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Originally posted by wang
You are correct that is a statement made by Libertarians, but i wouldnt consider myself one.
I believe in a strong welfare state
and economic control of the government
Again i will state, arms are not power, knowledge is power
Originally posted by df1
I presume you mean more social programs provided by the government. Could you be more specific? Many things can be argued from a libertarian perspective including social programs.
A libertarian would love economic controls on the government. We already have economic control by the government and that isnt working out really well.
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Most libertarians support deregulation and free trade because they believe that people should be able to start and grow businesses, manufacture, transport, trade, buy, and sell with little interference from the government.
I have a different point of view. Arms are used to insure that the power of knowledge survives. Without arms our knowledge will be destroyed just as easily as the ancient knowledge was destroyed in the library in alexandria by the better armed which were ignorant of what they were destroying.
Originally posted by wang
main stream libertarians believe welfare is counter productive.
When i said economic control of the government, i meant the means of production should be owned by the government.
Originally posted by df1
It seems that your views span the entire political spectrum:
Originally posted by wang
main stream libertarians believe welfare is counter productive.
from libertarian on individual rights issues
When i said economic control of the government, i meant the means of production should be owned by the government.
to seemingly socialist on economic issues.
Can you expand a bit more on each and how you reconcile the conflict between this broad range of beliefs? Or why you dont see a conflict. Im not looking to debate or persuade you one way or another, Im just trying to find some common ground that most liberals share.
Also Id like to hear a lot more from you on government ownership of production, though this is far left of liberal. Ive worked in both the private & government sectors and to be quite honest I do not see any positive difference between the employee/management relations of either style of production ownership. Ive found that the working environment is typically more positive for me in a small business where owner of the business works hands on and is accessable to employees. The difference between a big business and government to the employee is negligible.
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Originally posted by rich23
I believe in truth in the media, not "truthiness".
I believe that the free flow of CORRECT information is vital to a healthy democracy.
I believe that the resources this planet offers should be husbanded with care.
I believe that the poorest people should pay the least taxes.
I believe nations should have the right to control their own resources.
I believe in radical democracy in the workplace and the collective ownership of businesses.
I believe that the basics of life - water, energy, healthcare - should be provided by publicly-owned companies with a charter to promote efficiency and reduce waste.
I believe in freedom of speech and of worship.
I believe in equality for all regardless of skin colour or sex.
I believe that a variety of ownership is essential to a free media, and that companies that own media should ONLY own media - that way you can't have arms manufacturers owning tame media companies.
I believe that the only excuse for militarism is a clear and present danger of invasion.
I wouldn't consider myself a liberal, though.
Trying to make everyone the same.
Originally posted by mrwupy
1. How should this statement be titled? (Example: Our Liberal beliefs or We as Liberals proclaim or etc, etc)
2. What do you hold dear that makes you consider yourself to be a Liberal? List as many Ideas as you wish.
3. What do you most oppose in the conservative movement?
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