does any one else think that its odd, that the one religion that is supposed to be the " right religion" and the " one true religion" is the most dominating and hypocritical religion there is???here are just some of the things i came up on my own, maybe you guys could help me out with some other ones i havent thought of yet...

1.it says directly in the bible, do not chant ... what do the catholics do walking down there halls in their churches. THEY CHANT. and repeatedly do it...
2.now this one is a commandment... " thou shalt not worship any gods before me"
and what do they do.. they call the pope " the father" and bow down to him as if he was god.
3. another commandment... " thou shalt not worship and graven idols"
now it seems to me that all those statues in the catholic churches seem to be " idols" they bow to them, they pray to them, they even adorn them with wreathes.
4. in the bible is also says to not care of for earthly possesions. when you see the pope and the men in the papacy, what are they wearing? jewelry everywhere, gold adornments on their gowns and gold crowns... now isnt that the reason that jesus tore down the temple in the first place, he said , ( not exact) , this is not what the church is about. the flaunt money and place in society, it is about worshiping god, the father.

to worship god it can be in your own home.. because religion and spirit of such things as god is in your heart...

those are the only ones that i could think of right now. help me out if you could

im out
-mindtrip02

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While Catholocism may be the wrong religion for you, and the wrong religion for me, it obviously suits some just fine. Millions of people are quite satisfied with being Catholic, whether or not it makes any sense to us.

I can understand that some people might see something underhanded about it, some might feel that the leaders of the Catholic church are misleading their followers. Who am I to make that decision though? Obviously, those who are practicing Catholics want to be practicing Catholics. I am no one to point fingers or tell them they are wrong.

Originally posted by mindtrip02
does any one else think that its odd, that the one religion that is supposed to be the " right religion" and the " one true religion" is the most dominating and hypocritical religion there is???

Rather than being so "Narrow" in scope would it not be better to consider if Religion is the culprit, and if it matters if it's Pentacostal, Baptist, Catholic, Seventh Day Adventist, and so on. They all have faults based upon the Doctrines of their individualistic beliefs.

Just wondering out loud.

Ciao

Shane

Catholics want to be practicing Catholics. I am no one to point fingers or tell them they are wrong.

Aren't you the saint?Catholocism is a brutal and unrelentless sect. if you go back in the day. Thing of it is,"Whats the first thing you hear from a man from the 'Conviction' box? "Oh God, Please help me."

Originally posted by Allred5923
Aren't you the saint?

No, I am no saint, the farthest thing from it actually. I don't claim to be good, or righteous, or wise either. I just don't think it would be fair for me, personally, to tell others that their religion is wrong.

Historically, many groups have made horrible mistakes. I live now, in the present. If I start holding every group's past against its present members I would drive myself mad with hatred and loathing. Keep in mind that I am not telling you how you should feel. I celebrate the fact that you have the right to hold any belief you choose. I just can't feel the same way.

in no way am i trying to go against the PEOPLE in catholicism. its the religion itself, the way the people are taught to be. the PEOPLE could be great, i just think that for a religion to do everything that it says not to do,... seems a little bit wierd... like its a devil religion dating back thousands of years and somehow the people in that religion havent figured it out yet..

im out
-mindtrip02

Originally posted by mindtrip02
3. another commandment... " thou shalt not worship and graven idols"
now it seems to me that all those statues in the catholic churches seem to be " idols" they bow to them, they pray to them, they even adorn them with wreathes.
4. in the bible is also says to not care of for earthly possesions. when you see the pope and the men in the papacy, what are they wearing? jewelry everywhere, gold adornments on their gowns and gold crowns... now isnt that the reason that jesus tore down the temple in the first place, he said , ( not exact) , this is not what the church is about. the flaunt money and place in society, it is about worshiping god, the father.

I'd be willing to say that it is not just the Catholic religion that do these things. Every church I've ever been to, regardless of the religion, has some sort of statue, painting, or both. In one Christian church I've been to there was a cross with Jesus on it, another had a very large painting of him, another had just a huge cross. So I don't think that Catholic churches have a monopoly on the graven image, they just have more of them I think.

As for the earthly possessions, every preacher/priest/whatever the title is I have ever seen drives a brand new car, has jewelry everywhere, brand-new clothes, etc. etc. It's human nature to want nice things, and expensive things. I'd be willing to say that 99% of people, whether they admit it or not, want to be the one wearing million dollar jewelry, thousand dollar outfits, and driving cars that cost more than I'll ever make in my life. They just don't have access to the funds to do that.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by mindtrip02
3. another commandment... " thou shalt not worship and graven idols"
now it seems to me that all those statues in the catholic churches seem to be " idols" they bow to them, they pray to them, they even adorn them with wreathes.
4. in the bible is also says to not care of for earthly possesions. when you see the pope and the men in the papacy, what are they wearing? jewelry everywhere, gold adornments on their gowns and gold crowns... now isnt that the reason that jesus tore down the temple in the first place, he said , ( not exact) , this is not what the church is about. the flaunt money and place in society, it is about worshiping god, the father.

I'd be willing to say that it is not just the Catholic religion that do these things. Every church I've ever been to, regardless of the religion, has some sort of statue, painting, or both. In one Christian church I've been to there was a cross with Jesus on it, another had a very large painting of him, another had just a huge cross. So I don't think that Catholic churches have a monopoly on the graven image, they just have more of them I think.

As for the earthly possessions, every preacher/priest/whatever the title is I have ever seen drives a brand new car, has jewelry everywhere, brand-new clothes, etc. etc. It's human nature to want nice things, and expensive things. I'd be willing to say that 99% of people, whether they admit it or not, want to be the one wearing million dollar jewelry, thousand dollar outfits, and driving cars that cost more than I'll ever make in my life. They just don't have access to the funds to do that.

ok, i understand that people want nice things out of life, but preists and the pope, have taken vows of poverty. i grew up in church ( penecostal) all my life, i know that the reverends liked to have nice things as well. but they dont take vows of poverty like the papacy of the catholic church does. and as for the pictures of jesus and ect. i can see that, as in rememberence of him ( even though that is what sacrament is for ) but the only religion i know of that kneels down to the images in such a way that there is hardly a difference between admiring them and worshiping it, is the catholics. i am not judging, just nearly pointing out a fact.

Originally posted by mindtrip02
does any one else think that its odd, that the one religion that is supposed to be the " right religion" and the " one true religion" is the most dominating and hypocritical religion there is???here are just some of the things i came up on my own, maybe you guys could help me out with some other ones i havent thought of yet...

Wow, does anyone else here think that mindtrip is prejudiced and ignorant? I know that sounds harsh but is just statement.

1.it says directly in the bible, do not chant ... what do the catholics do walking down there halls in their churches. THEY CHANT. and repeatedly do it...

First off, where does it say that in the bible? Anywhere near the sections in Psalms where it says to raise up your praises to God in song? Secondly, I walk down halls at my church from time to time and am pretty sure that I have never chanted while doing so. Perhaps you are referring priests doing that? In that case, let me think... nope, still can't recall a time when they did that. We do have what is called plainchant which is prayers set to a song, but that doesn't happen walking up and down the aisle. and I will refer you again to Psalms, among other places that encourage you to offer your prayers to go in song.

2.now this one is a commandment... " thou shalt not worship any gods before me"and what do they do.. they call the pope " the father" and bow down to him as if he was god.

We don't worship the Pope. We show him respect - respect which is accorded to him in his position as head of the Church on Earth. The same respect, in fact, that I would show to a president or prime minister or whatever other leader. Heck, that I would show to boy scout troupe leader.

3. another commandment... " thou shalt not worship and graven idols"
now it seems to me that all those statues in the catholic churches seem to be " idols" they bow to them, they pray to them, they even adorn them with wreathes.

Again, your ignorace and smallmindedness is showing. We don't worship those statues, most (but not all) of which are of saints. Just in case you are honestly curious and not just baiting us catholics, I will explain a bit. The images of saints and even of Jesus serve to remind us of a couple of things. One is our history as Catholics. More importantly are the primary characteristics associated with a given saint. St. Francis, for instance, was reknowned for his love of all living things. The statues we see of him serves to remind us that we are all interrelated on this world and that we are all precious in the eyes of God. Does that mean I worship him? No, not at all. I seek to emulate his goodwill. Occasionally Catholics will pray for the intercession of a saint. Basically what you are doing there is asking for the saint to speak on your behalf to God. Basically spiritual networking, if you will.

4. in the bible is also says to not care of for earthly possesions. when you see the pope and the men in the papacy, what are they wearing? jewelry everywhere, gold adornments on their gowns and gold crowns... now isnt that the reason that jesus tore down the temple in the first place, he said , ( not exact) , this is not what the church is about. the flaunt money and place in society, it is about worshiping god, the father. to worship god it can be in your own home.. because religion and spirit of such things as god is in your heart...

Most of the gold and gems you see are holdovers from the past when there wasn't really a banking system. Money was easier to transport in the form of gems and gold. Additionally, money is necessary in this world. If the church didn't have money, they wouldn't be able to pay the upkeep on the locations of the churches. They wouldn't be able to feed the priests and allow for healthcare of ailing priests and a retirement for older ones. Also remember that the church is made up of people. Some are less noble than others and there will always be people who enter into any organization in pursuit of earthly weath and power. It is part and parcel of experience in this world.

those are the only ones that i could think of right now. help me out if you could

im out
-mindtrip02

Hope that helps you to shed some of your ignorance and prejudice.

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I agree with queen, a lot of the 1 billion+ members of the catholic church are members by birth, and are catholics by name only, at least thats from experience.

Since i meet many catholics where i live, and have many friends that are catholic, it seems the only things that are important is goign to mass on sunday and having the conservative mentality, that is being against abortion and gay marriage etc.

I'll say this, the catholic church is smart, baptizing them and making them members of the church when they are babies, that way they have no choice to be members and if one wants not to be a catholic, thier family or friends growing up in the catholic church will look down on them and worst case, get disowned by the family. Which is a good incentive to stay in the church.

I mean, i don't have to tell you that biblically... you're supposed to be baptized when one accepts Jesus as your saviour, but according to the RCC, tradition > bible.

Unfortunately, anyone who talks negative about the catholic church are obviously anti-catholic bigots. Martin Luther was an anticatholic bigot because he talked negatively about the church. Jesus was a Jewish bigot because he talked negatively about Israel's religious leaders, etc etc.

Thus, when the endtimes does come, those who consider evil good will think they do God a service in persecuting true christians. And the true christians will be the ones claiming that apostasy has entered thier churches. (Paul's conversion and missionary journeys being an example)

Originally posted by Shortness
I'll say this, the catholic church is smart, baptizing them and making them members of the church when they are babies, that way they have no choice to be members and if one wants not to be a catholic, thier family or friends growing up in the catholic church will look down on them and worst case, get disowned by the family. Which is a good incentive to stay in the church.

You are close on a little bit of this, most catholics are baptised at or near birth. However, we also have something called "confirmation" which is when you are older. Confirmation is not automatic, you attend classes and learn about the history of the church and our faith and then make a choice to become confirmed in the Catholic church.

I can also tell you as a catholic that I don't look down on my non-catholic friends and family. They make their own choices - if I forced my religion upon them it wouldn't take. I try to live my life in such a way that it is an example of what I believe as a Christian and a Catholic. I hope by the example that I set that I will present my faith as a large part of the reason that I am the kind of person I am.

Originally posted by Marid Audran

Originally posted by Shortness
I'll say this, the catholic church is smart, baptizing them and making them members of the church when they are babies, that way they have no choice to be members and if one wants not to be a catholic, thier family or friends growing up in the catholic church will look down on them and worst case, get disowned by the family. Which is a good incentive to stay in the church.

You are close on a little bit of this, most catholics are baptised at or near birth. However, we also have something called "confirmation" which is when you are older. Confirmation is not automatic, you attend classes and learn about the history of the church and our faith and then make a choice to become confirmed in the Catholic church.

I can also tell you as a catholic that I don't look down on my non-catholic friends and family. They make their own choices - if I forced my religion upon them it wouldn't take. I try to live my life in such a way that it is an example of what I believe as a Christian and a Catholic. I hope by the example that I set that I will present my faith as a large part of the reason that I am the kind of person I am.

my apologies if i generalized that all catholics disown non-catholics, i just used that as a reference from friends i know that has happened to them.

I'll just conclude with this idea, the leaders of Israel had it all wrong, were corrupt, and hated the truth. Would it be so farfetched to say that prior to Jesus 2nd return, God's churches will be the same way?

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i will say again.. i am not judging, just referring to what i have seen. and i think it makes no difference when i joined ATS.... i have been raised in church my entire life.. and i do know the bible very well, and i am educated in the differences in religion.
chanting can be many things.. not just prayer thru song, that is not what i am referring to..im speaking of the prayer that the catholics say repeatedly.. kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven...
yes it does say to say that prayer only, because jesus and god already know what we need..
but it does not say to repeat it and repeat it.
it also says ( along these lines, dont know exact scripture, but im sure one of you do) not to show pics and have statues of that nature. because then it makes the statue seem more important.
this is a honest question, ( because i dont know why this would be) but seriously, why would you need a saint to relay messages to jesus for you? wouldnt you just pray directly to jesus?
and i am not hating anyone in the catholic religion. i am not ingorant or closeminded at all. i just think that its very black and white.. no middle. i also dont understand why catholics would say that any child who is not baptized and god forbid that child die..that they would be stuck in limbo... children are innocent.
not trying to offend anyone... maybe i should have headed this different??
p.s. im not a he
im out
-mindtrip02

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catochism is what it is a religion based on perverse mens Tradition, and not Jesus Christ. this is what I believe God's word has to say about such a religion:

1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.


Brutal, true, and unapologetic!

Limbo is NOT a teaching of the Catholic Church. Purgatory didn't come
from Martin Luther. It is a teaching of the church based on scripture.

All that has been discussed in BTS (where this thread belongs). Purgatory
references in scripture - Heb 12:14, Rev 21:27, Mt 5:26, Luke 12:58-59,
Luke 12:47-48, 2 Mac 12:45, 1 Cor 3:15

The reason Martin Luther rejected the truth of Purgatory was because he didn't
want to end up there. It's just that simple. The guy lead a very perverse life.

Martin Luther Quote - "If the wife is unwilling, then take the maid." So much for
marriage and fidelity. Rape the maid if you can't keep your pants zipped. Yes,
how completely holy of him.

And of course there is the fact that Hitler based a lot of his Jewish-Hate on what
he read from Martin Luther's anti-Jewish writings. More proof of his 'holiness'.
"On the Jews and their Lies" Interesting title eh? Some of Luther's suggestions for
dealing with the jews - the German nobility should drive out the Jews. First they
should “burn their synagogues and raze them to the ground. Then "destroy their
houses”. Next - “completely abolish their right to travel on the roads” and “force
the strong young Jewish men and women to work with flail, axe, spade, distaff
and spindle”.


AGAIN ... ya'll who hate what the Catholic church teaches haven't read the
Catechism nor the online site that I provided. You really should read up and
get the facts before you blast the church for things it's not guilty of.

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