destruction of Israel. On the opposite, Soviet regime wanted Israel to exists, because it supported the fact that Russian and Ukrainian Jews were leaving to go live in Israel.


Originally posted by looking4truth
Another good point about Soviets using the middle east for it's own games is what happened after the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran .


I do not support anything that was done under Stalin. Stalin was not Russian. Stalin did not stand for Russia. He stood for the communist party. However Soviet Union was not involved in Iran on a large scale. It did not much care about remaining in Iran, because if it did it would not have left it so soon after WWII. But even that involvement was very minor compared with current US and European interference in the region.



Originally posted by looking4truth
Don't give me that garbage about how the Soviets were so peaceful.


They were certainly more peaceful when compared side by side with US. Especially if you compare Russia in the past 2 decades, and US. How many wars did each one have?


Originally posted by looking4truth
About the cost of WWII on the people of the USSR, it's terrible, but it's also in many ways attributible to the tactics used by the Soviet military. They knew so many of their citizens were cannon fodder for the Germans and did nothing to stop it.

The soviets had forces in place to shoot Their Own soldiers!!!

I take issue with alot of what you present it your post.



Yes lets blame the Soviet cassualties on those bloody Soviets. Thats like blaming the firefighters and rescue crews for the deaths on 9/11, because they weren't trained on what to do and just rushed into those buildings to meet their own death. Well I guess they don't value life now do they?

Unlike Americans, WWII was an all out WAR for Russians. Arguebly that was the example of the worst total war in history. Nazis considered Russians sub human. They killed civilians, they killed most of the captured soldiers, they spared no one. Even before the Russians started pushing back, many millions of civilians and soldiers caught on the front lines died. Almost all soldiers on the front lines in 1941 in Belarus, Ukraine, and Western Russia died, because they REFUSED to leave their posts. they weren't made to stay and defend- Stalin gave everyone orders to fall back at that time. they did not stay for Stalin. They stood for themselves and for their land. Many thousands stayed and fought to the last man, knowing they will die.

Russia could also not save all of its civilians. The transport was very poor, and so was infrastructure and communications. Most of the civilians killed, were cut off from any help. Soviets did evacuate tens of million beyond Moscow to the Ural region. I take issue with your statements that they were cannon fodder. Were the people who died on 9/11 cannon fodder for the American globalism?

Russia needed every single able male to fight, without acceptions. If those who were scared deserted, moral would be even lower, soldiers would refuse to fight and rather give up. They were not attacking in foreign lands, like US was. They were fighting on their motherland. There was no place to retreat, and thats why no one was allowed to desert. Blame Stalin for the mistakes of the Russians after 1943- when Russians started throwing the Germans back. Many mistakes were made, many lives carelessly lost. But do not blame Soviet Union or Russia for those lives. The fight on the Eastern Front, cannot even be imagined by the Westerns or compared to the Western front. It was an all out war, and both sides were throwing all they had. Likewise Germans lost nearly everyone they had on the front lines during the reatreat because of similarly stupid mistakes and unyeilding Hitler. Who knows what Americans or Europeans would fight like if they were in Russia's place. No war like that on the Russian front had ever happened before or after, even close. So do not judge what others had done, for you might have done the same thing in their place.


You take issue with what I said? I take issue with what you said. Russians in WWII died not because of Soviet Union, but because of Nazi Germany- all 100% of them. Blame their deaths on the aliens if you want. In reality they died because of Hitler. Where are you from that you take offense with what I said?

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posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by maloy
You take issue with what I said? I take issue with what you said. Russians in WWII died not because of Soviet Union, but because of Nazi Germany- all 100% of them. Blame their deaths on the aliens if you want. In reality they died because of Hitler. Where are you from that you take offense with what I said?


I agree with you that Hitler was the cause of the war. And certainly it was a much harder war for the USSR than for the US. Both in terms of human toll and booty.

Did you even read the article on the the Soviet plans for attack on Israel? It is based on fact. Documents from the USSR support this. It was an attempt to further insert it's will/influence there.

As for Russia being peaceful for being uninvolved in a war for nearly 2 decades......... What about the First Chechen War and The Second Chechen War????

BTW the fanatics that the Russian federation deal with, the ones that comitted the Beslan School Massacre are the same as the ones the US fight. I feel they are connected and hence Russia and the US fight the same foes.

Just because the Russian Federation is not involved in major Foriegn fight does not make them peaceful. That would be like saying North Korea is peaceful because they have had no combat since the 1950's. There's more to the story than a lack of will to fight.

Even with all of Russia's new found oil wealth the government there lacks the will to deal with major issues like corruption, a poor urban infrastucture, human trafficing, and general wide spread crime.

I also notice that for such a peaceful nation there's been no rush to get rid of it's huge stockpile of weapons, especially the nukes. Not that the US is better with this, but it's another indication that at least Someone feels they be necessary someday.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 07:18 PM
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LOL! ANOK, you cracked me up mate! Good going.


From the way you are talking, its like you don't have a clear view of how colleges or universities educate students these days. It seems you think we are in elementary school being taught to love America, etc. You seem to think that college students are stupid, ignorant and brainwashed by our professors who have their own independent minds as do we. You believe that our professors who do research to answer their own questions as to what happened, would just lecture us on the official version of the story of 9/11?


HAHAHA! deltaboy, which college did you attend then, and when?

Here's some good stuff for you;

www.amconmag.com...#
baltimorechronicle.com...
www.sourcewatch.org...
www.cnn.com...
www.wired.com...
www.townhall.com...,_part_iii&ns=MikeSAdams&dt=01/17/2006&page=full&comments=true
www.townhall.com...
www.townhall.com...(revisited)
www.scpronet.com...
www.thefire.org...
www.thefire.org...


That is why everybody hates America.

Loud mouth know it all hypocrites with the general knowledge of a parrot and a vocabulary that is easily mastered by a chimp.

I live in S. California by the way, but not for long, I'm getting out, and it's not because of "love it or leave it", but because I actually want a job that pays what it should, the kind where people are rewarded for doing it right, not sabotaged and crapped on.

Over and out.



posted on Jul, 19 2006 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by wildcat
The Germans always wanted to take America so the US had to get back at the Germans. See WW 1 where the German leader told the Mexicans to invade the US and he told Japan to invade the US and he would and Mexico would get back their long lost lands. That had a name and I also forgot. Or was that WW 2.


Never heard of this, ever. Hitler didnt want to occupy britan or america, of if u remember your WW2 history, it was the Allies that declared war on the Nazi's. The Nazi plan was to take over most of western russia, hopefully makeing the russians want to talk peace so that the Nazi's could claim large amounts of land from russia, to set up new german colonies across the russian landscape to breed his "aryan race".
Now as stated befor in the post, the U.S.S.R. did much more to cause the fall of hitler than the allies did. Who took on the full force of the German, Romanian, Bulgarian armies? Russia, they fall back for along time unstill they managed to stop the germans in their tracks in the winter, due to their winter wars experience. Then able to push the germans back to berlin finaly taking berlin.
While this was going on Allie forces landed in Normandy, taking back most of france after a long time, all that was left in france and western germany was garrisons. Not war-harden veterns from the war on poland and france, the soviets were dealing with them. And still who managed to make it to berlin first? THe Yanks started from Normandy, while the Soviets started pushing back from Stalingrad. Look at a map and see which one is closer to Berlin.
Yet i dont see russians on these boards constantly claiming the they saved the world from hitler, over and over and over and over and over again.





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