Just to say how great Two Steps Forward
post was. Completely agreed with everything. Anyway here's my post.
Originally posted by Nygdan
The nazis were only able to bulk up germany's economy by taking it over, running it centrally, and making it a war economy, thats not a
sensible economic policy, its a foolish one.
Well they turned a wreck into a super power in about 8 years (they only had twelve in total). They very nearly won the war several times, most notably
with their invasion of Russia which if it hadn’t been for the Russian winter they would have conquered for sure; especially as they were only about
2 miles from Moscow when the winter set in.
It was Hitler himself, rather than his economic or military ideology that cost him and Germany the War. He made many mistakes like ordering the
invasion of Russia when there wasn’t any immediate need and the winter would set in and German tanks couldn’t operate, he shunned work on the
atomic bomb on the grounds it was “a Jewish science” he interfered with the Normandy evacuation with the result that hundreds of thousands of
allied soldiers escaped who otherwise wouldn’t have, he demanded
that instead of bombing key military sites like our RAF bases the Germans
air force concentrate on bombing London in the belief it would cause a anti-war backlash against Jewish Churchill, when instead all it did was
strengthen our resolve and make Churchill probably one of the most popular, most celebrated leaders ever.
1. In short World War Two happened because the Germans let themselves elect an extremist party, and there are many reasons for this.
2. And the extremist party they elected was the Nazi party in large part thanks to Hitler’s brutality as well as organisational, and verbal
3. Ironically ultimately Germany loses the war because by heading the Nazi party Hitler was able to infer with the Generals, when (whatever his skills
as a dictator) he was a very bad military man, and would perhaps have seen this if he didn’t have such deluded self-image in this respect.
You can go along all you like about how much Germany was in a state after the war. Well of course it was, they had just been defeated in a war they
had been unable to give up (despite the efforts of some very brave senior military men who tried to assonate Hitler) because Hitler was the sort of
psychopath who would refuse to acknowledge defeat, until it arrived outside his bunker.
However the state Germany ended up at was the fault of not
the fault of the Nazi party, the military strength of the countries around Germany,
the mineral resources of Germany and these countries, or a lack of German industry, or a lack of German productivity. The credit for loosing the war
is split between the extreme bravery of our soldiers, the co-operation of Europe and the United States, and most importantly of all the arrogant,
deterministic, and psychopathic personality of Hitler, (and maybe a few others he had selected to be very close to him).
and they wanted to turn all of germany into a totalitarian dehumanized state. It was a patehtic attempt.
No they succeeded, it was totalitarian, though I would describe it as militarised as opposed to merely dehumanised (there’s a fine line between the
two, but still quite a difference).
And it was an efficient state too (far more than Russia or even the U.S GDP per head).
They acheived nothing other than the ruination of germany
No (as said) there are many times when if it hadn’t been for the interference of Hitler, or the extraordinary bravely-brilliance of individuals
Germany might have won the war, or even the path to world domination. To have come close is still an achievement regardless of whether that
achievement was successfully realised.
The only thing in this thread that is “pathetic” Nygdan
is you’re inappropriate use of that word to masks a poor understanding (though I
dare not say knowledge) of WW2 history. I mean I know it’s fashionable to slander people like Hitler, but it’s so adolescent unless you make the
What Hitler did was obviously a disaster for Germany and Worldwide humanity, and although from you’re posts you obviously know this to be true (from
e.g. before and after comparisons) you still retain a limited understanding as to why. And it’s really quite an interesting knowledge to have
(though it makes you feel sad as it makes all that suffering so much more real just than pictures without much of logical documented story).
“Frightening” is a far better description of German Nazis than “pathetic”; although being better, and through the rules of logic, it isn’t
so loosely usable. But at least it makes more sense.
Hell if the Nazis (distinction from Hitler) had actually been as pathetic as you make out then either only say a million people would have died During
World War 2 (as opposed to over 50) or that military, and stable society that manned and maintained it in the real war would have, to have been given
out of the sky by a certain God.