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posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 09:17 PM
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The US used phosphorous in Iraq, and basically admited to it. I think that the specific formulation used isn't infact illegal. Just like Naplm, etc isn't illegal.

The article has this photo

Am I mistaken, or is that a computer animation stillshot, or a heavily edited photo???




posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 09:37 PM
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Hezbollah using weapons in a banned manner (TERRORISM). Does that make the Israeli's any worse LOL?



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 09:40 PM
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Hi guys,
I've been lurking around here for quite a while but I just had to chime in on this one. Please note the attached image.

This image has clearly been photoshoped based on examination of the pixel data.

Within the blue circle please note toward the bottom where the black circular lines end. This area is clearly blurred and extends beyond the other dimensions of the object. This is a result of improper cut and paste techniques and the blur being caused by a feathered brush or bad cloning Job. There is also reason to belive that in the original sorce file of the bomb the bottom part of the bomb was hard to distinguish from the rest of the image resulting bad lines during the cutting proces.

Within the yellow circle the hand is poorly cut out around the bomb. Please see the fingertips. There is also a definate striaight clipping line that can be seen at 200% magnification(possible jpeg fragment). The bottom hand is also not correct to a person actually handling such an item.

Within the green circle The shadowing is incorrect with relation to the soldier and other items in the photograph. There is also a definate lack of any sort of shadow falling from the bomb anywhere. Although it is possible the guard rail is hiding this.

Regardless of the object weight, the person was indeed holding something at some point, But not this bomb. I'm no expert on what a body can and cant do but I dont believe his body positioning is correct for someone carrying such an ackward object. He almost appears to be carrying this thing rather haphazardly. I also have a hard time believing any military(terrorists included) would handle such a weapon without a person nearby to hand it off to or assist in the transport.

Just my two cents.



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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Interesting photobug. I am not entirely convinced as of yet.

I contacted the source asking if it was a digital photo or film, etc. Should be intersting to see a response.

THey do note that its a dual use munition, that its a regular munition used by the IDF, one that can have chemical weapons packed in it. Seems odd to claim that and make a fake, no? Seems to suggest it is real.

Anyone that is familiar with ISraeli munitions?



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 09:59 PM
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Thanks a lot for the replay on that immage. Some day I hope to be able to use photo shop that well also.
I never really did think it was a real photo, so thanks for confirming it.



posted on Jul, 24 2006 @ 11:43 PM
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Photochopped??? Geez........ some people will attempt a conspiracy about ANYTHING.

One description of a Thermobaric bomb is one in which a primary detonation releases a flammable gas in a given area, then ten seconds later a secondary explosion ignites the mixture. Very clever and usefull.

Some people go nuts about using depleted uranium, when in actuality, DU is less than half as "radioactive" as raw material found in nature.



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 12:26 AM
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He seems to be holding the thing to me. Even the nobbish looking thing fits perfectly into his hand in the blow-up.


Hopefully the owner of that pic gets back to Nygdan soon.



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 12:29 AM
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Been covered in this thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nothing illegal about its design purpose



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
The US used phosphorous in Iraq, and basically admited to it. I think that the specific formulation used isn't infact illegal. Just like Naplm, etc isn't illegal.

The article has this photo

Am I mistaken, or is that a computer animation stillshot, or a heavily edited photo???


i think its a computer image, look at the helmet, it should have a more rounded shape to it, but its like jagged edges, i understand helmets have cloth and such around them but it shouldnt have sides like _____
/ \ < this plus the edges are blurred in the pic



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 01:35 AM
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sry it screwed up my little helmet thing i made



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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As noted, I created a discussion on the validity of the munition in and off itself in the thread chinawhite noted.


On the other image, of the tank firing, the other thing that looks really fake to me is the bursts of fire all around it. But I suppose it could be due to a number of things.


Importantly, regarding 'banned weapons', in the other thread ignorant_ape noted, that the weapon is real and part of a system that explodes and sets off and destroys mines (and possibly IEDS, etc?) in an area, and that, the real 'rules of war' concern here would be, are the yehudis using that weapon on population centers or groups of civilians?

The page is also saying:


U.S. military intelligence experts believe the ease at which the Israeli soldier is handling the artillery shell is an indication that the payload contains light-weight gas and not a fuel-air mixture or thermobaric bomb components


That is quite intruiging. Everyone has noted that the pic almost looks fake because he is moving it with such ease, according to the madsen people, it is surprising, and the answer is that it doesn't have the normal payload of the shell, the thermobaric 'explosive'. Intruiging.

[edit on 25-7-2006 by Nygdan]

[edit on 25-7-2006 by Nygdan]

[edit on 25-7-2006 by Nygdan]



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 09:32 PM
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They are saying that the image was from a wire service, not given to them directly (the IDFer hodling the device), to be clear, they never stated it was given to them by an agent in the field or something.

I am asking them about the identification.



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
that the weapon is real and part of a system that explodes and sets off and destroys mines (and possibly IEDS, etc?) in an area, and that, the real 'rules of war' concern here would be, are the yehudis using that weapon on population centers or groups of civilians?


Did you see the picture of the child burnt/killed in the attack? It said the coloration of the skin was that of chemical burns. Wasn't it?


Pie



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 09:43 PM
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It states as such, but I certainly wouldn't know the difference between a burn from an explosion, whatever hezbollah stockpiles are burning, or white phosphorous. I'd think that photo identifications would be difficult.


I don't know about modern white phosphorous, but I recall phosphorous in general being used as a weapon, and its 'advantage' is that it burns even if doused with water, and will 'burn to the bone' if permited. I googled around for iraqis hit with it, since we know that people were, one way or another, hit with it in falluja, these are some of the images claimed to be caused by it.

They are not for the faint of heart and I myself don't think these kinds of images should be gratuitously thrown around.

last-straw.net...

www.williambowles.info...


In my (again, in-expert) opinion, they look different from that child, who looks like she could be 'just' normally burnt and covered with, probably the dust of the bricks or concrete of her house.



The apparent lightness of the munition is really interesting though. Its a package that is used for their anti-mine operation, but the package doesn't seem to be loaded with its usual material, so what material is in it, and that in itself seems to warrant refering to it as Dual Use (even if the material isn't a banned weapon).

Just to be on the safe side, here is the image hosted elsewhere (saftey in duplication, eh?)

img144.imageshack.us...
img144.imageshack.us...

[edit on 25-7-2006 by Nygdan]

[edit on 25-7-2006 by Nygdan]



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
The apparent lightness of the munition is really interesting though. Its a package that is used for their anti-mine operation, but the package doesn't seem to be loaded with its usual material, so what material is in it, and that in itself seems to warrant refering to it as Dual Use (even if the material isn't a banned weapon).



jeez why do they even make things like that if they know they can be used in such ways. Dammit that makes me so sad ....that poor kid. Everytime I think about those kids I keep thinking about my own. God I'd go ballistic.



posted on Jul, 25 2006 @ 10:05 PM
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I think terrorism is a banned weapon No?



posted on Jul, 26 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
I think terrorism is a banned weapon No?


"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful, and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless." -- Peter Ustinov



posted on Aug, 2 2006 @ 11:06 AM
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