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• 3D surveillance search and acquisition radar
• Automatic functions from target detection to missile tracking
• Remotely-controlled sensor and weapon platform
• Line-of-Sight guidance, unjammable laser beam riding missile
ASRAD-R is an all-target missile system with high precision at long ranges down to ground level, for self defence also against armoured ground targets, well suited for protection of mobile units and defence of vital objects.
The BOLIDE missile for ASRAD-R utilises the unique and unjammable laser beam guidance of the RBS 70 and provides an intercept range of 8 km. With the BOLIDE missile, the ASRAD-R has an all-target capability, including small targets such as cruise missiles and UAVs.
The ASRAD-R weapon system comprises a stabilised air defence platform for integration on vehicles, containerised or pallet mounted, and a weapon control unit for remote control up to 100 m from the platform.
Originally posted by iskander
Patriot can not intercept SCUDs, and can not intercept Katushas. S-300 can. That's why Israelis developed their own "Arrow", which I vote after S-400 btw.
By mobility I meant the ability to move on own power. Tends to be rather important when mobilising.
In 91 the Patriots stationed in Israel/Saudi Arabia were able to hit SCUD’s and did so on several occasions, sure the hit rate wasn't as high as previously thought (complicated issue if you want to get into it) and there were several glitches, but as another member said they were corrected in the subsequent years.
I agree, an excellent land based system.
Yep, you're not going to find anything other than verbal or video footage of intercepts. Because it is classified. By the same token, let's see some telemetry data on the Arrow system. Same burden of proof exists for that system as does for Patriot.
Rubbish. On every arms trade expo, every major system exporter openly advertises every capability aspect of their systems.
If you are attempting to state that Patriot capabilities are classified when it's sold on open market, while other SAM systems capabilities are clearly advertised, it only means that you never even held an arms trade expo pamphlet.
As far as I know Patriot is not capable of double hit intercept.
Arrow, S-300, BUK, TOR, etc, do, as I'm sure most other modern SAMs simply advertise such capability and back it up not only with telemetry but actual test intercept videos.
A ton of such videos are floating around the internet, look into it and then tell me about "classified" Patriot capabilities.
It's how it is
If you believe this, then you know less than I thought about air defence systems. Arms shows advertise some capabilities, with (depending on country) inflated or deflated figures. Having attended over 100 arms shows as part of my job, and having worked on tender evaluations on the operational capabilities of air defence systems, I'm pretty confident I know what I'm talking about.
Ok, see comment above. I'll give you some more info though. Until you sign a non-disclosure agreement with the manufacture, and as long as the system isn't subject to export control restrictions, and until you provide some money and select the system as the winner of a competitive tender, you will not get accurate performance data. Which is smart security (and competitive) sense. This is why there is so much angst about JSF and technology transfer. It is a standard thing for weapon systems these days.
And as far as I know, having worked operationally with the system, it can.
Once again, show me the telemetry data. And I'm not talking launch times and dates, I'm talking speed, LATAX, roll, guidance effectiveness, fusing logic and time, countermeasure algorithm effectiveness, time to impact, etc. Can't find any on the net? Hmm, funny that, because if you could find it, you could build a defeat to the system. Gucci videos with pumping soundtracks do nothing other than impress wanna-be's who know jack all about air defence systems. Operational effectiveness and the classified capabilities are what is important. Everything else is just chaff.
As keen as I am to serve time in prison, I'm not telling you anything classified. Why videos correlate with classified material has me stumped anyway. For what it's worth, here's some UNCLAS info (which talks about the anti-missile capabilities of the system, backing up what has been said by a few of us already).
Then nothing I say is going to change your mind. But don't come in here and start calling my posts "rubbish" when you do nothing to either back up your point of view, or add to the discussion in a meaningful way. As you've obviously read a lot of shiny pamphlets at various arms shows, you should have a wealth of information to provide. At least try to add some value to the thread by providing content, not just wild claims.
I see. I'm not into chest pounding, and instead of dropping big names everybody knows, all I'll say is that one of the clients I personally worked with was a relatively small company called Space Vector, right here in Chatsworth. They too do some shows, you know.
How are you.
Sure, only salvo sequence is just a "tad" different from a "mop-up". Keep going.
So what you're saying is that you don't have a subscription, right? I though you said you were in the industry.
I take it you completely missed the whole AFOSI investigation into that hacking deal, you know, the one that pumped out everything there is to know about the Patriot. The cat is out of the bag, so I don't know man, it was a kind of a big deal in the community.
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As pointed out by one scientist, all it would take is for one nuclear tipped missile to be launched in a large volley of conventional missiles to increase the chance of successful impact. For this reason, the Arrow has been paired with
the PAC-3 and other systems that could serve as a layered defense.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
With all due respect the Patriot (PAC-2 GEM+/PAC-3) don't have any glitches, at least not any more than any other SAM.
The time issue is old news, the Patriot has always done what it was intended to do, oh and the PAC-3 can be quickly deployed around the world via air transport.
Equally worrisome is the spread of cruise missiles and unmanned combat aerial vehicles, which are precision-guided and small enough to be launched from ships and aircraft, said Col. Edward L. Mullin, program manager of the Army’s cruise missile defense office at Redstone Arsenal, Ala. A number of factor makes them dangerous, he said, including:
During the invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam Hussein’s forces fired a number of cruise missiles at U.S. troops, Mullin said. “We were positioned with Patriot missiles,” he said. “Unfortunately, when the cruise missiles were fired, we didn’t even see them. Needless to say, we were directed to get at that threat rather quickly.”
The SLAMRAAM system is a comparatively cost-effective defense against cruise missiles, Mullin said. “At $650,00 apiece, it beats the PAC-3 in terms of price,” he said. Cost estimates for the Patriot advanced capability-3 missile system run as high as $91 million apiece.
20 March, Camp Commando Kuwait, Operation IRAQI FREEDOM.
Marines of the I Marine Expeditionary Force (IMEF) Headquarters are on alert in their forward-deployed position at Camp Commando Kuwait awaiting the initiation of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM (OIF). A U.S. Air Force officer attached to IMEF monitors a terminal that will alert the headquarters of any detected ballistic missile or cruise missile attacks.
Marines deployed north and east of the headquarters suddenly observe a low-flying missile passing overhead, pointed towards Kuwait in the direction of Camp Commando. IMEF’s air defense computer terminals display nothing out of the ordinary, and no Scud alert is sounded. Marines in the headquarters are astonished and surprised to hear the signature of a low-flying jet engine overhead, followed by the noise and concussion from a large warhead blast.
An Iraqi Seersucker antiship cruise missile converted into a land attack role has just missed decapitating IMEF by a mere one hundred yards. The missile, launched from the Faw peninsula, flew undetected and unengaged straight through the heart of an alert and robust U.S. theater air and missile defense system. Following this attack, the U.S. Marines maintained a Combat Air Patrol (CAP) of F/A-18s over the Faw peninsula for several days.
BTW xmotex once the SM-6 ERAM is operational it will surpass the SM-2 and greatly increase the AAW capability of the AEGIS combat system.
[edit on 17-7-2006 by WestPoint23]