Pennsylvania City Outlaws Illegal Immigrants

The City Council of Hazleton, Pennsylvania has taken the issue of illegal immigration into its own hands, by passing an ordinance that makes it illegal for illegal immigrants to reside there. This law also has provisions to fine landlords who rent to illegals as well as businesses who employ or do business with illegals. Groups sympathetic to illegals have already voiced opposition and promise to sue the City.



I have been wondering when something like this was going to happen. I hope more communities do the same. To me the main thing that this ordinance does is to go after those who house and employ illegals. If enough places pass laws like this one it is going to force the Federal Government to finally do something about the illegal immigration issue.

Illegal immigration is not a racial issue, it is about people who have committed a crime by being in the US illegally. I think that it is absurd that every time I change jobs or have been at a job more than three years I have to show documentation proving that I have a right to work in my own country. I don't care what race or nationality the illegals are or what their reasons are, they have intentionally broken the law. To me this is a bigger problem than them actually being here. They broke the law because they don't agree with it and more to the point they have actually gotten away with it because our politicians don't have the backbone to allow the law to be enforced because they might lose votes. We have a system in place to allow our laws to be changed or amended, use it. Until then enforce the laws that are in place.



[edit on 14/7/2006 by Mirthful Me]

I live just a little over 2 hours away from this town and I am glad to see that this community in Pennsylvania has finally done what many have not had the stones to do, that is simply enforce the law regarding illegal immigrants.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
Groups sympathetic to illegals have already voiced opposition and promise to sue the City.

I’m sorry, is there something I’m missing here? How can these people defend illegal immigrants in court, they shouldn’t even be here in the first place.

[edit on 14-7-2006 by WestPoint23]

It's about time. The question now is will the law hold up in the courts?

There is a sheriff in AZ Using the New Laws in Arizona to round them up and he puts them in tent cities which is something the feds do not do.

They can sue to try to show that the law is discrimnatory against people of Hispanic origin. Their case would be that this law would be applied to illegals from Mexico more than any other group and since most Mexicans are Hispanic, then it must be discriminatory against Hispanics. Of course the fact that most illegal immigrants are from Mexico won't come into it.

Originally posted by shots
It's about time. The question now is will the law hold up in the courts?

There is a sheriff in AZ Using the New Laws in Arizona to round them up and he puts them in tent cities which is something the feds do not do.

I hate to say it but this guy is a crackpot, He does stupid things all the time..... I really wouldnt look to him for guidance.

EX: He makes criminals wear pink, and they live in the desert and live in tents.

As for Hazelton, good for them. Alot of places need to do this.. I think its a good idea. Get legal or get out.

I am not condemming immagrants, but come on alot of the ones that come thru here from mexico are bad, murderers, rapists, and drug dealers.

Time for us to stand and this is a good start.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
I hate to say it but this guy is a crackpot, He does stupid things all the time..... I really wouldnt look to him for guidance.

EX: He makes criminals wear pink, and they live in the desert and live in tents.

As for Hazelton, good for them. Alot of places need to do this.. I think its a good idea. Get legal or get out.

I am not condemming immagrants, but come on alot of the ones that come thru here from mexico are bad, murderers, rapists, and drug dealers.

Time for us to stand and this is a good start.

I've heard about this Sheriff. The reason that the prisioners are dressed in pink is to cut down on the theft of prison issue clothing. He has the belief that prisoners are not to be coddled and should bear some of the expense of their incarceration. I happen to agree with him. There are two men in prison right now who are suing the prison because they are not allowed to have pornagraphic magazines. Maybe if jail is made harsh enough it might become the deterrence factor that it used to be.

This isn't the place for this conversation.. just to let you know.

1 thing about this sheriff is this. That guy puts everyone in a situation, what ever happened to innocent till proven guilty???

Did we forget about that or something.

He puts everyone in that place people waiting for court to from criminals. And most of them people are in there for stupid crap anyway. If he wants to make a difference take over a federal prison and do that stuff. Not a crappy local jail, there is nothing in that.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
This isn't the place for this conversation.. just to let you know.

Actually it is. My main intent in posting this story to ATSNN was to show how soft our society can be on criminals when it suits us politically. I fully expect for Hazleton's law to be declared invalid in court the first time it is tested. While I believe that they are correct and I applaud them for taking a stand on illegal immigration this is going to come down to a simple matter of politics. One of three things will happen here.

One: The law will be struck down by a State or Federal Court.

Two: The City of Hazleton will have its State or Federal funding screwed with untill it agrees to repeal the law.

Three: The law will be left on the books and never enforced.

The reason that I think that this relates to that Sheriff is that he has taken a stand the same as Hazleton has. I have seen news articles referring to him as a concentration camp commander and compairisons with the Nazis, but he has stood by his beliefs and aparently the citizens in his County have supported him enough that he has ben re-elected a few times.



[edit on 14-7-2006 by JIMC5499]

I said I agree with Hazeltown, I however said I didnt agree with that crackpot sherriff's tatics. I dont care who it is. You, Me, God, Bin Laden.

Like i said earlier, Take over a state/fed prision that has criminals that have been tried and have to do the time. Not people are just getting in the system/or waiting for trial. It is stupid and makes no sense.

I forgot to add some links.

This one has to do with this post.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio to save the world...again
The Real "Tent City" run by Sheriff Joe Arpaio
NEWS: Arizona Sheriff Deputies Use Pink Handcuffs

Ohh well I thought there was more about this guy on ATS, appearently not but here is 3 to tide you

The below was originally posted by AceofBase

phoenixnewtimes.com
According to Patrick, the expert found that detention officers:
* Used force on inmates, even after they were completely restrained by handcuffs or restraint chairs. "Examples include use of a stun gun to a prisoner's testicles while in a restraint chair; using stun guns on prisoners in restraint chairs; punching or kicking prisoners in cuffs," Patrick wrote.

* Used more force than situations required. "Examples include punching and kicking inmates in the head, shoving or throwing prisoners against walls to gain control, rather than using standard restraint techniques," Patrick's letter said.

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* Serious dental care can be delayed for more than a month. "On one or more occasions, numerous inmates broke or chipped teeth on rocks mixed in with their food. The jails, despite acknowledging that rocks were in fact contained in food, refused to fix inmates' broken teeth," Patrick writes.

azplace.net
Sheriff Joe and his posse webcasting a jail netcam showing female inmates use the toilet - assistant attorney general Thackeray asked Arpaio to shut the site (crime.com) down after getting complaints from activists who have condemned Jailcam as a violation of privacy rights of people who have not been charged with a crime. - Complaints about the site were collected by Donna Hamm, head of Middle Ground, an inmate rights group. Because some of the women in the holding cell could be juveniles,

[edit on 7/14/2006 by ThichHeaded]

I think this is an excellent idea which all cities and counties should have and enforce. Illegals are breaking the law by their presence in this country and the business owners who employ them are breaking any number of laws and need to pay a stiff penalty.

Yeah, when enough cities and towns make laws like this the Government will step in... And make the laws invalid.

You see, the more illegal aliens there are in America the less jobs have to be shipped to Mexico, saving companies millions. They have the stores and factories here, built, now they just need the slaves to work for little. That won't happen with American workers, and since Big Business owns the Republicans, the American Government will let the illegals stay.

Originally posted by gallopinghordes
I think this is an excellent idea which all cities and counties should have and enforce. Illegals are breaking the law by their presence in this country and the business owners who employ them are breaking any number of laws and need to pay a stiff penalty.

I am suprised during those protests, they didnt try picking up a few thousand then... I would have.

Look why don't we just make Mexico a damn state? That would make things alot simpler. We can justify a propoganda campaign using their governments flagrant corruption in the country. Come on number 51!! Why did we stop addings states to the union anyways? Might as well annex Israel and Puerto Rico as well.

Were you being serious, cause that is funny.

If you were serious sorry man, but you have a point. They got the rigged voting going on just like the US and god knows who else.

So hell why not.. let add them as 51 52 and 53....

Exactly. It may seem odd but lets add up the benefits. We would eliminate the biggest immigration issue we are having. We would beable to justify Israel's budget and whatnot, and the Puerto Ricans would be given more representation in the country as well as the right to vote for the leader of the nation that controls them.

All three of those look like big pluses to me

Originally posted by JIMC5499
Maybe if jail is made harsh enough it might become the deterrence factor that it used to be.

And when was this?

Didn't the Victorian era, when prisons were at their worst also have the highest rate of re-offence?

Originally posted by DYepes
Exactly. It may seem odd but lets add up the benefits. We would eliminate the biggest immigration issue we are having. We would beable to justify Israel's budget and whatnot, and the Puerto Ricans would be given more representation in the country as well as the right to vote for the leader of the nation that controls them.

All three of those look like big pluses to me

Sounds good, but upon further examination the costs of fixing Mexico's physical and monetary infrastructure, plus rooting out all the corruption would be prohibitive. There are a couple other threads about a proposed "north America Union" that might excite you, though.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Sounds good, but upon further examination the costs of fixing Mexico's physical and monetary infrastructure, plus rooting out all the corruption would be prohibitive. There are a couple other threads about a proposed "north America Union" that might excite you, though.

Heaven forbid lets not even go there. Mexico has a poverty level of 40% based on their wages not ours with roughly 107,449,000 estimated population according to the CIA Fact book. Imagine what would happen if we added Mexico's 36 million to our poverty level of 12% based on our wages to our Est. population of 298,444,215. :shk:

Honestly what DYepes thinks is a good idea sucks big time when you get down to the nitty gritty

Sure it sucks if your goal is to be the richest entity in the world and watch whole other nations suffer even when you have the ability to help change that. Hey to each his own though. Personally I am in full support of a united North American continent, but since thats not the topic I will get back what is.

Personally I feel most of the illegals are just the people who have absolutley nothing left to lose and risk getting in here for a better life. Many of these people are or have families or dependants who rely on them for survival that for whatever reason, could not be provided back home. I am not in support of these cities actions, (I say cities because a city in South Florida passed similar ordinances) but I do support their right to act within the law. The local governments have those rights and I will not contradict the freedom to pass those laws with my own personal feelings.

These underground humans are survivors, and will move from one place to the next for whatever it takes to live in this country. For that I applaud them, because I would dare say we could find a handful of individuals on this site with the courage to do what they do if they ever had to face the same situation.