Originally posted by curiousity
For the posters who say Islam is a 'gentle' religion, not one that advocates killing and terrorizing others, here is a quote from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,

Please explain why he speaks for all muslims, especially considering that many muslims speak out against him and his ideals.

Ahmadinejad is a shi'ite, that alone shows that he can't speak for all of islam, any more than a catholic can speak for all christianity.

And, of course, ahmadenijad is not a religious scholar, religious leader, or religious officer, he's a fanatic, but that counts for nothing.

[edit on 14-7-2006 by Nygdan]

I think that the Muslim religion isnt about killing BUT, when it becomes a fanatical extremist ideal, then the killing comes in. Some figures over in the Middle East are very fanatical about there ideals just like some christians here. Ive been a christian all of my life but sometimes people go overboard. A school that i went to for a short time was fanatical in a way. A teacher said to me "God wants you to dress a certain way" Meaning same colored shirts tucked in with khakis. Same thing with Mahoumad ( sry for spelling). There is a huge difference between Fanaticism and Religion.

Originally posted by donwhite


1) Who says Ahmadinejad speaks for Islam?

Answer: _The problem is that Ahmadinejad seems to think he speaks for all islam .

2) How many times in the Hebrew Bible did God command His people to “utterly” destroy their enemies? Do you call that a “gentle” religion?

Answer: _many_ times (Note: Bible written by primitive people as much as 3,000 years ago.).

3) How many Huguenots (Protestants) were burned to death in France on St. Bartholomew Day of August, 1572?
Answer: Approximately 15,000.

4) Contemporary accounts report bodies in the rivers for months afterwards, so that no one would eat fish. Pope Gregory XIII's reaction was jubilant: all the bells of Rome pealed for a public day of thanksgiving, the guns of the Castel Sant'Angelo sounded a joyous salute, a special commemorative medal was struck to honor the occasion, and Gregory commissioned Giorgio Vasari to paint a mural depicting the Massacre, which is in the Vatican.

Gulp! That does not sound like a “gentle” religion to me, Mr C.

So what’s the point of this hokum that Islam is not “gentle?”

Let's see, 1572 is still about 1,000 years ahead of where the radical muslims seem to want to take the world - based on their laws of circa 650 AD. You're trying to compare what radical muslims are doing now with what radical Christians did 500 or more years ago. You really can't see a problem with that?

---- Level Playing Field ----

IMO only an apologist for the radical muslims would fail to understand why your reasoning is faulty.


[edit on 7/14/2006 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by Nygdan
Please explain why he speaks for all muslims, especially considering that many muslims speak out against him and his ideals.
Ahmadinejad is a shi'ite, that alone shows that he can't speak for all of islam, any more than a catholic can speak for all christianity.
And, of course, ahmadenijad is not a religious scholar, religious leader, or religious officer, he's a fanatic, but that counts for nothing.

Well said..

I'd also like to point out to the thread starter, that there are MANY threads with this same topic. It is old news. It really is. It would also be more professional if you started threads without adding on closed minded opinions. Thanks.

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by Nygdan
Please explain why he speaks for all muslims, especially considering that many muslims speak out against him and his ideals.
Ahmadinejad is a shi'ite, that alone shows that he can't speak for all of islam, any more than a catholic can speak for all christianity.
And, of course, ahmadenijad is not a religious scholar, religious leader, or religious officer, he's a fanatic, but that counts for nothing.

Well said..

I'd also like to point out to the thread starter, that there are MANY threads with this same topic. It is old news. It really is. It would also be more professional if you started threads without adding on closed minded opinions. Thanks.

Since I'm the thread starter, I'll add, "what's your point?" to your first closed minded statement. Not like it isn't the same thing with a 100 other threads.

2ndly, what opinion did I post that you refer to? Is it that I said this was for those who believe the lie that Islam is a peaceful religion? Is that the one that pricked you?
Or were you just altogether mistaken?

The guy is a certifed nutter, who belives he speaks for god and the entire muslim world. He is forever spouting off about wiping irsael of the map, and how his country has the rigth to nuclear power when he really wants a Nuke.

If he isnt careful he is likely to come unstuck,and up having his own people take him down( ok im sure they will be encourgaed to relvolt, as they did back in the 70's when the Sha come to power, and we all know who back the sha and why)

iran is at a crossroads, it can conitue being a pain to the world abcking terriost, and pissing the US and europe off, irgnoring the UN. or maybe just maybe play ball let the world see they arent delveoping a secret nuke progam and that they want to be a valued memebr of the international communtiy and as long as this guy is in power, iran is heading for an invasion or just being bomb backed to the stone age by irsael and the US

the problem with the extremists is they see life after death as better than living. this is the main problem, whether they get this truly from the religion they follow, i don't really know.

does the islamic religion actually say that they will be rewarded in death for fighting for there cause.