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Do you think Israel will go into Syria?

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posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 06:07 AM
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With the Leaders of Hamas based in Syria, do you think Israel will be stupid enouugh to go into Syria and take out these target's.

They have been in Syrian airspace before.
www.washingtonpost.com... /28/AR2006062801342.html

Khaled Mashal-Hamas Leader.


en.wikipedia.org...

Also just to make you aware if you were not, Mossad tried to assasinate this guy before.




On September 25, 1997 Mashal was the target of an assassination attempt carried out by the Israeli Mossad under orders from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his security cabinet. Ten Mossad agents carrying Canadian passports entered Jordan, where Mashal was living, and injected him with a toxic substance. At the time of the assassination attempt Mashal was considered Hamas' Jordanian branch chief.

Jordanian authorities discovered the assassination attempt and arrested two Mossad agents who had engaged in the attempt. Jordan's King Hussein then demanded that Benjamin Netanyahu turn over the poison antidote, and at first Netanyahu refused. As the incident began to grow in political significance, however, American President Bill Clinton intervened and forced Netanyahu to turn over the antidote


And of course the comments from the two countries that have a "mutual protection pact" ,Iran and Syria.

With the leader of Iran stating.



Iran's president warned Israel against extending its offensive in Lebanon to neighboring Syria, saying such a move would be regarded as an attack on the whole Islamic world and be met with a "crushing response," the official Iranian news agency said Friday


And another part of the problem.



On Thursday, Israel said it had information that Hezbollah guerrillas were trying to transfer the soldiers to Iran, apparently to prevent Israeli troops from rescuing them


With Israel saying this.

Notice the "at the moment".



The head of Israel's northern command, Maj. Gen. Udi Adam, said Wednesday that Israel did not intend "at the moment" to take action against Syria over Hezbollah's capture of the soldiers.


From here.
seattlepi.nwsource.com... n_Syria.html

So thats the question.

Do you think Israel will go into Syria?




[edit on 14-7-2006 by Denied]




posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 06:18 AM
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I think that Israel will do what ever they consider necessary to protect themselves and their State.

Though many are against them, the fact is, they did not start this, but I am certain they will finish it.

Semper



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 06:39 AM
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israeli government seemed to have given up hope of talking, and they are right in saying it would be a slippery slope to give prisoners for hostages.

the fact that israel are sick of these terror groups, and not willing to talk to them, is an indication. but to get rid of the groups they would have to open up more fronts. i doubt simple air strikes would do in syria, and iran, so they would need men on the ground. this must be on there minds.

also given the fact that they need to get these things sorted before iran gets nukes, makes things interesting in the near future.

but lets not forget that what ever happens israel should still exist afterwards, because they have nukes and they have america backing them up.

everyone expects there to be all out war in middle east, but is this the time for it. do they wait and have more rockets fired at them, or do they go on offensive. whether this is the time or not, the middle east one day will have that war, because both sides hate each other so much, and the fact there hatred is based on religious beliefs to makes it worse.

i personally believe they are seriously considering the fact to go into syria, because they know just striking lebanon, really brings no results, and just makes things worse.

also it is interesting that the america propaganda machine, seems to be pushing the ameican people into believeing that they need to attack iran to protect israel. though for america to go into iran, would take a big build up of forces, do they have enough spare and are americans willing to bankroll, another front.

[edit on 14-7-2006 by andy1033]



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 07:02 AM
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It would be crazy to go into Syria, the Syrian army is building up and waiting for an Israeli invasion/strike. Of course, it would be a crazy thing to do. The chances are it will suck in all other countries in the area and problem Europe and America....



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 07:03 AM
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Israel are a small nation, albeit a militarily powerful one. And they arnt stupid. To go the full hog and put boots on the ground in Syria would open Pandoras box and putting the lid back on that box would be very difficult indeed.
Limited air strikes maybe, a full on invasion? i doubt it to be honest.
I find it interesting that people say Israel are tired of terrorism on their soil when their nation was founded out of terrorist attacks against Britain when we were the occupying power in the region way back in the 40's. An interesting Wiki article about it here.
I wonder how the Palestinian terrorists are any different to Irgun? Now don't get me wrong im not condoning Palestinian or Lebanese terrorists but there are certain parallels between the current crop of Palestinian terrorists and the Zionist terrorists of the 30's and 40's. Both fight or fought for and independent homeland, both used terrorist actions to achieve this, both were not beyond using bombings to further their aims.
As the saying goes " one mans Terrorist is another mans freedom fighter "
I think the main difference now opposed to back in the 40's is that Israel can engage in acts like bulldozing Palestinian settlements, assassination of Palastinian HAMAS leaders etc under the guise of national security now.
Can anyone really sit back and say that Israel over the years hasn't repressed and beaten down Palestinians in their own homeland? Can we really blame them for using the same methods that the Israelis themselves used to gain independence and freedom from British rule?
As they say, you reap what you sow.

EDIT:Edited for Typos and Grammar.

[edit on 14-7-2006 by Janus]



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 07:11 AM
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yep the problem why nobody speaks out about israel, is they will be labeled "ANTI SEMETIC". peoples lifes are ended just for saying something wrong about israel. thats why the general public have been conditioned to really not speak about what israel has done.

one thing not in israels hands, is the amount of time they have before iran becomes a nuke power. how long before we have this war in middle east, because most people know it will come in time. how can you have two peoples hate each other so much, and doing such things to each other for ever. sooner or later it has to be addressed.


Originally posted by infinite
It would be crazy to go into Syria, the Syrian army is building up and waiting for an Israeli invasion/strike. Of course, it would be a crazy thing to do. The chances are it will suck in all other countries in the area and problem Europe and America....


how else does israel stop these terror groups. they know that bombing lebanon, will only make the situation worse. all the terrorists are just going to run away for now, but they will be back.

there is a method to there madness. just because you think it is wrong, israel need to think 4 or 5 steps ahead of these people. most people reply to these threads only thinking about today and tomorrow, israel has to think long into the future. this situation cannot go on like this.


[edit on 14-7-2006 by andy1033]



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 07:29 AM
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I doubt Israel could do this alone. As i said they are a small nation with a small population. If they invaded both Syria and Lebanon could they hold and occupy those countries? Would they have the will? Would they even want to?
Any quick in and out invasion would only make things worse in the long run, it would breed more hatred and more resentment and produce even more Islamic militancy in the region, as if there wasn't enough of that there already.
Then there is Iran, they seem to be the wild card in all this, would they sit back and let this happen? I doubt it. But what good can they do with Iraq sitting between them and Syria? Cant sent Aircraft over to help, they would be shot down over Iraq. Cant send troops over in any significant numbers again for the same reason, how do they get there? They could use Missiles but then they risk invasion themselves from Iraq by US forces.
What they can do though is pour money and materials into that region and pay for the training of even more terrorists, even more Islamic militancy.
I shudder at the prospect, i really don't know where any of this is going but how ever it ends wont be pretty.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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What they can do though is pour money and materials into that region and pay for the training of even more terrorists, even more Islamic militancy.


You are right.
either that or full scale war.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 07:43 AM
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Just remember one thing though if Syria get involved, Israel with just Bomb the crap out of their country with their airforce, they do not need to send in ground forces.

Just use their planes...

Israel is like a untamed lion, ready to show the world its Roar and it is about time it done this.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
Just remember one thing though if Syria get involved, Israel with just Bomb the crap out of their country with their airforce, they do not need to send in ground forces.

Just use their planes...

Israel is like a untamed lion, ready to show the world its Roar and it is about time it done this.


yep but israels objective is to stop the terror groups, just bombing with planes do not stop these groups, just makes thing worse. they will need ground troops(syria will know this), and all that comes with that.

i bet the computers at the pentagon are working overtime, working out all these scenarios.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 08:09 AM
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There is one massive difference between Israel's actions and that of the various antagonists in the region. Despite the regrettable back-and-forth over the years, Israel did, in fact, make some major unilateral concessions in an attempt to stop the violence. They withdrew the IDF, removed their citizens from large tracts of land and attempted to normalize relations. All in the interest of establishing peace. It was hugely painful for Israel and caused alot iof internal conflict in that country. Despite the effort it didn't work.

So what is this massive difference? Israel wishes to cohabitate in the region with these antagonist nations but several of these nations/groups hold openly stated goals of eliminating Israel altogether and are also openly working to acquire WMD's. Exactly what is Israel supposed to do under these situations? They are subjected to incessant rocket attacks into civilian areas and then two separate border incursions resulting in the abduction of Israeli citizens and soldiers. Exactly what do ou think the US would do if Cuba was sponsoring a group that repeatedly sent suicide bombers into Miami. Then began lobbing rockets into Miami residential neighborhoods. And finally snuck into Miami and abducted military personnel demanding that we exchange Cuban prisoners for the soldiers? What would we do?

As far as Syria goes, I think that if the IDF knows where Hezbollah targets are within Syria they are very likely to attack them. Boots on the ground in Syria? Doubtful in the extreme (with the exception of special ops forces). This situation is somewhat reminiscent of Vietnam where the VC would cross into Thailand and Cambodia knowing we couldn't (or at least were not supposed to) follow them.

Israel is in a very difficult situation. They know both Iran and Syria are funding and supplying Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran has repeatedly called for the utter elimination of Israel. Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons. What will the situation be like after Iran achieves that goal?



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 08:11 AM
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Thets look at the past relationship over the last several years as an example.



Wednesday's flyover was the second time Israel has buzzed Assad's summer palace. In August 2003, warplanes reportedly flew so low that windows in the palace shattered. At the time, Israel said the flyover was aimed at pressuring Assad to dismantle Palestinian militant groups based in his country.


Seems they like this tactic for what its worth.



In October 2003, an Israeli warplane bombed an Islamic Jihad training base deep in Syria. It was the first attack on Syrian soil in more than two decades


Do we need anymore proof that aeroplanes on their own are not enough.

And this.



The Syrian military rarely fires back on Israeli forces. The two militaries clashed in Lebanon in the 1980s during that country's civil war.


And finally this.



In 1996, Israeli warplanes raided positions in Beirut in response to rocket fire by the militant group Hezbollah. During those raids, Israel said Syrian air defenses fired on its planes, so the Israeli air force demolished a Syrian base.


From here.
www.guardian.co.uk...

So i think Syria does not want to be drawn into a war.
What about Iran?

[edit on 14-7-2006 by Denied]



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Syria has Iran backing them. Iran might have Russia and China. Draw Syria and Israel into conflict and you might wind up drawing in the big guns (pun intended).



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 08:36 AM
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Im just getting through this thread, but i feel its pretty important to have a link here, it gives very good information on their militry.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Actually its quite ironic that Planeman say's this.



And who are they defending against… Israel. All the defenses point to Israel. The Turkish and Iraqi borders are almost deserted in the way of military but the whole Southwest corner is one gigantean defensive position. Do they really think Israel is going to invade????


This was written in June'06.

[edit on 14-7-2006 by Denied]



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 04:34 PM
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So does anyone think Israel will strike Syria?
Are they next. at least the targets of Hezbollah in Damascus?



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 04:45 PM
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First off I do not know what this Iranian leader is talking about. Israel can decimate both Syria and Iran. And no China & Russia will not fight any war for Iran. Especially not against Israel with the International community then supporting them if China & Russia attacked them. Israel could inflict damage on both Russia's and China's army, no doubt about it. The only reason why this would bring International response is because of oil.

Personally I want Israel to bomb Iran's reactors, and kill its president. Because the president is a religious fanatic and likes causing problems.

And I truly believe Israel will get into a conflict with Syria and Iran, defeating their armies, and destroying Iran's nuclear capabilities, or the International community will agree with the US on the Iranian situation.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 04:47 PM
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I do not believe that Israel will go into Syria as an invading force . . . but if nothing comes out of what is going on in Lebanon I can see Israel bombing the heck out of Syria.


Right now is a lot of talks about blaming Iran for all the problems with Hezbollah so it could very well escalate into targeting Iran also.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Personally I want Israel to bomb Iran's reactors, and kill its president. Because the president is a religious fanatic and likes causing problems.

And I truly believe Israel will get into a conflict with Syria and Iran, defeating their armies, and destroying Iran's nuclear capabilities, or the International community will agree with the US on the Iranian situation.


seeing as iran isnt leb and palistain
it and syria and can bite back at Israel
israel bomb iran they can bomb the ***** out of israel
hopefully they will lob enough and blow israel reactor up aswell.

me personaly i hope that non of this happens and israel doesnt do the retarded thing and escilate this any further by attacking a nation that has the fire power to flatten them aswell




posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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The Turkish and Iraqi borders are almost deserted in the way of military


Remember what Planeman said.
If things kick off, the Iraqi border is left wide open, i doubt they will do much, except defend for now.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 04:59 PM
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The situation is too fluid right now to be able to determine what syria will do, I don't think that they've actually invaded Lebanon with troops yet, so its a stretch to say that they will invade syria anytime soon. Its possible that the yehudis will just bomb any targets from the air and leave it at that.

Also, why would it be stupid for isreal to invade syria?

They'd wipe the floor with them.



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