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Originally posted by Mouth
What I meant by that is, the Nazi version of their "divine plan" was so badly constructed, that it was doomed to fail. Genocide does not work for world domination, history has proven than many times over.
Don't get me wrong, I would give my life for my country if it meant saving many more lives of my fellow Americans. But, most people don't fight... they are the ones that are being protected by the people that do fight. If WW 3 does come out of what is going on in the middle east, then I would have no quams with protecting what I know and believe is right.
I am not a peace love and tranquility kind of person, I just know for a fact how trivial alot of the reasons are for going to war. Especially in our modern times.
No. Maybe not enlightened, but I am sure you are quite up-to-date when concerning the evolution bit
Originally posted by Mouth
Genocide does not work for world domination, history has proven than many times over.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Genocidal tactics are probably the only thing that can form an Empire and the like. Thats how its most often worked. The Spanish global empire was held together by genocidal tactics upon the native south americans, the roman empire was so specific in their ravages that they even made names for different portions of it, come into a region, and kill every tenth man in the barbarous tribe, and you've got 'decimation'. The Ottomans committed genocide against the armenians and greeks, who were their ownly antagonistic neighbhors. The Mongols wiped out entire cities. The japanese were able to control east asia by nearly doing the same. Only the britihs empire didn't engage in those kinds of tactics in general. And even they, when faced with an insurgency guerilla war in south africa, hauled every Boer civilian they could into Concentration Camps, which had themselves been invented by the Spanish in its last grasps at empire.
If the nazis hadn't been defeated militarily, and had focused their genocidal tactics on the territories that weren't cooperative (rather than kiling their own citizens, or polish jews who weren't resisting anyway), there'd be Nazi Empire over europe to this day. Just look at how much difficulty the US is having with Iraq, and how 'peaceful' things were when Saddam with his genocidal practices, was.
Originally posted by JackJuice
I would like to play devil's advocate and say that if it wasn't for war this world would indeed be very different. Infact we would probably be very primative technologically. Now i don't think anyone here thinks that war or death is a good thing, but lets face the facts, the huge technological boom in america and across the world in the 20th century was due to war. The cold war for the second half of that century. Let me be a little more specific, as a film student i was taught a lot about film lenses and such. In our history class we found out that a lot of the technology for these great lenses that allow us to make movies today were developed by the military to spy on Russia. Another example is the computer. All of the resources that went into developing computers early on and throughout today was done for what? So that America would have a military advantage over the rest of the world. War and Art have been the driving force of man kind for our entire existance, and you can't expect something like that to change over night. Maybe and i repeat maybe someday that will change but not any time soon. In fact the best way for humanity to unite as one is to introduce an external threat or enemy. Like hostile aliens.