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Iran Menace: Surface-Air Missiles
How good are Iranian air defenses ?
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Sources and references
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Sources and references
Originally posted by Techsnow
I'm trying to digest all this, amazing info.
I really don't know what to make of it so I'm trying to compare it. How much threat would you guess Iran holds to U.S. air compared to say Syria? Would you say Syria has more SAM than Iran?
Also would you say that the Rapier is better than the Syrian SA-3? They both hold 4 missles so it would be hard guess which holds more weight.
So I leave my questions to the expert on this issue since personally I wont be a fool and claim knowledge on a subject I am just now diving into.
Also planeman, do you work for the U.S. government?
Originally posted by planeman
Iqnox,
The argument that Iran might have hundreds of extra launchers which she can whip out in times of trouble is not all that credible. SAM batteries like Hawk require extensive infrastructure even when redeployed away from fixed sites.
Originally posted by planeman
Crew need training etc. And if it's in someone's garden shed then it's not ready for operation and the crew aren't practicing. Radars need to be elevated to get good coverage, particularly of low altitude threats. That means building radar position ramps (as seen in the google earth imagery) or a major modification to provide a mast mounted radar which there is no evidence of. Hawk SAM batteries generally need a search radar plus towing vehicle, a fire control radar plus towing vehicle, a command shelter (often towed, could be a tent but either way needs a vehicle to move it), generators (perhaps three) plus towing vehicles, reload vehicles, cable vehicles, towing vehicles for the launch trailers etc.
Originally posted by planeman
There is no doubt about it, Iran does deploy many Air Defenses to fixed positions many of which are easily found on Google Earth. These positions aren't all fakes, or if they are then Iran is even less defended than it appears, not the other way around.
Originally posted by planeman
As for the Hawk being locally produced. I don't doubt that. But radars, command encoders etc etc are all system critical components which are less easy to reverse engineer. I haven't seen any reports that Iran has intergrated new radars or replaced the command components - in fact if they undertook such a modification they might as well start from scratch.
Originally posted by planeman
And if Iran is so successful in reverse engineering the Hawk why has it started license producing the generally less capable HQ-2 (SA-2) system? - it doesn't really make sense. Then again the HQ-2 seems less frequent on Google Earth than you would expect if it was truly being produced in huge numbers. In fact there are more empty HQ-2 sites than active ones visible.
Originally posted by planeman
Re HQ-7, do you have any photographic evidence of the system in Iranian service? Is it shelter mounted or self-propelled. And again, in capability terms the HQ-7 fills the same role as Rapier - which goes against the concept that the Iranian Rapier fleet is as healthy as you infer.
The following is a list of the radar stations that were established:
Tehran (first British built mobile radar installed in Tehran-Doushan Tapeh)
Karadj (American radar)Purchased from USA" Westinghouse Co." & was installed by Westinghouse
Tabriz (British radar)
Baboolsar (British radar)
Mashhad (British radar) Purchased from England " Marcony Co." & was installed by Marcony
ShahrAbad (40KM NW of Bojnoord - British radar) Purchased from England " Marcony Co." & was installed by Marcony
Dezful (Dehlooran - American radar) Given to IIAF by USA as Military Assistance Program (MAP)under project "Spellout"
Hamadan (Soobashi - American radar) Given to IIAF by USA as Military Assistance Program (MAP)under project "Spellout"
Bushehr British mobile radar, later becoming American radar. Given to IIAF by USA as Military Assistance Program (MAP)under project "Peace Ruby"
Isfahan (American radar)
Bandare Abbas (American radar) Given to IIAF by USA as Military Assistance Program (MAP)under project "Peace Ruby"
Bandare Jask (American radar) Given to IIAF by USA as Military Assistance Program (MAP)under project "Peace Ruby"
Kish Island (American radar) Given to IIAF by USA as Military Assistance Program (MAP)under project "Peace Ruby"
Chah-Bahar (Incomplete Air Force, Navy & Army military complex - designated to have American Radar) Purchased from USA" Westinghouse Co." & was going to be installed by Westinghouse
***Sat. March 9-1979 ( 19 Esfand 1357) "Associated Press"
Col. Seyed Ahmad Madani Defense Minister of Islamic Republic announced : "Contracts of the Chah Bahar Base project Has Been Cancelled !!!!. ( Notice that cancellation of the project came only 27 Days after Islamic Regime came to power).
The IIAF also purchased 8 GPS-11 the American Moraine-Band radar Mobile System that consisted of: Westinghouse AN/TPS-43 Radar & Tropospheric scatter (E layer) Communication System as a backup to the fixed radars. In addition to the aforementioned fixed sites there were also the following mobile radar sites "Under construction":
Lengeh Near Bandare Lengeh
Taheri Near Bandare Taheri
Kohkilooyeh Near Behbahan
Abdanaan Near Dezful
Kerend Near Ghasre Shirin
In 1979 more than 90% of the job was completed.
All these 19 radar sites and facilities were built in less than 15 years. (1962-1977). While in the 23 years of Islamic regime, between 1979 and 2001, not even 1 site has been built!
Each radar site had the capacity to house 3000 to 7000 personnel and their families, and consisted of the following facilities:
Communications Sites which provided the state of the art communications network throughout the sites, the radar stations and the high command.
Anti-aircraft Hawk & Rapier ground to air missile sites,
"Hawk" ground to air missile system with its control and guidance system AN/TSQ-73 for high altitude targets and
"Rapier" ground to air Missile system for Low altitude targets.
Air Defense radars were linked to their respective defensive Hawk and Rapier Anti Aircraft missiles radar systems.
Anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) Urlikan Guns
Headquarter Buildings
Guard housing, support facilities, and motor pool
Housing community, BOQ and guest houses.
Banks, commissary, theatres, and schools.
Officer's, Homafar's and NCOs Club.
Medical and sports facilities.
Landing strip / airport, ATC and their associated facilities